Japanese third-party support for Xenon launch...and beyond ???
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That's a pretty fucking huge if.
Ho btw, I expect to see a lot more titles from Japan being released on both Xbox 2 and PS3 (and Revolution if it's still a "standard" console and not something very different) next gen. If a console manufacturer does not actually pay for the exclusivity I think most very high profile titles will get a multiplatform treatment.
As much as I disliked most multiplatform titles this gen, I think this could be not so bad next gen, with the differences of power between each system being far less noticeable than what we have now.
I hope some of the games designers out there will stop being stupid (yes Yuji Naka, you are a moron to actually want to release online games EXCLUSIVELY on the gamecube, IDOT !) and stop sticking to a platform just because they like the manufacturer better than another. If Nintendo pays you to make an online title on Gamecube, go for it. Otherwise just think about where the money is and stop doing politics. Even from Sega, that was an incredibly stupid move.
All of this IMHO, of course.
As much as I disliked most multiplatform titles this gen, I think this could be not so bad next gen, with the differences of power between each system being far less noticeable than what we have now.
I hope some of the games designers out there will stop being stupid (yes Yuji Naka, you are a moron to actually want to release online games EXCLUSIVELY on the gamecube, IDOT !) and stop sticking to a platform just because they like the manufacturer better than another. If Nintendo pays you to make an online title on Gamecube, go for it. Otherwise just think about where the money is and stop doing politics. Even from Sega, that was an incredibly stupid move.
All of this IMHO, of course.
Blimblim said:
multiplatform games (i'm assuming) will still likely have the playstation as lead... and with the ps3 likely the most powerfull, this should also be good for multiplatform games (they wont be held back like many have this gen)
Here's the part I don't understand:
Why are you people so much after the "Japanese developers move to Xenon exclusively!" mantra?
What does it change? Why you obviously couldn't be happy with a new Square game on PS3 but moving it to Xbox2 suddenly makes it a hype-worthy title? Why do you hate (or start hating right now - vide Sony is doomed!) PS3 and Revolution so much?
And my biggest problem:
Why are people wishing for company X to make game Y a Xbox/ Xbox2 title? I can't count how many times have I seen Xbox fans dreaming about GTA5, FF13 or even MARIO (after Nintendo goes 3rd party) being exclusive to Xbox 2.
And I have YET to see one person saying "I wish Halo 3 would come to PS3, I wish Fable 2 to go multiplatform etc.". It's always the Xbox fans writing, always wishing for that one title exclusive to Sony or Nintendo... I just can't understand it. The massive pro-Xbox love and anti-everything else hate.
Maybe someone will explain this to me?
Why are you people so much after the "Japanese developers move to Xenon exclusively!" mantra?
What does it change? Why you obviously couldn't be happy with a new Square game on PS3 but moving it to Xbox2 suddenly makes it a hype-worthy title? Why do you hate (or start hating right now - vide Sony is doomed!) PS3 and Revolution so much?
And my biggest problem:
Why are people wishing for company X to make game Y a Xbox/ Xbox2 title? I can't count how many times have I seen Xbox fans dreaming about GTA5, FF13 or even MARIO (after Nintendo goes 3rd party) being exclusive to Xbox 2.
And I have YET to see one person saying "I wish Halo 3 would come to PS3, I wish Fable 2 to go multiplatform etc.". It's always the Xbox fans writing, always wishing for that one title exclusive to Sony or Nintendo... I just can't understand it. The massive pro-Xbox love and anti-everything else hate.
Maybe someone will explain this to me?
I have seen many times people wishing JSRF or PDO would have been released on their platform of choice.
Don't forget than GAF is mostly composed (or at least they are the most vocal, and also are the one who'd rather die than get a Xbox) of fans of japanese games, and with Xbox getting mainly exclusive title from US or Europe it just does not appeal to them.
Is that this difficult to understand ?
Don't forget than GAF is mostly composed (or at least they are the most vocal, and also are the one who'd rather die than get a Xbox) of fans of japanese games, and with Xbox getting mainly exclusive title from US or Europe it just does not appeal to them.
Is that this difficult to understand ?
Blimblim said:
But Microsoft offered Sega some kind of deal for the games and they chose to accept it. Like you said earlier, if a company offers up a deal that is favorable to the developer, fine. I wish the games would have sold better than they did, but it didn't stop them from being some of the best games Sega has done post DC. I hope Spikeout Battle Street turn out well.
