The Artisan
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i'm not sure if that was supposed to be a retcon. as the series progressed once greengrass took over he expanded nicky's role more and more, so i thought the revelation was intended
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Jason Bourne (Paul Greengrass, 2016) - Spoiler Thread
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Considering that the scene was on location in a loud area full of effects and extras, no matter how quiet they were they probably had to dub the majority of the dialogue.
The Artisan
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i thought legacy wasn't canon to the main series
this is so confusing
i heard people saying that legacy retconned the original trilogy where the fax was "interrupted"
but this movie references again and again how bourne exposed blackbriar, which contradicts that. which should also mean that landy should be in charge somewhere. wtf.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
So lame.
Deep Dream CEO: "so uh we're doing a social app ummm it's gonna be big we have many users we also know that well you know privacy it's like kind of important"
*crowd goes wild like Steve Jobs just confidently announced the iPhone*
I know Riz Ahmed's character was skittish but he played that scene really weirdly.
*crowd goes wild like Steve Jobs just confidently announced the iPhone*
I know Riz Ahmed's character was skittish but he played that scene really weirdly.
Jason's Ultimatum
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I hope this is not the later seasons of 24 bad with the high tech gadgets and computers.
There's an unintentionally funny scene where Bourne is at a tech convention so his "found items" are high tech gadgets he steals from a vendor.
Lots of bad computer stuff. The idea is that Alicia Vikander's character is very good with surveillance, but if you slightly understand computers it falls apart. But it does make for a few nice action scenes where she can predict Bourne's movements by having full knowledge of the area.
Enhance!!
Funny how Bourne kept that one remote CANON camera all the way until the very end of the film.
BronsonLee
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Wait have you not seen the movie, Jason?!
Jason's Ultimatum
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No. Seeing it Monday night.
The Bookerman
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"Wait! I'm gonna put a Malware on her usb key"
**Facepalm**
Regardless, I enjoyed the movie, but it's actually the worst of the Damon-Bourne films. Legacy didn't feel like a bourne film.
There are things I enjoyed.
I like that in this movie they went to Berlin and London.
Alicia Vikander (Freakin hot)
Some of the fight scenes.
Hated:
1) Bourne in Las Vegas?! Somehow it didn't feel right: Exocon, stealing supplies from a vendor: It didn't feel like Bourne.
2)Totally ignoring Marie. I mean I understand That they wanted to focus on Nikki: But that "relationship" was never really shown, simply implied.
3)The dad plot point was also forced. Nothing was mentioned in the first three films(That's probably because didn't think they'd do another one after Ultimatum)
4)The Deep dream company: Kaloor and company. Well it's obviously google... Right? Kaloor is Sundar Pichai? Right? Wink Wink, Nudge Nudge. - Felt super cheezy like Antitrust(2001).
Not only that, but she somehow deletes the files on a laptop, that would be air gapped by any competent hacker, through a cell phone in the room.
BronsonLee
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And it's not even a smartphone!
Gentleman Jack
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"And it will surely infect the computer of the hyper-paranoid ringleader of an elite international hacking group that has access to devices that silently tap into CIA black ops fileservers. Oh look his phone is an unsecured wifi hotspot, good thing now we can use it AND SOME FUCKING MAGIC to delete the files from his personal laptop."
Yeah it hurts to watch these movies sometimes.
Macadinho94
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These films could learn a lot from Mr Robot in portraying hacking in a semi-realistic way
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The other films avoided all that crap for the most part. I think the most advanced thing Bourne did was clone a SIM card. The fact that the big finale of the third movie involved using fax machines says it all.
I really enjoyed it, even though I understood how inane all the hacking stuff was.There's even a subtitled Icelandic hacker talking about using SQL to hack databases (iirc the only subtitle in the film). I didn't feel like the father stuff was forced; all the Damon films have introduced new elements from his past.
Also that ExoCon scene was really hype. I liked the silly gadgets he picked up, exactly the dumb sort of thing I'd expect to find at a convention like that.
