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[ByWatterson]

Horizon has all the ingredients for potential success in the PVE GAS space:

- A super explorable world
- Gear and cosmetics
- Dungeons
- Great combat
- Crafting
- Currencies

Don't write this one off.

 

[LordCBH]

Ewwww. What a waste of guerrillas time and effort.

 

[PeteBull]

All good, herman takes into account few more flops, worst case scenario ps6 gonna be 999$ discless to recuperate the cost of his failures

 

[tommib]

Jesus fuck i really liked when i played zero down, but PlayStation and Hermen keeps jerking off to Aloy so much i cant stand this shit anymore. And dude I fucking hate Horison's music theme and this woman yapping.

Finally a kindred spirit. I think that menu theme with the pan pipe flutes, the new age female singer and the fonts absolutely kill the IP for me.

 

[Gonzito]

Man the industry is going downhill

 

[diffusionx]

If Herman Hulst keeps his job after Concord, then Sony is screwed.

 

[FeralEcho]

Might as well hire Men_in_Boxes

At this point he'd do a better job than these retarded execs.

 

[diffusionx]

Horizon has all the ingredients for potential success in the PVE GAS space:

- A super explorable world
- Gear and cosmetics
- Dungeons
- Great combat
- Crafting
- Currencies

Don't write this one off.

The big issue with this, is that this stuff exists in many games.

Who is going to play Horizon Online over Monster Hunter, or FF14, or the latest PC FOTM survival game? The IP is not as strong as Sony thinks it is and they keep hammering it like it is Zelda.

 

[FeralEcho]

Whoever asked for a fucking Horizon multiplayer game?



WITH THESE FUCKING DESIGNS??????????

Holy fucking shit at these designs...I know it's pre-Alpha but Holy Shit...

I'm fully expecting a wooden wheelchair handicapped hunter in this thing after seeing that Peg-leg big palooka.

"DIVERSITY"

 

[SolidQ]

Seems resera happy with this

 

[Kotaro]

man i swear this gaming industry is in a depressing state

Correction: Western gaming industry.

Asian industry is cooking with Koreans and China on the rise, and Japan is holding up its own

 

[ByWatterson]

The big issue with this, is that this stuff exists in many games.

Who is going to play Horizon Online over Monster Hunter, or FF14, or the latest PC FOTM survival game? The IP is not as strong as Sony thinks it is and they keep hammering it like it is Zelda.

Yeah I mean maybe it's a bust.

But it's the best-positioned of their strong IP to make a dent.

And you guys are WAY underestimating its popularity. Even if you take out bundles, those two games have sold millions and millions of copies and will sell millions more with the remaster, Lego, etc.

 

[Moridianae]

What he says is that Horizon Online is one of the few ones that hasn't been cancelled, so I would imagine a great many have been.

What astounds me is it should be zero at this juncture. Horizon GAAS is not going to obtain a foothold.

Fairgame$ is the next failure, if it hasn't already been shitcanned or is being being retooled in a panic after Concord.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

"was no joke"

is code for catastrophic falirue

 

[diffusionx]

Yeah I mean maybe it's a bust.

But it's the best-positioned of their strong IP to make a dent.

And you guys are WAY underestimating its popularity. Even if you take out bundles, those two games have sold millions and millions of copies and will sell millions more with the remaster, Lego, etc.

I saw a post on here that Forbidden West sold ~half of what Zero Dawn sold. When a game sells 50% of what its predecessor did, that is not a good sign for a franchise. Forbidden West was on PS4 too. I know it's VR, too, but it's not like that game helped move the PSVR2.

I think both you and Sony vastly overstate the popularity of this franchise. The Lego game will be interesting to see.

 

[Nankatsu]

I do hope Horizon Online gets axed way sooner than Concord.

 

[Xtib81]

It could actually work if they go the Monster hunter route but we'll have to wait and see, they could very well fuck this up lol

 

[xHunter]

They need to go F2P, the moment the call this a GaaS game, it will never reach a larger audience if its not free.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Since Concord it will fail like the others. Just keep them coming to be rejected by the gamers.

"was no joke"

is code for catastrophic falirue

Pretty much.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

They need to go F2P, the moment the call this a GaaS game, it will never reach a larger audience if its not free.

Nope. Sony doesn't have the expertise or workforce to go F2P

 

[ManaByte]

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

And before I felt very sorry for Guerrilla because they gave their effort... So I supported them by buying their games and look... They came out being scavengers.

I will never buy a game from that company again in my life.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Let’s be honest here. Horizon isn’t that great. It can use any changes it can get.

However, I have my doubts any game from the studio will be good. They obviously don’t know why Horizon is bland, since they doubled down on it in horizon two. Their multiplayer game will probably be bland too which means it will fail.

Also, Aloy is a terrible character in Horizon 2.

Wukong, Ghosts, or Lies of P for example are much better games. I’d rather play Assassin's Creed than Horizon, and there it is. Horizon 1 was much better than 2, but it was still an 8/10 game max, and feels generic.

Plus, in the original part one the character is cute and in part two she is not. I’m completely done with horizon, and it would take a miracle to get me to play again ever.

I’m starting to think Sony’s IP isn’t very healthy.

 

[midnightAI]

OMFG no one wants Horizon my goodness. Playing it is like watching paint dry.

No one? Well that's just a lie isn't it

 

[GHG]

Herman really needs to be stopped and removed from his position, it's gone beyond a joke now.

 

[midnightAI]

Holy fucking shit at these designs...I know it's pre-Alpha but Holy Shit...

I'm fully expecting a wooden wheelchair handicapped hunter in this thing after seeing that Peg-leg big palooka.

"DIVERSITY"

Errr, you do know that is highly likely to have been designed via a character creator?

 

[Moriarty1889]

Good Lord Sony has gone off the deep end……..obsessed with Horizon, The Last of Us and GAAS SHITE. Hope it all blows up in their faces along with their DEI obsession. Herman and Hitoki need to both fail and be replaced. What an utter joke they have made of the Playstation brand as of late.

 

[Guerilla Munch]

finally, a gaas where the premium battle pass nets you sweet cosmetic gear that makes your character look even more frumpy

 

[JaksGhost]

Good Lord Sony has gone off the deep end……..obsessed with Horizon, The Last of Us and GAAS SHITE. Hope it all blows up in their faces along with their DEI obsession. Herman and Hitoki need to both fail and be replaced. What an utter joke they have made of the Playstation brand as of late.

Oh Sony has gone off the deep end by making franchises just like they did before?! What was Guerilla doing before Horizon, making a shit ton of Killzone games. What was Naughty Dog doing before The Last Of Us, making a shit ton of Unchared games. First Jim Ryan needed to go but now since their new leadership is mirroring exactly what he was doing now they have to go to. I thought since Hitoki was Japanese he was going to be ya'll new savior? What happened?

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Their live service initiative is no joke? What would you refer to Concord as then?

 

[//DEVIL//]

hope they spend more millions so it fucking flops and we are done with Hulst and horizon forever . What a sad ass game at this point. I get pissed off just if I hear the word horizon now

 

[FeralEcho]

Errr, you do know that is highly likely to have been designed via a character creator?

And that takes away from what I said how exactly? Just because they are options for the player to choose from doesn't make it any less stupid thematically...

But I guess they want to be like Fortnite where nothing makes sense anyway.

 

[nial]

Yeah, I would like to see anything substantial from this game before having any strong reaction over it.
It could be another Helldivers 2 for all we know, I think people are needlessly maligning the core idea of GAAS due to the shitty publisher monetization practices that often come along with it, but if Helldivers 2 and Concord (despite its faults) are any clue, what is there to worry here?
I'm now mostly hoping for it to be an actual cool, interesting and fun game, something that Concord wasn't at least 2/3 of it.

