Jay-Z's Magna Carta Holy Grail |OT| Can't Be As Bad As Kingdom Come or BP3

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Angelus Errare said:
BP - What he did decades ago as a coke dealer
BP2 - Less about being a dealer and more about how awesome he is
Black Album - His personal life...as a coke dealer
Kingdom Come - Trying to be politically deep...drowned in the shallow water
American Gangster - What he did decades ago as a coke dealer
BP3 - "I wanna be artsy like Kanye!"
Magna Carta Holy Grail - "I think I figured out how to be artsy like Kanye"
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Not for nothing your right that's been his career arch since 2001

WTT - "Kanye can you show me how to be artsy"
 
This is the first time I've seen these:

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Frank x Justin has to happen. Jay can kick in a verse too.
 
The production in those vids seems... surprisingly dope, cautiously optimistic but I don't think Jay has it in him to drop a good album anymore let alone a killer verse. Hope it keeps me awake longer than born sinner.
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I don't even like Jay Z at all (Like Kanye better) but there is NO way this can be worse than Yeezus. That had to be the worst album I've heard in years.
 
You don't have to be a Ye Stan to notice Jay has been riding Ye's coattails for the better half of the last decade. That's just exposing you as a Jay Stan. In fact, it's much more disappointing than laughable considering how much bigger Jay is.

Keep talking like Jay hasn't been stealing all of the names and brands Ye has been bringing up, modeling his own look after Ye's, hunting down who Ye has just worked with to work with them, having Ye come in and completely change the direction of his last solo, and modeling his marketing schemes off of what Ye wanted for WTT and Yeezus. Jays biggest musical achievement since BP3? Watering down WTT so much by demanding it be radio friendly that No I.D. didnt want to fuck with it anymore and left the project.

Jay heralds himself as the leader of the game and in many ways he still is because of his mass appeal and accomplishments, but when your muse is your right hand man who has been the poster child for ambition and change in rap, it just makes it look worse for Jay. We all expect more of him and its just a bit disappointing hearing Jay parrot Basquiat over and over at this point. I hope MCHG changes things a bit, and the production sounds really promising, but I find it sad that in the intermediary period between albums I feel like I don't need or want another Jay album. I want the man who made The Black Album to prosper musically, but it's hard when he's dropping a few legitimate gems on overall jayzokay.gif albums.

I sorta wish he stuck with the "world album" concept for BP3, now that sounded like some actual ambition out of Jay to get excited about.
 
Westlo said:
smh @ these Kanye stans, I bet they weren't even checking for Kanye when he dropped Through the Wire.
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Byakuya769 said:
Yeezus - artsy to back-packers with bookless backpacks.
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Byakuya769 said:
Think that was a better line than anything in Yeezus. Bravo.
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Mayyhem said:
I don't even like Jay Z at all (Like Kanye better) but there is NO way this can be worse than Yeezus. That had to be the worst album I've heard in years.
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All this delicious hate, why is everyone suddenly venting against yeezus in the camel's thread. Anyway, excited for the production. I don't think Jay gives a shit when he writes lines any more.
 
enzo_gt said:
You don't have to be a Ye Stan to notice Jay has been riding Ye's coattails for the better half of the last decade. That's just exposing you as a Jay Stan. In fact, it's much more disappointing than laughable considering how much bigger Jay is.

Keep talking like Jay hasn't been stealing all of the names and brands Ye has been bringing up, modeling his own look after Ye's, hunting down who Ye has just worked with to work with them, having Ye come in and completely change the direction of his last solo, and modeling his marketing schemes off of what Ye wanted for WTT and Yeezus. Jays biggest musical achievement since BP3? Watering down WTT so much by demanding it be radio friendly that No I.D. didnt want to fuck with it anymore and left the project.

Jay heralds himself as the leader of the game and in many ways he still is because of his mass appeal and accomplishments, but when your muse is your right hand man who has been the poster child for ambition and change in rap, it just makes it look worse for Jay. We all expect more of him and its just a bit disappointing hearing Jay parrot Basquiat over and over at this point. I hope MCHG changes things a bit, and the production sounds really promising, but I find it sad that in the intermediary period between albums I feel like I don't need or want another Jay album. I want the man who made The Black Album to prosper musically, but it's hard when he's dropping a few legitimate gems on overall jayzokay.gif albums.

I sorta wish he stuck with the "world album" concept for BP3, now that sounded like some actual ambition out of Jay to get excited about.
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Godamn. This is spot on.
 
enzo_gt said:
You don't have to be a Ye Stan to notice Jay has been riding Ye's coattails for the better half of the last decade. That's just exposing you as a Jay Stan. In fact, it's much more disappointing than laughable considering how much bigger Jay is.