Also that ExoCon scene was really hype. I liked the silly gadgets he picked up, exactly the dumb sort of thing I'd expect to find at a convention like that.
MisterFalcon
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Looking at Mr. Robot's rather dismal viewership numbers I'm not sure it's a lesson they need to learn. I'm getting really fed up with people going 'it's got proper Unix shell commands, that's so amazing !' instead of praising the the superb acting, writing and cinematography that can be enjoyed by far more people.
Memento Mori
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The programs from Legacy (Outcome and Larx) were in the data Nicky stole. It's canon.
The Artisan
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i saw that but legacy established that the fax was interrupted apparently. But that contradicts this film. Other than outcome the events of this film weren't referenced.
The Artisan
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It very well could be an alternate universe, as that would explain the inconsistency
no
BronsonLee
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Lazy vs Crazy
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It was pretty OK!
Only one actual fight in the movie (the 20 second fight with the hacker doesn't count). Really needed to be another mid movie.
Chase scene was over the top, but I did like how they switched it up and had Jason being the one doing the chasing.
The only time you got a "She's standing right next to you," moment where you were like wow, Bourne is smarter and better than everyone was right at the end, he just didn't feel like he was ahead of the game in the movie at all.
Having Jason not talk much was a mistake.
But I still liked it. Not mad about spending money to see it.
Only one actual fight in the movie (the 20 second fight with the hacker doesn't count). Really needed to be another mid movie.
Chase scene was over the top, but I did like how they switched it up and had Jason being the one doing the chasing.
The only time you got a "She's standing right next to you," moment where you were like wow, Bourne is smarter and better than everyone was right at the end, he just didn't feel like he was ahead of the game in the movie at all.
Having Jason not talk much was a mistake.
But I still liked it. Not mad about spending money to see it.
This also had the least flashiest title appearance in the series. Jeeeeeez.
(Don't take this criticism seriously)
Saw it last night, huge fan of the original 3 Damon ones.
I loved it. It may be the weakest of the Damon ones, but with the bar being set so high that's not necessarily a harsh statement. Damn is this series enjoyable. I liked the incredibly slick, tight, focused approach of the movie. Damon's Bourne has been out of it so long, and you can tell that he's lost a bit of a step but that just made things a lot cooler. Seeing this badass assassin come back after years and still kick ass was such a thrill. Vikander was also excellent, well done on her part.
Greengrass' directing was exceptional, even if the script left me desiring. It's more of an action thriller as opposed to an intellectual thriller like its predecessors. But it's incredibly well done. More of the same, but well done steak is well done steak.
Been listening to the new Extreme Ways during the whole time at the gym today, lol.
I loved it. It may be the weakest of the Damon ones, but with the bar being set so high that's not necessarily a harsh statement. Damn is this series enjoyable. I liked the incredibly slick, tight, focused approach of the movie. Damon's Bourne has been out of it so long, and you can tell that he's lost a bit of a step but that just made things a lot cooler. Seeing this badass assassin come back after years and still kick ass was such a thrill. Vikander was also excellent, well done on her part.
Greengrass' directing was exceptional, even if the script left me desiring. It's more of an action thriller as opposed to an intellectual thriller like its predecessors. But it's incredibly well done. More of the same, but well done steak is well done steak.
Been listening to the new Extreme Ways during the whole time at the gym today, lol.
BronsonLee
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Yeah in 2002 it was a little more believable since it was just the Boston Beanpole, now he looks like a fucking murderer
Remember when he was the 'kid' in Ocean 11?
He did seem too skinny back then though for super cia assassin. Now he's ready to fist fight a predator.
Although it kinda makes sense if he got nothing better to do since the last movie. Been just street fighting and pimping iron for 9 years.
Damon being jacked didn't really add anything. Him fighting to earn money was like okay, he's smart enough to think of better ways.
The people making this movie just don't care. This isn't the tightly connected Marvel universe, if there's inconsistencies then they'll just have to fly.
