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January Wrasslin' |OT| Big Month John
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FallingEdge
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Bluekaveli
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Professor Beef
Banned
Fuck Triple H Bret Hart.
What a swerve bro.
UberTag
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They're just laying the groundwork for a prosperous return for Jeff Hardy.
Professor Beef
Banned
They're more alike than either of them will admit.
excelsiorlef
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Bret Hart even in beating Steve Austin put him over at Wrestlemania....
HHH did things like kicking out of all of Booker T's finishers and then pinning him after a single pedigree and after 30 seconds of being too wounded to make the cover...
Professor Beef
Banned
Bret is HHH with less power.
excelsiorlef
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Speaking of Bret and HHH
Bret summed him up perfectly.
Bret summed him up perfectly.
Feel like Bret is talking to a mirror or something. Bret probably had the same amount of top drawer matches as HHH did.
UberTag
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Considering that Bret had a 15-year career in the big leagues (1985-Early 2000) and Triple H has had a 23-year career in the big leagues (1994-Now) and had booking authority to pick his opponents for roughly half of that tenure I'm not entirely certain that's saying much for Hunter.
excelsiorlef
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Bret got stuck in blackhole WCW while Hunter was given the reigns of the fresh off Rock/Austin Attitude era...
And that quote was about wrestling talent not drawing power.
Hart/Austin is frequently up for greatest match of all time, HHH doesn't even have one in contention for top 20 (other than maybe the WM XX match which you know also had HBK and Benoit in it)
Sweeney Tom
Banned
If anything it's far more damning that when Bret said that quote is really irrelevant. It fits for any era of HHH, even up to today
Top drawer as in excellent to watch match, not top drawing I meant!
Sure, Austin/Bret had great chemistry as did Bret and Owen and when working with the GOAT in HBK, but after that, not much stands out. Lots of good matches and probably had a higher bar of higher quality due to the lack of stinkers, but if I shove on the Network to watch a particular match, I'd probably pick a HHH one rather than a Bret one.
To be fair, if we were talking drawing power, I'd probably have said Bret anyway due to the nuclear heat with the Hart foundation.
Professor Beef
Banned
Bret put himself in that blackhole because he was such a huge mark for himself.
excelsiorlef
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Hart/Benoit Tribute to Owen Match and Mayhem match
Every other Hart/Austin match
Hart carrying Kevin Nash to probably his only great match of his career.
Hart Foundation vs the British Bulldogs (pick one)
Hart vs Perfect (Pick one)
Hart vs Bulldog at Wimbley
Hart vs 1-2-3 Kid 20 minutes on Raw
Hart vs Piper Mania 8
Vince gave Bret a contract and then couldn't honour it.
Bluekaveli
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"Mark man."
BewareTheBatsie
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There's always a chance they picked the names themselves since I'm pretty sure most people in NXT are allowed to chose their ring names instead of being given one (although I am curious why people like Hideo and Asuka were introduced with their old names but then given new ones). Hero might be an exception since he was an FCW guy so he might have just been saddled with the name Kassius Ohno.
Professor Beef
Banned
Bret refused to job in his home country because of his huge ego. Even Undertaker had enough of his shit.
Chasing ratings as though they were the most important thing above all else.
I do surely hope no company makes that mistake nowadays...
To be fair to WCW, it made sense. Revenue from PPVs was not allocated to WCW, it was allocated to Turned Home Video or some shit. So a PPV could be wildly successful and it wouldn't add to the profit.
excelsiorlef
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Bret refused because he hated Shawn Micheals (who refused to job to Bret) and because Vince gave Hart creative control in his contract....
This all comes back to Vince... Bret had a chance to get better money back in 96 but stayed and then Vince was like can't pay you so Bret took less in 97 to go to WCW.
Don't offer contracts you can't afford.
Dunno, feel like Vince came out the winner in that exchange.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
"Was"
excelsiorlef
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The correct retort would have been.
That's fine... you still can't blame Bret for it though...
Bret is legit a class act. He was at the Memorial Cup in Ottawa in 1999 and came down from his press box to not only sign autographs for the few kids who knew he was up there but gave me personally like 10 minutes of his time just to talk about wrestling and stuff, he didn't have to do that but I'll never forget it.
I usually love you Menome but this is a bad post
Ever since he came back as a heel, I can't unsee it.
British Monsoon
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HashtagLapsed
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I can't really say I ever expected to see Mortiis references in this thread.
FlammableD
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oneofthose
Banned
didnt realize bret hart is only 4 years younger than hogan, always thought he was around the same age as shawn. no wonder vince wanted to get out of the long term contract with him.
excelsiorlef
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His contract was also for post wrestling, a behind the scenes agent job and stuff like that.
shaowebb
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To be fair Mortis was fun in the ring in spite of his gimmick being way too loud. Kanyon could just flat out wrestle and in the gimmick he was supposed to act aggressive for stuff like hope spots that he'd snuff out. He used to catch guys going for dives into Northern Lights Suplexes and roll out out of the corner and the second folks would run into the post he'd snap around with a roundhouse kick. I got some shit gifs of him kind of hitting these spots on Glacier and Booker T, but I could've sworn I seen some of the lucha-jobbers take some really hard ones of these spots and they just looked great.