Borys,
There are some games that GC and PS2 owners would love to see on their console of choice; DMC (series), Super Monkeyball Deluxe, Outrun 2, Phantasy Star Online, Ninja Gaiden etc. Wanting more games is not limited to Xbox owners.
I would like to see Phantasy Star Universe, Outrun 2 SP and Virtua Cop 3 as early titles for Xbox 2. Maybe they would have a better chance at sales during the launch period.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
Oh no, here we go again!
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the only thing the japanese care about is the games. That's why the Xbox is bombing - there aren't enough Japanese centric games on the Xbox.
... the PS2/GC fight??? Come now, it's not really a "Fight" now is?!
Fanbases.... people need to lose the notion that Japanese gamers are fans of hardware and are fans of certain games. DQ, Final Fantasy, Winning Eleven, Pokemon, Mario - to name but a few, will sell units and (probably) hardware no matter what that hardware happens to be.
A recap of current installed next gen user bases : Ps3 users = 0 , Xbox 2 users = 0, NR users = 0. This is the prime time for grabbing and influencing developers. And i can assure you that two companies in the equation have started the "land grab" with some already surprising rumours about who is having what as their lead platform.
no SE title?
For the western market, that doesn't look to be the case, as it looks like all the big boys will be on board from the start anyways. A large base in the US , especially if it hammers down the PS3 before it can even get off the ground, is all that it'll take for the Japanese devs to follow - they can't survive solely off the dwindling Japanese market so they are all going to have no choice but to consider the possibility of having either an XB2 version of their PS3 games, or to support XB2 as a back up plan. This isn't fanboyism or preference on their part, it's covering their asses so that they don't miss out on potential profit.
The other big factor for the Japanese is that the XB2 dev kits are out there and the software tools are in an advanced state. Sony are _still_ giving presentations to big name companies , showing very basic versions of the tools that will be coming "later". This isn't what the developers want to see at this stage of the game , and any nervous developers are going to make sure they at least have something to sell when the next gen comes - and it looks like Xbox 2 will be hitting the ground running first.
I'm sure the lure of Sony will be there, and i'm sure MS will still find a way to fuck something up (i dunno, a purple console this time or something retarded like that....) but it's definitely not going to be a repeat of last generation IMO.
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the only thing the japanese care about is the games. That's why the Xbox is bombing - there aren't enough Japanese centric games on the Xbox.
... the PS2/GC fight??? Come now, it's not really a "Fight" now is?!
Fanbases.... people need to lose the notion that Japanese gamers are fans of hardware and are fans of certain games. DQ, Final Fantasy, Winning Eleven, Pokemon, Mario - to name but a few, will sell units and (probably) hardware no matter what that hardware happens to be.
A recap of current installed next gen user bases : Ps3 users = 0 , Xbox 2 users = 0, NR users = 0. This is the prime time for grabbing and influencing developers. And i can assure you that two companies in the equation have started the "land grab" with some already surprising rumours about who is having what as their lead platform.
no SE title?
For the western market, that doesn't look to be the case, as it looks like all the big boys will be on board from the start anyways. A large base in the US , especially if it hammers down the PS3 before it can even get off the ground, is all that it'll take for the Japanese devs to follow - they can't survive solely off the dwindling Japanese market so they are all going to have no choice but to consider the possibility of having either an XB2 version of their PS3 games, or to support XB2 as a back up plan. This isn't fanboyism or preference on their part, it's covering their asses so that they don't miss out on potential profit.
The other big factor for the Japanese is that the XB2 dev kits are out there and the software tools are in an advanced state. Sony are _still_ giving presentations to big name companies , showing very basic versions of the tools that will be coming "later". This isn't what the developers want to see at this stage of the game , and any nervous developers are going to make sure they at least have something to sell when the next gen comes - and it looks like Xbox 2 will be hitting the ground running first.
I'm sure the lure of Sony will be there, and i'm sure MS will still find a way to fuck something up (i dunno, a purple console this time or something retarded like that....) but it's definitely not going to be a repeat of last generation IMO.
DCharlie said:
you lost the quote bubbles so its a tad hard to read. You sure seem optimistic though. I really don't think that Japanese devcos will go out and damage relations with a local firm (see Sony/Nintendo) - I mean if its about negotatons; I'd say the Japanese houses will be more in tuned with customs/business dealings than a western firm that runs in waving money/freebies; and also as I'd already mentioned; if they are really trying that hard...and I'm sure they were trying just as hard last gen; why aren't there more Jap devcos on the xbox bandwagon.
I think there would really need to be a PARADIGM SHIFT for any change to happen. My assumption is based on the past; but yours is based on a future/xenon success/dominance of the market - one's already happened; the other hasn't. Xbox has beaten GC but only by a narror margin - It can't even begin to touch PS2.
