I think you're right. I remember thinking during his second fight before he saw Nicky that he was taking a lot of punches on purpose. Then when he saw her and had to go, he quickly finished the guy off.
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Jason Bourne (Paul Greengrass, 2016) - Spoiler Thread
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Not usually into these, but Honest Trailers did a Bourne trilogy video.
Boy I'm disappointed this movie ended on a lame note. What a waste of Extreme Ways. I guess the camera in the car was a much weaker take on Supremacy's ending.
Boy I'm disappointed this movie ended on a lame note. What a waste of Extreme Ways. I guess the camera in the car was a much weaker take on Supremacy's ending.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Vincent Cassell was really the best part of the film to be honest.
And I thought the intro was good. Loved the flashback then Bourne snapping back to reality in the truck. And it was awesome how he's just quiet, wrapping up his hands with his mouth giving off that serious/shitty lift he's going through. Then he takes his shirt off, and it's DAMN.
Although the Greek riot was so damn well put together, and it's what Greengrass does best, that car chase at the end was so lackluster in the creative department. The car chase in Supremacy and NYC in Ultimatum were soooo much better.
Writer on VOX did an article on why Identity is the best of the trilogy:
http://www.vox.com/2016/8/2/12339814/first-bourne-movie-is-best
Disagree about some of his opinions. I mean, yeah, Marie was his moral compass, and he was more humanized, but Marie was just deadweight at the end. She needed to go in Supremacy. Or maybe she didn't have to, but Supremacy would've been Identity all over again if She didn't die.
Also, good article on Greengrass's style of camera work:
http://www.vox.com/2016/8/1/12325376/jason-bourne-and-greengrass-shaky-cam
Something I noticed right away when I first saw Supremacy: Kirill pulling into the parking spot, gets out, door shuts, and the door opening, each edited sequence.
And I thought the intro was good. Loved the flashback then Bourne snapping back to reality in the truck. And it was awesome how he's just quiet, wrapping up his hands with his mouth giving off that serious/shitty lift he's going through. Then he takes his shirt off, and it's DAMN.
Although the Greek riot was so damn well put together, and it's what Greengrass does best, that car chase at the end was so lackluster in the creative department. The car chase in Supremacy and NYC in Ultimatum were soooo much better.
Writer on VOX did an article on why Identity is the best of the trilogy:
http://www.vox.com/2016/8/2/12339814/first-bourne-movie-is-best
Disagree about some of his opinions. I mean, yeah, Marie was his moral compass, and he was more humanized, but Marie was just deadweight at the end. She needed to go in Supremacy. Or maybe she didn't have to, but Supremacy would've been Identity all over again if She didn't die.
Also, good article on Greengrass's style of camera work:
http://www.vox.com/2016/8/1/12325376/jason-bourne-and-greengrass-shaky-cam
Something I noticed right away when I first saw Supremacy: Kirill pulling into the parking spot, gets out, door shuts, and the door opening, each edited sequence.
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So, I just got done watching The Bourne Ultimatum, and it's a freaking excellent action movie. There's a lot that it does better than this new one, but I think one big element is that Ultimatum is 100% about Bourne. Even when it's not explicitly following him, the characters are all discussing and reacting to his actions.
Compare that to Jason Bourne, where the Deep Dream plotline basically runs tangent to the titular character in every way, and notZuckerberg doesn't even know who the hell Bourne is. It makes what is probably like a quarter of the film feel pointless.
Compare that to Jason Bourne, where the Deep Dream plotline basically runs tangent to the titular character in every way, and notZuckerberg doesn't even know who the hell Bourne is. It makes what is probably like a quarter of the film feel pointless.
That was one thing that stood out when I was watching it. There are a couple of Deep Dream scenes that are not involving Bourne and not about catching him. Was that the first for the Bourne movies?
Edgar Wright works similarly and it's so awesome.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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I want to say probably, but I haven't seen Supremacy or Identity in years. Probably should rectify that.
At this point, if they do another Damon Bourne film, I want them to stay far far away from a secret government project plot. I think having it be similar to the Korean film The Man From Nowhere could work brilliantly.
Loooool the car chase HAS to be parody. It has to be some sort of statement. One thing is adding a long, fundamentally shitty and lifeless car chase. Another thing entirely is putting it as your climax. WTF was that. It had nothing to do with the strength of the franchise or indeed the film.
The middle part of the movie was strong. I felt the set-up was clumsy and sometimes cheesy. But they created tension and excitement again that lasted until the car chase and the very lame beat-a-thon at the end.
Hopefully if there's another movie we don't get a similarly confused plot and Greengrass just lets there be a personal thing between Vikander and Bourne.
The middle part of the movie was strong. I felt the set-up was clumsy and sometimes cheesy. But they created tension and excitement again that lasted until the car chase and the very lame beat-a-thon at the end.
Hopefully if there's another movie we don't get a similarly confused plot and Greengrass just lets there be a personal thing between Vikander and Bourne.
Jason's Ultimatum
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The problem is there's no clever action sequences that took some great thought process. Look at the Tangiers chase scene in Ultimatum: It goes motorcycle chase, to on foot chase on the ground, to a foot chase on top of roofs, then finally to a fight scene.
Nothing really stands out in JB as far as the set pieces go.
I really wish we could've gotten a nice long foot chase in JB. Man, hearing that Berlin Foot Chase theme in Supremacy pumps you up with Bourne running to get to the train.
What a disappointing movie, I wouldn't call it bad, its competently made and the Greece riot sequence is very well put together, but it was mostly just boring after that. The entire climax was just flat. Too much collateral damage for a Bourne film and the worst car chase in the series. Bourne never really did any of the super creative stuff we saw in the previous films either in action sequences. The plot felt basically the same as the other movies and the Facebook thing was just a giant barely connected tangent to the film. It felt like it was left over from a different script. Also, what on earth was going on with Alicia Vikander's accent? It would literally change midword sometimes. I couldn't take her character seriously, because I was just trying to figure out what she was saying half the time.
This movie really shouldn't have been the US Government out for Bourne again. It should have a pulled a Rambo and been about Bourne being in a situation where he could stop something bad from happening because of who he is.
That actually didn't bother me that much. I mean someone demonstrated sending data from a malware infected air gapped computer using the freaking case fan to generate noise to a bug in the room that read the rev ups and down as bits earlier this year. Just imagine it was connected via bluetooth or something.
This movie really shouldn't have been the US Government out for Bourne again. It should have a pulled a Rambo and been about Bourne being in a situation where he could stop something bad from happening because of who he is.
That actually didn't bother me that much. I mean someone demonstrated sending data from a malware infected air gapped computer using the freaking case fan to generate noise to a bug in the room that read the rev ups and down as bits earlier this year. Just imagine it was connected via bluetooth or something.
Jason's Ultimatum
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I think a cool plotline wouldve been someone noticing Bourne in another country. Someone related to in some way Bourne killed during his Treadstone days, and that person getting revenge.
Actually you know what? It would've been awesome to take the Vicent Cassell plot and expand it to a movie or two, like Bourne vs the Jackel in the books. Cassells character is pissed at Bourne for exposing Blackbriar, and becomes a terrorist where he hunts Bourne. A huge cat n mouse movie.
Actually you know what? It would've been awesome to take the Vicent Cassell plot and expand it to a movie or two, like Bourne vs the Jackel in the books. Cassells character is pissed at Bourne for exposing Blackbriar, and becomes a terrorist where he hunts Bourne. A huge cat n mouse movie.
Really late here, but I finally saw it tonight. I felt this was 24 Season 6 all over again. Suddenly introducing daddy into the story because otherwise it doesn't make sense for Bauer/Bourne to seek revenge again. Reusing the same tropes over again. Killing likeable characters for no reason. Making sure the hacking/techno stuff is more laughable than ever. Nonsensical premise. And the story somehow got worse. Probably the worst moment for me: when Bourne fell from a building and hit his head on a wall. Instead of shooting Bourne from the rooftop to make sure he's dead, the asset decided to head down the stairs, you know to make sure Bourne had enough time to escape again...
Put me in the Legacy is better than "Jason Bourne" camp. Even if I hated how Legacy ended. But at least Legacy tried something new.
This basically.
Put me in the Legacy is better than "Jason Bourne" camp. Even if I hated how Legacy ended. But at least Legacy tried something new.
This basically.
Not Spaceghost
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The movie was actually going along fine until the end of the london scene and then the vegas stuff was a total disaster.
And my god the car chase at the end of vegas was so SO AWFULLY SHOT. I swear there must have been at least 130 quick takes that made it so difficult to follow along.
The whole movie also just really had awful camera work, whenever they pulled their phones out to check a message the camera wouldn't hold still and it made reading the message impossible.
All around the movie became really dizzying because of the camera work.
The ending was like kinda satisfying but I'm not sure if they were trying to leave it open for a sequel that is never going to happen or what.
And my god the car chase at the end of vegas was so SO AWFULLY SHOT. I swear there must have been at least 130 quick takes that made it so difficult to follow along.
The whole movie also just really had awful camera work, whenever they pulled their phones out to check a message the camera wouldn't hold still and it made reading the message impossible.
All around the movie became really dizzying because of the camera work.
The ending was like kinda satisfying but I'm not sure if they were trying to leave it open for a sequel that is never going to happen or what.
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