He said it "MAY" be a ways off because he's uncertain. Words mean things. This could be another co-developement like Call of the Mountain and Lego Adventures that isn't solely being worked on by Guerilla.
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Jason Schreier "Horizon Online Next for Guerilla, Horizon 3 'Ways off', Sony's Live Service Initiative was no joke"
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dmaul1114
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They're not going to give up after one big failure. They'll ride out several hoping to have more successes line Helldivers 2 while hoping to find their own Fortnite type of money printing machine.
Sucks as I'm most a single player gamer, but is what it is with corporations chasing huge profit potentials rather than being content with past huge profits when focusing mostly on single player games.
Sucks as I'm most a single player gamer, but is what it is with corporations chasing huge profit potentials rather than being content with past huge profits when focusing mostly on single player games.
balls of snow
Member
Ehh.. public wont even see the reveal. If Marathon crash and burn like I suspect it will (maybe, Bungie never made a flop so its up in the air) then Sony will pivot so hard like what the did to Tlou online.
Bit crafty not to mention the meaty expansions for the original game, and then burning shores expansion last year.
Guerillla also hopes you’ll play the original again after the remaster releases.
Bradamante3D
Member
Naah, I wouldn't be so down on Horizon Online as you guys are. It will probably be a Monster Hunter in the Horizon world, i.e. with a permanent sunset orange tint. Other than that they will probably tone down the GaaS aspects after the Concort disaster and you might have a good game here.
Topher
Gold Member
Then you are grasping for a W. Suggesting my wording was too harsh doesn't change the crux of my point that live service is impacting single player output at GG.
That's just phrasing. He was clearly suggesting Horizon 3 would be a "ways off" after Online.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
You said "He says the third game isn't being worked on until Horizon Online is done."
Clearly he doesn't say this.
2022 (Forbidden West release)...5 or 6 years dev time...2027/2028 (Horizon 3 release)
That's a ways off.
Topher
Gold Member
No shit. I've already acknowledged that my paraphrasing was too strong.
I don't think that is what Schreier is suggesting here at all, but if that is how this all shakes out then I'd say he was full of shit for suggesting Online was impacting H3's release.
Tomi
Member
They will destroy whole profit what they earned from horizon games on this stupid gaas game?
Who the hell is sitting at those desks and making idiotic decisions like this one???
Are you retarded or what???
Gaas wont pass and it will flop very hard...
I understand its hard to stop developing now, but it's only way
Stop waisting money on something people wont play
Who the hell is sitting at those desks and making idiotic decisions like this one???
Are you retarded or what???
Gaas wont pass and it will flop very hard...
I understand its hard to stop developing now, but it's only way
Stop waisting money on something people wont play
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
You really should consider that GAAS might actually be the future of videogames. At least in the same way 3D was after the 2D era.
It always amazes me how people who enjoy interacting with others on a message board can't envision game design advancing to a similar place. As if gen 1 GAAS isn't going to get demolished by gen 3 GAAS.
Dr. Wilkinson
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Unless it’s a full MMO on the level of WoW or FfXIV, or ESO, this will fail miserably.
Huuuuge risk for them to take, imho. They’d be better off pivoting to Horizon 3 and just fixing the issues that Forbidden West had, and making it as huge & amazing as possible. That’s the only way to compete now. It either is on the level with Witcher 3, BotW, Skyrim, RDR2, or it’s just gonna fade and be a mid-seller.
Huuuuge risk for them to take, imho. They’d be better off pivoting to Horizon 3 and just fixing the issues that Forbidden West had, and making it as huge & amazing as possible. That’s the only way to compete now. It either is on the level with Witcher 3, BotW, Skyrim, RDR2, or it’s just gonna fade and be a mid-seller.
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RCX
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Horizon is the videogame equivalent of Avatar.
Financially very successful with zero cultural impact.
I've played both games and the only thing I can really remember about them is that they look nice and the main character is insufferable.
I get it, making new IPs is hard. I just wish they'd gone all-in on some other franchise.
Financially very successful with zero cultural impact.
I've played both games and the only thing I can really remember about them is that they look nice and the main character is insufferable.
I get it, making new IPs is hard. I just wish they'd gone all-in on some other franchise.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
It wasn't too strong - it was wrong.
Sleepwalker
Member
I thnk Horizon Online could be fun, you get to make a character and not be alloy lol
Dundar
Member
It always made me laugh when ppl actually believed all that kool aid. Developers are counted, you can invest budget in a project but you'll never have free, out-of-the-arsehole, specialized workmanship
Topher
Gold Member
I wasn't quoting him directly and still doesn't change the overall point that Horizon 3's development is being impacted by Online.