Do The Mario
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How powerful the PS3 is will have a significant impact on the decent amount of Japanese ports to the Xbox2.
Its probably my biggest concern for the XB2, at least the XB had healthy little library of jap ports including; Onimusha, Metal Gear, Street fighter, dynasty warriors.
Its probably my biggest concern for the XB2, at least the XB had healthy little library of jap ports including; Onimusha, Metal Gear, Street fighter, dynasty warriors.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
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I think people have this notion that the japanese will all stick together - i think it comes from the whole "loyalty" and "honour" image that Japan has. However, i think these companies are loyal to one thing - profit. If the situation _does_ change and it turns out that MS is the way to go to realise profit (if sony drag their feet with the PS3, if the Xbox 2 user base in the US is huge, if the dev costs are stupidly small, if MS give them big enough money hats, if the dollar rises back against the yen - and any other million other factors) then i can guarantee that all the fims will be on the Xbox 2 like a horny dog on a 6 legged man.
Well, for a start the PS2 had an insane lead at the time and any devco leaving the PS2 for the NGC or Xbox had to be seen as a very brave or money influenced move indeed. This time that situation won't happen - infact, it looks like the Xb2 will still get the drop on the PS3 here by some way.
The other factor that i'm sure that was taken into account is that if MS had come in and cockwaved, throwing insane cash at Square Enix etc etc for their top titles, how many people would have just said "ah, they just bought the industry ! they didn't earn it? " I would have for a start. There would have been nothing worse than a company storming in and taking the market by force. The worrying thing now is that they might feel that now they've earned their place in the market, that they might start throwing serious cash around ? Maybe - maybe not. Personally, I hope not.
Well, the point is that it'll be interesting to see what happens when the counters get reset and the new no. 2 player goes up against the current no. 1 with a X month lead.
Do The Mario
Unconfirmed Member
Odnetnin said:
I hate lists but I would call this a healthy library of good Japanese games, it spans many genres still desperately lacks a good RPG and could do with MGS3 and Onimusha 2 & 3 but there are plenty of good titles to sink your teeth into.
I am in no way saying that the XB Japanese game library is better then the GC and PS2 it not even close, but its a lot better then most people on this forum give it credit for.
Dynasty Warriors 3
Dynasty Warriors 4
Samurai Warriors
Soul Caliber 2
Dead or Alive 3
Dead or Alive Ultimate
Dead Or Alive : X beach volleyball
Onimusha
Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance
Karaoke Revolution
Dance Dance Revolution
Ninja Gaiden
Panzer Dragon orta
JSRF
Steel Battalion
Street Fighter Anniversary edition
Capcom vs Snk: EO
Shenume 2
Metal Slug 3
Metal Slug 4 & 5
Kingdom under Fire
Guilty Gear X2
King of Fighters
Pro Evolution Soccer 4
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
Thing is, when you hack down that list to experiences that you can't get on other consoles you are left with :
"Dead or Alive 3
Dead or Alive Ultimate
Dead Or Alive : X beach volleyball
Ninja Gaiden
Panzer Dragon orta
JSRF
Steel Battalion
Kingdom under Fire"
plus
dino crisis 3
gunvalkrie
outrun2
N.U.D.E
Otogi 1 + 2
metal wolf chaos
Maximum chase
thousand land
flight academy
Muzzle flash
Murakumo
Metal Dungeon
magatama
Breakdown
Dinosaur Hunter
(i'm sure there are more... but....)
then you can see why there isn't much excitement that they can't get on the PS2 to warrant a Japanese to buy an Xbox.
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"Dead or Alive 3
Dead or Alive Ultimate
Dead Or Alive : X beach volleyball
Ninja Gaiden
Panzer Dragon orta
JSRF
Steel Battalion
Kingdom under Fire"
plus
dino crisis 3
gunvalkrie
outrun2
N.U.D.E
Otogi 1 + 2
metal wolf chaos
Maximum chase
thousand land
flight academy
Muzzle flash
Murakumo
Metal Dungeon
magatama
Breakdown
Dinosaur Hunter
(i'm sure there are more... but....)
then you can see why there isn't much excitement that they can't get on the PS2 to warrant a Japanese to buy an Xbox.
(added other titles from above)
Do The Mario
Unconfirmed Member
DCharlie said:
I totally agree, I no longer have a PS2 (it passed away) now I just have an XB and GC.