 

[adamsapple]

Their live service initiative is no joke? What would you refer to Concord as then?

The punchline.

 

[Topher]

He says the third game isn't being worked on until Horizon Online is done.

So much for the theory that live service games have not impacted single player output

 

[Topher]

Their live service initiative is no joke? What would you refer to Concord as then?

He is saying it was "no joke" as in Sony was incredibly serious about pushing live service games, not the end result of that initiative.

 

[SHAKEZ]

It has the potential to be good, but I don't believe for a second that they can reach it.

 

[Paasei]

Horizon has all the ingredients for potential success in the PVE GAS space:

- A super explorable world
- Gear and cosmetics
- Dungeons
- Great combat
- Crafting
- Currencies

Don't write this one off.

It’s online, so I don’t care from the very start.

 

[Nydius]

If it isn’t a straight knock off of Monster Hunter, I don’t want it. Simple as that. That’s the only multiplayer, live service, version of Horizon I could ever see being any good.

I was really hoping they were focusing (no pun intended) on getting Horizon 3 out by the end of this generation so they could wrap up the story and move the hell on.

 

[midnightAI]

And that takes away from what I said how exactly? Just because they are options for the player to choose from doesn't make it any less stupid thematically...

But I guess they want to be like Fortnite where nothing makes sense anyway.

Because it's test footage, it's not a trailer, leaked test footage at that. It highly likely they just wanted to put loads of options on one character as a test. It's pointless reading anything into leaked test pre-alpha footage.

 

[crunchyBiscuits]

I'm not so keen on Sony's GaaS releases, but as long as GaaS can fund fun, interesting SP games then knock yourself out Sony

At the same time, I'm interested to see what they have planned for Horizon MP

 

[FeralEcho]

Because it's test footage, it's not a trailer, leaked test footage at that. It highly likely they just wanted to put loads of options on one character as a test. It's pointless reading anything into leaked test pre-alpha footage.

I know,I literally said its pre alpha, it was just a genuine reaction as I hadn't seen that video before.

 

[Msamy]

Imagine forced your biggest studios to make fuckin gaas games, meanwhile you show your new console with cross gen titles because your first partty caught on this shit
Fuck sony, fuck hirman hulst fuck them alll

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

He says the third game isn't being worked on until Horizon Online is done.

So much for the theory that live service games have not impacted single player output

Man, some people hear things that simply aren't said.

 

[Nydius]

I saw a post on here that Forbidden West sold ~half of what Zero Dawn sold. When a game sells 50% of what its predecessor did,

You’re probably referring to one of my posts but you conveniently omit that I directly refuted your above point by pointing out that Horizon ZD’s sales numbers are based on 7 years across PS and PC, while Horizon FW’s sales numbers are based on 2 years of console sales only, prior to PC release.

In a like-for-like console sales comparison over a two year span, ZD sold 10m (2017-2019) and FW sold 9m (2022-2024). So no, they haven’t dropped “50% sales”.

 

[SSfox]

If Horizon online flop, Hermen will need to be put in the Guillotine.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

He is saying it was "no joke" as in Sony was incredibly serious about pushing live service games, not the end result of that initiative.

Yeah I know, I was taking the piss.

 

[Topher]

Man, some people hear things that simply aren't said.

Bullshit

"Horizon Online is their next product, not whatever the third single player game looks like so that one might be a ways off"

56:40

 

[Hypereides]

Horizon has a lot of potential to be a strong western Monster Hunter competitor.
The potential around hunting the robot dinosaurs in co-op is huge in terms of possible fun, possibly even higher than another single player RPG with the same formula of the previous two games.
It's all about the execution.

I'm willing to bet they are intentionally "watering down" the idea. They're striving for the pockets of casual players, not the hardcore ones.

Whoever asked for a fucking Horizon multiplayer game?



WITH THESE FUCKING DESIGNS??????????

I did. Is there a problem?

 

[ByWatterson]

It’s online, so I don’t care from the very start.