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Jason Schreier "Horizon Online Next for Guerilla, Horizon 3 'Ways off', Sony's Live Service Initiative was no joke"
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Punished Miku
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I assumed Horizon 3 was a PS6 launch game, but it appears it's later than that.He says the third game isn't being worked on until Horizon Online is done.
So much for the theory that live service games have not impacted single player output
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Yeah, it's waaaaay too vague of a statement to reach that conclusion.
Guerilla has been working on their multiplayer game since 2018 so it's likely next out of the oven. Horizon 3 started development after Forbidden West in 2022 so that was always supposed to release near the end of the decade.
They're a two team studio. Stop with your GAAS Derangement Syndrome my friend.
Bumblebeetuna
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Horizon is vastly overrated as a franchise. Bundled so heavily with PS4 and even PS5. Plus even without bundles, the original was available new in the complete form with DLC for less than $20 like a year after release. Its numbers aren’t all they are cracked up to be. I have no idea what the sequel sold.
An online Horizon game could be ok but it’s hard to imagine it would be anything with staying power. PvP would be terrible unless they drastically change the gameplay. PvE would be cool but it would basically boil down to bullet (arrow) sponge boss robots.
4 or 6 player co-op on missions with mobs of dinobots and a boss or two. Unlock new cosmetics or weapons and shit, could be decent for awhile.
LMJ
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It does indeed, but it also has another ingredient against it...
OVER SATURATION
People really liked HZD, so they were excited for a sequel, then let this cook, but no, now we have a Lego game nobody but Herman asked for, a remaster that wasn't necessary and you're killing your own game series here Herman
Aloy is not Mario
Mario is fun and easy to adapt to multiple situation Aloy and Horizion aren't!
Topher
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Nothing vague about it. Online is next and Horizon 3 is a "ways off". You can pretend that isn't what he said all you want.
Bernardougf
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Avengers assemble.
Little Chicken
Member
Horizon Online will just be like Monster Hunter, what else is there to do?
Group activities like climbing and hiding in waist-high reeds?...
DEI one
Group activities like climbing and hiding in waist-high reeds?...
DEI one
Bernardougf
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Why pay someone doing free constant PR astroturfing work for you.Might as well hireMen_in_Boxes
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I like how they worked on their GAAS game alongside Forbidden West for 4 years but this quote somehow means they stopped working on Horizon III.
You're making things up bud.
blastprocessor
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The remaster of ZD makes sense if that's true.
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clarky
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Thats the ingredients for pretty much every mmo? Unless your sarcasm just went right overy head.
Hypereides
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What if it turns out that Men_in_boxes is actually Hermen himself? That would explain a lot.
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fudgybrownie
Member
This over factions. Ugh. I enjoy taking down the big robots but I just don't see how Guerilla makes it work as a GAAS with the longevity needed to make the game survive.
Topher
Identifies as young
Nope. I'm simply going by what the guy said. If HFW is in full development and not hindered whatsoever by Horizon Online then what Schreier said is complete bullshit. If you have an issue then take it up with Schreier.
Hilarious though that you are in defense mode because you take this as a slight against your precious Gaas/live service model.
Auto_aim1
MeisaMcCaffrey
It was exaggerated for sure but you get the point.
clarky
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Everyone keeps mentioning Factions but ND were very clear, to continue developing that game would have took the entire studio. Would you give up the single player stuff they are working on indefinitely so that Factions could live?
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this finish the trilogy then do your gas shit.
We don't know that for sure though. Who saw Lego Horizon Adventures being a thing? The key word he said is "might" because he's not sure of their process and nothing is concrete.
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Bernardougf
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Its the same clown gaas bubble thats for sure.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
How quickly do you think Forbidden West could have released if they didn't start working on their multiplayer project in 2018? 5 years dev time is industry standard today.
Oh wait...I just realized you changed your position from "stopped" to "hindered".
Easy work.
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ByWatterson
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I see the usual "stAte of muH industReeee" orange-painted REE types are out.
This has all the components and could work. Live service is a gamble and it could fail massively.
But Sony has tasted success with literally their first try in Helldivers 2. They want more, they're gonna try, and Horizon is one of their better bets.
This has all the components and could work. Live service is a gamble and it could fail massively.
But Sony has tasted success with literally their first try in Helldivers 2. They want more, they're gonna try, and Horizon is one of their better bets.
DeepSpace5D
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I still maintain that hunting the machines online with friends could be very fun.
I reserve judgment until I see gameplay. A game being GaaS alone doesn’t make it a bad game.