The people making this movie just don't care. This isn't the tightly connected Marvel universe, if there's inconsistencies then they'll just have to fly.
What was even the point of name dropping Snowden? Like he would have totally leaked this social network bull shit.
Especially if black ops folder was that obvious.
Why the hell is the CIA holding a press conference with a social network platform in a post Snowden world anyways.
It's like no scriptwriter even bother googling what Snowden even did.
Reminds me of that Snowden interview with John Oliver.
https://youtu.be/XEVlyP4_11M
Especially if black ops folder was that obvious.
Why the hell is the CIA holding a press conference with a social network platform in a post Snowden world anyways.
It's like no scriptwriter even bother googling what Snowden even did.
Reminds me of that Snowden interview with John Oliver.
https://youtu.be/XEVlyP4_11M
Jason's Ultimatum
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Really!? Holy shit. That's actually pretty big news consorting Greengrass and Damon themselves said Legacy is doing its own thing and don't consider it canon.
Could just be a little Easter egg. Nothing more nothing less.
The Artisan
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Yeah, I think that's all I could be. Iirc, there literally wasn't any other reference to Legacy other than that. Like i said, all things make it seem like Legacy never happened
But his slender, non-descript figure was part of his CIA cover. He looked like a normal guy who can blend in a crowd. He used his quick thinking and precise movements to evade enemies or take them down.
Not so much anymore. Now he's an obvious body builder standing in a crowd.
He still can avoid the CIA, maybe better than before lol. Clearly the lesson is you blend in better when you stand out.
Assassin Creed style.
AlphaStriker
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I hope they make another sequel, they certainly setup the scenario with the story line that Jason really has nothing better to do when he's not running from/working for the CIA.
I didn't mind the rehash of plot points and familiar scenes this time around, but hopefully they make something new with a more clever plot the next time.
I didn't mind the rehash of plot points and familiar scenes this time around, but hopefully they make something new with a more clever plot the next time.
I feel the same way. I'd say they left it open for a sequel if they really wanted to.
Indeed, I watched Identity again the other day and it really holds up well, feels like a timeless Cold War flick.
SlimySnake
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The negativity in this thread is surprising. I thought the movie was gripping, tense and suspenseful in a way only Bourne movies can be. It's been nine years since we got a Bourne movie from Damon and Greengrass and man I sat there with a huge grin through out the movie.
The movie is budgeted at $120 million and for a movie with little to no CGi, that is a crazy amount of money and it shows. The greece riots sequence is one of the best scenes I have seen in a movie this year. There is so much going on, so many extras, so many setpieces, it all looked expensive.
I didn't care for them killing off Nicki, they tried to pull a Marie again and this time it didnt work because everyone saw it coming.
The final sequence at the Expo and the ensuing chase sequence was absolutely wonderful. Now bear in mind i hate Greengrass' billion cuts during action chase sequences and setpieces, but there is no denying that they work to create suspense and tension until all hell breaks loose. It was wonderful to watch five people in that sequence all with their own motivations and agendas reacting to what the other person is doing at that very second. When TLJ decided to off both Aaron and Heather, I was like damn this guy doesnt fuck around. Then she texts her own insurance policy who comes into the room and quickly saves the day in the most Bourne way possible.
The biggest surprise for me was how good the new girl was. I mean i already knew she was an amazing actress when i saw her in Ex Machina last year, but she owned every scene she was in. In a series where Jason Bourne has gone up against Chris Cooper, Brian Cox, Tommy lee Jones and I guess Edward Norton, she was the one that stood out the most. I had no idea whose side she was on until the end (her own) and i loved how Jason saw right through her. What a brilliant actress. (Terrible accent though. Poor casting on that part.)