When he'd dodge the turnbuckle the kick would go to the back of their head and not the front but it was essentially one of those. Kind of weird how his spots started becoming everyone else's stuff. I'd seen him do Diamond Cutters, Electric Chair Drops, lots of spinning moves (F5s, spins into sitout face plants...crazy shit),Fame-assers, DVDs and Attitude Adjustments...fuck I think I've even seen him hit the Awful Waffle before.
Guy just was a flatout craftsman in the ring. I've always been sad he never got pushed and that he eventually committed suicide struggling with his homosexuality.
TarpitCarnivore
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Didn't help his legacy that his whole reason for being in WCW was the god awful Glacier
TarpitCarnivore
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For those of you who are critiquing Hero's look just watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww0Ps3joM4E
giancarlo123x
Banned
Anyone fat shaming the dude can get the fuck outta here, still works better than most shredded people. I'm glad wwe noticed they made a mistake letting him go last time, he will do great things.
PHOENIXZERO
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No way WWE makes it successfully in Japan, especially against New Japan, WWE would be a lot better off with a partnership because they ain't going to muscle out a Japanese company in Japan.
Triple H's sledge hammer is one of the dumbest gimmick weapons to ever grace WWE, you can't use it properly because it'd kill someone and every time he hit some one it was either a hand covered gut shot or some blatantly bullshit blow to the head. It's just try hard Triple H trying to look bad ass. It's even dumber than the other weapon gimmicks, even those ones that were made of rubber, styrofoam or some other material other than what they'd actually be made from.
Fuck ya'll Mortis was awesome.
Better name than Tommy End.
I would be okay with this. I was on the Layla train from day one of the stupid Divas Search.
Triple H's sledge hammer is one of the dumbest gimmick weapons to ever grace WWE, you can't use it properly because it'd kill someone and every time he hit some one it was either a hand covered gut shot or some blatantly bullshit blow to the head. It's just try hard Triple H trying to look bad ass. It's even dumber than the other weapon gimmicks, even those ones that were made of rubber, styrofoam or some other material other than what they'd actually be made from.
Fuck ya'll Mortis was awesome.
Better name than Tommy End.
It'd just be 50 pictures of Layla
I would be okay with this. I was on the Layla train from day one of the stupid Divas Search.
Dangerblade
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How have I never seen that spot before? Awesome.
What about Men At Shoot?
HashtagLapsed
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To be fair Mortis was fun in the ring in spite of his gimmick being way too loud. Kanyon could just flat out wrestle and in the gimmick he was supposed to act aggressive for stuff like hope spots that he'd snuff out. He used to catch guys going for dives into Northern Lights Suplexes and roll out out of the corner and the second folks would run into the post he'd snap around with a roundhouse kick. I got some shit gifs of him kind of hitting these spots on Glacier and Booker T, but I could've sworn I seen some of the lucha-jobbers take some really hard ones of these spots and they just looked great.
When he'd dodge the turnbuckle the kick would go to the back of their head and not the front but it was essentially one of those. Kind of weird how his spots started becoming everyone else's stuff. I'd seen him do Diamond Cutters, Electric Chair Drops, lots of spinning moves (F5s, spins into sitout face plants...crazy shit),Fame-assers, DVDs and Attitude Adjustments...fuck I think I've even seen him hit the Awful Waffle before.
Guy just was a flatout craftsman in the ring. I've always been sad he never got pushed and that he eventually committed suicide struggling with his homosexuality.
I agree with you, but we are talking about a different Mortis/Mortiis. I was referring to Menome's post.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
To be fair Mortis was fun in the ring in spite of his gimmick being way too loud. Kanyon could just flat out wrestle and in the gimmick he was supposed to act aggressive for stuff like hope spots that he'd snuff out. He used to catch guys going for dives into Northern Lights Suplexes and roll out out of the corner and the second folks would run into the post he'd snap around with a roundhouse kick. I got some shit gifs of him kind of hitting these spots on Glacier and Booker T, but I could've sworn I seen some of the lucha-jobbers take some really hard ones of these spots and they just looked great.
When he'd dodge the turnbuckle the kick would go to the back of their head and not the front but it was essentially one of those. Kind of weird how his spots started becoming everyone else's stuff. I'd seen him do Diamond Cutters, Electric Chair Drops, lots of spinning moves (F5s, spins into sitout face plants...crazy shit),Fame-assers, DVDs and Attitude Adjustments...fuck I think I've even seen him hit the Awful Waffle before.
Guy just was a flatout craftsman in the ring. I've always been sad he never got pushed and that he eventually committed suicide struggling with his homosexuality.
Those are awesome GIFs (holy shit that counter into Northern Lights), but they're talking about Mortiis (note the two i's).