If I still had a working PS2 I would have never picked up an XB but after the shity way Sony Australia handled my repairs (sending my PS2 back 2 me still broken twice!) I wasnt in the mood to continue supporting there console.
Like you said there isnt much exculsive Japanese content on the Xbox but for the average one console gamer there is a decent choice.
Now if only they would fuckin buy the games and not just generic shooters.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
"David, even the PS2 didn't really hammer down the XBox - for XBox 2 to achieve such feat would be a tremendous accomplishment, but can they really do it?"
Sorry, wrong use of expersion, I mean they have a good chance of racking up big numbers before the PS3 gets off the ground.
what MS need to ensure is they have a strong launch with a good , QUICK and strong second phase to keep the interest, then time a couple of heavy hitting 2nd gen games to coincide with the PS3. And of course, EA to have their titles looking and playing significantly beyond current gen titles.
Sorry, wrong use of expersion, I mean they have a good chance of racking up big numbers before the PS3 gets off the ground.
what MS need to ensure is they have a strong launch with a good , QUICK and strong second phase to keep the interest, then time a couple of heavy hitting 2nd gen games to coincide with the PS3. And of course, EA to have their titles looking and playing significantly beyond current gen titles.
I wouldn't guess exlcusive, it'll be coming to multiple platforms no doubt.Shin Johnpv said:
I bet Koei ports Oni to Xenon too.
Yuji Naka, the guy who's released Phantasy Star Online on 4 platforms, Sonic Heroes on 4 platforms, Sonic Mega Collection on 3 platforms and Puyo Puyo Fever on 11 platforms? He's the guy at Sega you're singling out for moronic platform exclusivity?Blimblim said:
Not to mention PSO1&2 GC moved about 500k worldwide, while the Xbox release moved under 100k. No offense, you have a valid point but you used likely the worst example possible here.
That guy was stupid enough to release PSO cards battle exclusively on NGC. Hopefully this game did not cost too much, as it should be one the worst selling Sega game on NGC. I don't say it would have sold hundreds of thousands on other platforms, but still when you already have the PSO engine running on Xbox and PC, why release the game only ONE platform, especially one where online games are totally absent.jarrod said:
As for Sonic Heroes, yes it was released on all 3 consoles. I don't know about the PS2 version but my version on Xbox had so much slowdowns it became almost unplayable at times. Only the NGC one ran correctly as far as I remember. Naka has a big (and I mean BIG) preference for Nintendo and I'm pretty sure he was pissed off when his management forced him to make Sonic Heroes on all 3 platforms.
This is actually the right question to ask.B E N K E said:
Will Japanese publishers continue make games primarily with their domestic market in mind (which is still very much the case today)? Or will they start to program for a global audience? If it's the latter, then you're going to have to support Xbox, or you're excluding yourself from a major chunk of the market.
I'm not really that optimistic though. It will require a fundamental cultural change that they don't seem to be up to.
johnjohnson
Member
Blimblim said:
The PS2 version is even worse than the xbox version. SH was the most disappointing game 2004 and the last Sonic Team game I've bought out of the box.
jarrod said:
Jarrod.. you came out with a zinger! Good one. And the best thing; you're so polite about it.
Where are we on this discussion? I guess E3 will be make or break for jap whores who love xbox... if MS can't secure good exclusive games from the orient; they'd be hard pressed to take any sort of lead.
scenario
boom.
DQ9 FFXIII = sale explosion for PS3 or N5
japanese dev support concentrates onto the machine with greater userbase.
and boys and girls; we'd be kidding ourselves if the whole intention of MS and the early Xenon launch isn't about taking the cup home. And this is the thing; as much as it is about jumping on the console bandwagon as Rhindle has mentioned; the Japanese game houses will have quite a lot to say about helping to determine who wins the race.
Funny you should mention that. Sega told us, back in the day, that PSO 3 Card Battle would be multiplatform and also release on Xbox.Blimblim said:
However, for whichever reason this did not happen. Granted, it wouldn't have sold well, but there was clearly a shift in plans.
Odnetnin said:Jarrod.. you came out with a zinger! Good one. And the best thing; you're so polite about it.
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not really.
Remeber Xbox PSO was exclusive to XBL subscribers only. You cant play offline with 4 friends unless you subscribe to XBL.
On GC you were able to play offline and online with no subscription. And it was released months after GC release.
Nope, but you need a Xbox Live account, even if you play offline only. One of the most stupid stuff for this horribly rushed job of a port (though I do not really blame Sonic Team on the port quality, they HAD to rush it to be ready for japanese xbox live launch)Kobold said: