PhantomZone
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AgentOtaku
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This is....just bizarre
Cant deny that Smith was my Messiah in the late 90s tho :/
Also, i really need to go ahead and see just how bad Yoga Hosers is
Cant deny that Smith was my Messiah in the late 90s tho :/
Also, i really need to go ahead and see just how bad Yoga Hosers is
No you really don't. The only redeemable thing about it is why he made it, and that's something you can get in the podcasts that does not apply to the film.
It's trash.
AgentOtaku
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Yeah I heard him on Joe rogans podcast. Isnt it essentially made for his daughter and her friends?
I even think Mallrats is pretty funny.
That and he felt there was no young teen adventure films aimed at girls, but yeah vanity project with a cute and warmhearted origin but the resulting film is painful to watch.
I never bothered cause Im not the targrt audience. I think ive seen most smith films except dogma..maybr its on netflix
I feel like I'm one of the few people who enjoys Kevin Smith's movies. I think they're fun, silly, and entertaining. I loved Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back because of how much of a live action cartoon it was, so I'm looking forward to this new entry.
Smith seems like a decent enough dude, and he has talent behind the director's chair and the writer's desk, so I don't see the hate for him. To each his own, however. I can't stand Quentin Tarantino, for example, but I've enjoyed a handful of his movies.
Smith seems like a decent enough dude, and he has talent behind the director's chair and the writer's desk, so I don't see the hate for him. To each his own, however. I can't stand Quentin Tarantino, for example, but I've enjoyed a handful of his movies.
I only watched it cause it was on Netflix and I was babysitting my niece.
Ban Puncher
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I blame Seth Rogen for getting Kevin Smith into weed during the shooting of Zack & Miri because it's all been downhill since then.
I blame Seth Rogen for lots of other things too.
I blame Seth Rogen for lots of other things too.
Wow id assumed he had always smoked cause of blunt man and chronic
No Jason was the one doing everything. Kevin Smith was clean until Seth Rogan. It has really messed with his stuff. He has a weird thing with Bruce Willis because he called him a worthless stoner basically.
I like Kevin Smith. He's made some good (and bad) films, and seems like a decent guy.
I definitely think the quality of his output declined post Dogma, and although I loved Chasing Amy at the time watching that film now is torture outside of a few funny bits. Clerks 2 had some laughs though.
The story is actually hilarious though, same as with the story of his beef with Tim Burton, and his story about shooting a Prince documentary (which is unreal). You can find these things on Youtube pretty easily, they're worth a watch.
I definitely think the quality of his output declined post Dogma, and although I loved Chasing Amy at the time watching that film now is torture outside of a few funny bits. Clerks 2 had some laughs though.
The story is actually hilarious though, same as with the story of his beef with Tim Burton, and his story about shooting a Prince documentary (which is unreal). You can find these things on Youtube pretty easily, they're worth a watch.
Randal dropped out
It was more than that, the studio was pissed at willis's phoned in performance and forced him to reshoot most of the movie. And even with it being a failure the studio offered Kevin more work after Cop Out but he had such a bad experience he said no.
Plus there are quite a few other stories floating around about Bruce being a dick and hard to work with from enough legitimate places with no connection to each other for me to think Kevin is probably in the right on this one.
Well I think it's more after his experience of working with him on Copout that lead to them really falling out with Bruce Willis supposedly being a major asshole on that film. Of course we weren't there but he's alluded to a lot more stuff happening on set that he won't talk about but who knows really.
But then Sly Stallone called out Bruce Willis as well for being 'greedy and lazy' so it wouldn't surprise me.
Yeah Bruce is definitely a dick as well but when him and the crew said Kevin would just sit in the directors chair stoned and hardly do anything there is probably some truth to that as well. However Cop out in particular seemed like it was a mess.
True we don't know the whole story but his stuff has definitely taken a hit lately.
Stairouais
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Post Zack & Miri depression seemed geniune on the podcast. It seemed that everybody led him to believe that it was gonna be his big breakout film, and it was a fluke. I grew tired of the guy, and I stopped listening to the Smodcast a longtime ago, but at the time, I kinda felt for him.
Still, He probably drop out due to the bad payment experience he had from Clerks 2.
I don't disagree about Kevin. The TV work he's doing is for the best. It's impossible for him to fuck up those shows and it leads to great material for the podcasts, which is really where his focus should be.