Lastly, that punch sequence in the trailer they showed was completely butchered in the final movie. In the trailer it was a nice 2-3 second sequence (long for a bourne movie) but here they place the camera right behind Jason and you dont see shit. I thought greengrass was improving after Bourne Ultimatum, that movie's chase sequences were a little bit longer and it was nice to see all these crazy stunts and setpieces these guys pull off. Here he has gone back to his old bad habits and it's really disappointing because that vegas car chase was crazy. Cameron needs to call him and tell him it's ok to leave the camera on the car for more than a fraction of a second. The best shot in the movie is actually a video feed from a camera mounted on a cop car as it follows Bourne's bike. It lasts 3 seconds and you get to appreciate the amazing sky lit up orange by fire and smoke, the insane amount of extras and all the effort went into recreating that riot.
The plot was decent, but Jason not speaking at all during critical scenes was jarring. He really did have 25 lines in the movie.
I still think this might be my favorite movie of the year. bring on the sequel.
The movie is budgeted at $120 million and for a movie with little to no CGi, that is a crazy amount of money and it shows. The greece riots sequence is one of the best scenes I have seen in a movie this year. There is so much going on, so many extras, so many setpieces, it all looked expensive.
I didn't care for them killing off Nicki, they tried to pull a Marie again and this time it didnt work because everyone saw it coming.
The final sequence at the Expo and the ensuing chase sequence was absolutely wonderful. Now bear in mind i hate Greengrass' billion cuts during action chase sequences and setpieces, but there is no denying that they work to create suspense and tension until all hell breaks loose. It was wonderful to watch five people in that sequence all with their own motivations and agendas reacting to what the other person is doing at that very second. When TLJ decided to off both Aaron and Heather, I was like damn this guy doesnt fuck around. Then she texts her own insurance policy who comes into the room and quickly saves the day in the most Bourne way possible.
The biggest surprise for me was how good the new girl was. I mean i already knew she was an amazing actress when i saw her in Ex Machina last year, but she owned every scene she was in. In a series where Jason Bourne has gone up against Chris Cooper, Brian Cox, Tommy lee Jones and I guess Edward Norton, she was the one that stood out the most. I had no idea whose side she was on until the end (her own) and i loved how Jason saw right through her. What a brilliant actress. (Terrible accent though. Poor casting on that part.)
Lastly, that punch sequence in the trailer they showed was completely butchered in the final movie. In the trailer it was a nice 2-3 second sequence (long for a bourne movie) but here they place the camera right behind Jason and you dont see shit. I thought greengrass was improving after Bourne Ultimatum, that movie's chase sequences were a little bit longer and it was nice to see all these crazy stunts and setpieces these guys pull off. Here he has gone back to his old bad habits and it's really disappointing because that vegas car chase was crazy. Cameron needs to call him and tell him it's ok to leave the camera on the car for more than a fraction of a second. The best shot in the movie is actually a video feed from a camera mounted on a cop car as it follows Bourne's bike. It lasts 3 seconds and you get to appreciate the amazing sky lit up orange by fire and smoke, the insane amount of extras and all the effort went into recreating that riot.
The plot was decent, but Jason not speaking at all during critical scenes was jarring. He really did have 25 lines in the movie.
I still think this might be my favorite movie of the year. bring on the sequel.
stn
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Was glad to see Damon back as Bourne. Though a few things...
1. The part at Vegas was not needed. Why not just keep it in London?
2. That Dream CEO character was just annoying and terrible.
3. The Social media stuff did not feel Bourne-y to me.
I'd like the next movie to focus only on Bourne's character. I don't need some high tech global story, just keep it low-level espionage. Also, he needs more dialogue for the next one. Let the series conclude, there's only so much they can do from here. Still, a very solid movie.
1 = 2 > 3 > 5 >>> 4
That's my take so far.
1. The part at Vegas was not needed. Why not just keep it in London?
2. That Dream CEO character was just annoying and terrible.
3. The Social media stuff did not feel Bourne-y to me.
I'd like the next movie to focus only on Bourne's character. I don't need some high tech global story, just keep it low-level espionage. Also, he needs more dialogue for the next one. Let the series conclude, there's only so much they can do from here. Still, a very solid movie.
1 = 2 > 3 > 5 >>> 4
That's my take so far.
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