Keep talking like Jay hasn't been stealing all of the names and brands Ye has been bringing up, modeling his own look after Ye's, hunting down who Ye has just worked with to work with them, having Ye come in and completely change the direction of his last solo, and modeling his marketing schemes off of what Ye wanted for WTT and Yeezus. Jays biggest musical achievement since BP3? Watering down WTT so much by demanding it be radio friendly that No I.D. didnt want to fuck with it anymore and left the project.

Jay heralds himself as the leader of the game and in many ways he still is because of his mass appeal and accomplishments, but when your muse is your right hand man who has been the poster child for ambition and change in rap, it just makes it look worse for Jay. We all expect more of him and its just a bit disappointing hearing Jay parrot Basquiat over and over at this point. I hope MCHG changes things a bit, and the production sounds really promising, but I find it sad that in the intermediary period between albums I feel like I don't need or want another Jay album. I want the man who made The Black Album to prosper musically, but it's hard when he's dropping a few legitimate gems on overall jayzokay.gif albums.

I sorta wish he stuck with the "world album" concept for BP3, now that sounded like some actual ambition out of Jay to get excited about.
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solarus said:
All this delicious hate, why is everyone suddenly venting against yeezus in the camel's thread. Anyway, excited for the production. I don't think Jay gives a shit when he writes lines any more.
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Are you reading the thread? This didn't come out of thin air.

Enter The 36 Chambers said:
The alarm bells in Yeezus HQ went off as soon as this thread popped up. Ninja running down stairs and suiting up, sliding down fire poles and running to the battlestations..
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Haha, hell yeah. Hey, but at least it outsold born sinner??? (Barely)
 
I've never paid any attention to Jay Z but that first track in the trailer with the piano...absolutely amazing.

EDIT: Looks like it's called Heaven. Sounds great.
 
Byakuya769 said:
-_-

Not looking good.
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I'm avoiding reading the lyrics entirely. I read some, and maybe it's just the way they're formatted, but it just makes it all look 100x less impressive like a baby's first rhymes.

Looking forward more to the production anyways, so I can wait to see how he rides those beats.
 
enzo_gt said:
You don't have to be a Ye Stan to notice Jay has been riding Ye's coattails for the better half of the last decade. That's just exposing you as a Jay Stan. In fact, it's much more disappointing than laughable considering how much bigger Jay is.

Keep talking like Jay hasn't been stealing all of the names and brands Ye has been bringing up, modeling his own look after Ye's, hunting down who Ye has just worked with to work with them, having Ye come in and completely change the direction of his last solo, and modeling his marketing schemes off of what Ye wanted for WTT and Yeezus. Jays biggest musical achievement since BP3? Watering down WTT so much by demanding it be radio friendly that No I.D. didnt want to fuck with it anymore and left the project.

Jay heralds himself as the leader of the game and in many ways he still is because of his mass appeal and accomplishments, but when your muse is your right hand man who has been the poster child for ambition and change in rap, it just makes it look worse for Jay. We all expect more of him and its just a bit disappointing hearing Jay parrot Basquiat over and over at this point. I hope MCHG changes things a bit, and the production sounds really promising, but I find it sad that in the intermediary period between albums I feel like I don't need or want another Jay album. I want the man who made The Black Album to prosper musically, but it's hard when he's dropping a few legitimate gems on overall jayzokay.gif albums.

I sorta wish he stuck with the "world album" concept for BP3, now that sounded like some actual ambition out of Jay to get excited about.
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Preach.
 
Jay-Z Creatively Puts Frank Ocean on a Song Called 'Oceans'
And producer Mike WiLL Made It worked on "Beach Is Better"

Another day, another set of lyrics from Jay-Z's forthcoming album Magna Carter Holy Grail. Today brings "Oceans," a track that features — hey, would you look at that — Frank Ocean, who recently appeared alongside Jay on two Watch the Throne tracks. The song, maybe uncoincidentally, is thematically aligned with Watch the Throne — it features Jay describing himself pouring champagne into the Ivory Coast as he contemplates the lives of his ancestors who traversed that water in slave ships. Jay further explains the track, which follows the lyrics released for "Holy Grail" and "Heaven," in a clip posted to YouTube.

Aside from Timberlake, who appears on "Holy Grail," Ocean, and producers Timbaland and Pharrell shown in the album's initial commercial, the collaborators for Magna Carta Holy Grail have been kept close to the vest. But it appears as if Mike Will Made It, rap's undisputed top producer of 2013, worked on "Beach Is Better," the album's fifth track. Mike Will recently posted photos of himself in the studio with Jay-Z and Timbaland, and made a not-so-subtle tweet implying his hand in the track. The "Oceans" lyrics are below.
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