Ah ok wasnt aware of this. Ive also heard he hates acting and being recognized as randal. Cant blame the guy
True his Flash stuff seems to be going well. He really has a lot of passion for that work and talks about it a lot. It's really funny that his shift to directing that stuff was because Jason just had his wife ask the network if Kevin could direct. The story just makes it sound so ridiculously simple.
Yup. I think he just got asked back for a third supergirl, which started as one episode.
Maybe it was Rosario Dawson? I know Anderson wasn't too keen on the idea but I see Dawson not feeling the need to do it with how many bigger roles she's been getting lately.
Ban Puncher
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Bruce Willis is famous for 'phoning it in' for over a decade now.
cj_iwakura
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The convenience store scenes with Harley and Lily Rose are genuinely witty and funny. They have great chemistry. That's about it, rest of the movie is trash.
He even mentioned himself that it's hard for him to fuck it up as well as it's such a well oiled machine too, especially the CW shows and he works with a lot of great people.
Yeah this. I think Jeff Anderson wouldn't drop.
Too bad that music career never took off...
What's always struck me as really odd is according to Kevin Smith them working together was Willis idea after working with Smith on Die Hard and then Willis totally phones it in. This wasn't Bruce in dire need of money and saying yes to anything. Smith would never made this film if it wasn't for Willis.
I highly doubt her character would be one of the four leads. Her not being in the movie could be explained with one sentence (divorce/dead/holiday with her parents/whatever)
Yeah that was weird.
waveuponwave
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I'd rather have a dogma sequel
But I don't think it could happen today. too much sensitivity about religion
But I don't think it could happen today. too much sensitivity about religion
was never a massive fan of his films but i really think he carved a great niche for himself with his podcasts. so i guess i'm a big fan of kevin smith the person. just havent watched many of his films.
struggling to understand why he's getting so much hate though. its not like he's trying to create critically acclaimed work right now. he's just bootstrapping movies for fun with his own ideas directly aimed at fans of his podcast.
struggling to understand why he's getting so much hate though. its not like he's trying to create critically acclaimed work right now. he's just bootstrapping movies for fun with his own ideas directly aimed at fans of his podcast.
cj_iwakura
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Probably because he's capable of so much better. Chasing Amy and Dogma are well written and are great looks at relationships and religion. Dialogue is his specialty, not tweens fighting sausage nazis. Tusk had a lot of strong dialogue scenes, as did Red State, probably why they're the best of his post-Askew films.
a lot of people in here seem to be saying he should never make movies again. it sounds like tusk and yoga hosers were gutter trash. but i saw red state and it wasnt terrible. copout had development issues sure but that was a bog standard studio movie. so i dunno. thats 2 shit movies in the space of 2 years. whats so offensive about that? even spielberg had a brief turd making period of his career (by his standard).
Smith just isn't a very good writer. His dialogue can be snappy/fresh (well, it was in the 90s..), and he can be funny, but - Clerks aside - he's never produced anything that lives up to the potential of its premise.
He's got some good ideas, but he's not good enough to get them made.
I'm always interested in his new work though, just in case he proves my assessment wrong.
And don't get me wrong: Mallrats, Chasing Amy, I enjoyed his films growing up and I still think they have value, I just can't find myself to care at all whether he makes something new or not.
He's got some good ideas, but he's not good enough to get them made.
I'm always interested in his new work though, just in case he proves my assessment wrong.
And don't get me wrong: Mallrats, Chasing Amy, I enjoyed his films growing up and I still think they have value, I just can't find myself to care at all whether he makes something new or not.
cj_iwakura
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Tusk is a very well made, genuinely disturbing film. You can tell he put a lot of love into that crazy movie.
Yoga Hosers is, yes, gutter trash.
It's pretty telling that A24 did Tusk, but no one wanted to touch YH. I just hope Moose Jaws gets made, because that sounds like the right kind of crazy.
Damn I was really looking forward to this.
TarpitCarnivore
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Being from NJ, and now 5 minutes from "his" comic shop, I am so over the Kevin Smith worship.
His most well known movies are time capsules and that's really it. They didn't age well at all and the juvenile humor is just too much. The whole thing just gets so old so fast.
His most well known movies are time capsules and that's really it. They didn't age well at all and the juvenile humor is just too much. The whole thing just gets so old so fast.
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