Exactly. Also Helldivers 2, GT, MLB have all been successful. People just desperately want all of the GAAS to fail so they’re rewriting history after one bomb, but that’s not how the gambit works.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The ironic part is that the one game from a popular franchise, that was building on an established MP mode instead of sheohorning something new, i-e Factions, got canceled.
That's the one game that could have done well for their GaaS initiative.
That's the one game that could have done well for their GaaS initiative.
Radical_3d
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The only reason neither Xbox or PlayStation aren’t leaving the industry is that they both decided to be r-word at the same time. Thank God for Space Marine II.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
Yeah, this is no joke...
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Hard to say this when we haven't seen a lick of gameplay and knew nothing about its development.
IP gets people to notice, but doesn't get people to stick around. That's why you see so much new IP in the GAAS space.
Kacho
Gold Member
GAAS is lowest common denominator gaming. No one doubts its huge, or that it makes companies a lot money. As long as there’s a large number of idiots willing to spend their paycheck on MUT cards and useless cosmetics, these companies will continue to go after them.
However that doesn’t mean single player games don’t have a place. GAAS will always have a place, just like mobile gaming, but they will never be the only thing just because they’re big.
James Sawyer Ford
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So far it’s been far from it with Helldivers 2 success
Physiognomonics
Member
Good point. Factions formula was working pretty well and they just should have built from that instead of aiming at earning quick billions. By the way Guerrilla also have a MP formula that works pretty well and is fun! This is Killzone Shadow Fall MP. But obviously Killzone is not woke enough (and will never be) and Hulst obviously wants to focus on his baby.
They bought the studios just before the release of the game. Which is a sequel from a passionate team. They just got lucky. I doubt they make $400 million + the cost of Helldivers devs acquisition with that one game. Easier to double the price of an Horizon game for that...
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bender
What time is it?
GaaS being shoehorned into an intended multiplayer addon, established or not, isn't a much better scenario and might actually be worse than designing something for the ground up as a GaaS offering.
And while I'm no fan of Horizon, I see potential in a Monster Hunter style GaaS offering or at least as much as a multiplayer 3rd person cover shooter. I'm not sure ND or Guerilla were the right ones to task with these projects in the first place though.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Consider the payment model as being the least interesting thing about GAAS. It's like obsessing over the glovebox in a 24' Corvette.
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Kacho
Gold Member
The payment model is why they exist.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
The payment model is why all commercial products exist. It's still the least fascinating part of the medium.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
LMJ
Member
Aloy is a fine character, however she is also being overused through no fault of her own...
Every time Horizon is mentioned regardless if its a PC port or remaster or spinoff the brand loses appeal to many hence OVER SATUARTION
look I'm looking forward to the next mainline Horizon, but the sentiment amongst many gamers is that the lego game looks meh, the reaction to the remaster is meh, and while I believe an online Horizon game could be amazing ALA Monster hunter if they announce it to soon many will write it off unless it looks polished and amazing.
Like it or not they are hurting the brand, I still say HZD great story, and has some of the best enemy encounter design I've ever seen, but Aloy is just not likable enough or charismatic enough of a character there's a reason she isn't the face of PS despite her studios creator being the freaking Sony CEO.
Aloy is fine in her universe, but she is the face of horizon and she's just not a Mario or Sonic or Crash
Kacho
Gold Member
Studios hire psychologists for their GAAS games so they can maximize how much money they can extract from the player base over the course of the games life cycle.
Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
Imagine how many great games died for this slop.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Psychologists have been used in all sorts of commercial fields to sell product, including single player games. Nothing new there.
That's the 2nd least fascinating aspect of GAAS.
Zathalus
Member
One mildly successful GaaS does not really make up for all the other fuck ups.
VictorVectors
Member
I’m pretty excited for PlayStation in 2028.
Potentially simpler, stronger titles on PS6 in a launch window including in stock hardware considering the destruction of faith this gen
Potentially simpler, stronger titles on PS6 in a launch window including in stock hardware considering the destruction of faith this gen
James Sawyer Ford
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Kacho
Gold Member
Your original argument is GAAS is the future of gaming, implying single player games are on their way out. However you have yet to offer a compelling reason as to why that is other than GAAS popular.
Now we’re going down a different road about how GAAS are fascinating but you can’t quantify that.
clarky
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None?
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