I reserve judgment until I see gameplay. A game being GaaS alone doesn’t make it a bad game.
fudgybrownie
Member
That was just excuses in part thanks to bungie for opening their mouths. It didn't need to be a full on GAAS game. Just pack the game with modes and maps and people would buy it.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Incoming flop.
But that's not the vision they were going for what's so hard to understand about that. They wanted a very ambitious product like all recent Naughty Dog games and it would've taken the whole studio to keep it running. They decided against that and went back to making single player games solely nstead.
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clarky
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I'll take what they actually said over stuff you just made up.
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Nydius
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Zero Dawn came out in 2017.
Forbidden West came out in 2022.
Call of the Mountain in 2023.
LEGO spin-off in late 2024.
Two mainline entries and two spin-offs in 7 years.
In a 5 year span, all three mainline Uncharted PS3 games and two Vita spin-offs were released. I don’t recall hearing many people whine about “oversaturation” of the Uncharted IP.
Saying Horizon is oversaturated is a disingenuous argument that is a fancy way of saying “I didn’t like it”. Do I think it needs a GaaS? Hell no. The LEGO game will be the first real test of the strength of the IP outside of its main games.
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midnightAI
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Well live service is a gamble, so we will see. It could work well (I actually think a Destiny type model would work, fully playable solo pve and story, co-op dungeons (cauldrons), multiplayer arenas) or it could fail spectacularly like Concord (unlikely), or it could be anywhere in-between, we haven't even seen it or even had an announcement so I just dont have a clue how it will do or how many will want to play it.
Kacho
Gold Member
I think it’s more, does the player base Sony cultivated over the years with single player games want GAAS games? Ubisoft spent the last 6 years doing the same with disastrous results.
Men_in_Boxes
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Monster Hunter Wilds looks awesome!
But also...
Who asked for a Horizon monster hunting game? This game is DOA!
GAF is not always the brightest.
midnightAI
Member
I think what has happened with Horizon is we have also had PC ports in those years also which seems to inflate just how many games have been released, TLoU has somewhat been foul to this also but that has had many remasters across gens so I kinda get it with that, would still love to see TLoU3 made for PS5/Pro though
midnightAI
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clarky
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Difference is the Uncharted IP is ten times more appealing than Horizons.
DeepSpace5D
Member
I think the PlayStation user base plays a large variety of games, not just single player. Games like Destiny 2, GT7, Helldivers II, have a healthy amount of players on PlayStation. I don’t think a game being GaaS automatically makes it undesirable. It depends on the individual game in question.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Well said.
I've completely disregarded anyone who's said "oversaturation" after hearing it non stop about Call of Duty in 2010. It's not a real concept. It's an "I want it to be real" concept.
Angry_Megalodon
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You can't compare the popularity of the two.
Yes, Horizon's world has a lot of elements for a great GaaS, but I don't trust Sony for this. It will 100% flop.
You can't compare the popularity of the two.
Yes, Horizon's world has a lot of elements for a great GaaS, but I don't trust Sony for this. It will 100% flop.
AmuroChan
Member
I think you're right in that on the average people loved Uncharted but not Horizon, but also those Uncharted Vita games probably didn't exist in most people's minds since so few people owned a Vita.
wipeout364
Member
I think both Horizon and Killzone could be launched as successful GaaS.
Horizon could as mentioned be a Monster hunter/Diablo 4 hybrid.
Killzone has enough brand recognition that would probably see it be able to launch as a PVP,PVE shooter or extraction type game.
Both would need to be FTP to have success and have crossplay with PC.
I’m not a big PlayStation guy but I would be interested in trying both of those games.
Horizon could as mentioned be a Monster hunter/Diablo 4 hybrid.
Killzone has enough brand recognition that would probably see it be able to launch as a PVP,PVE shooter or extraction type game.
Both would need to be FTP to have success and have crossplay with PC.
I’m not a big PlayStation guy but I would be interested in trying both of those games.
Topher
Identifies as young
I never said "stopped" at all, now did I? But yeah, I'm not going to hold hard to the game isn't "being worked on" at all. That was my initial take and perhaps too strong. If it is being "hindered" or "not priority" or however the hell you want to say it, Horizon 3 is a "ways off" and Schreier's point is that is because Horizon Online is the "next product". So I don't really give a shit what happened in 2018. Priorities can change pretty damn fast. Just look at Naughty Dog.
Varteras
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Same people are looking forward to the next Call of Duty.
Madserb2023
Member
Concord was definitely a joke.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
You said...
"He says the third game isn't being worked on until Horizon Online is done."
GAAS Derangement Syndrome is a real thing.
You took the L on this one. Perhaps you will serve me one down the road. Such is life.
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