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[HeisenbergFX4]

dork

 

[clarky]

These dudes act like there aren't other options. They want the best for cheap. Even trying to tell others how to spend their hard earned money. Yeah and I wish Remy Martin Louis XIII cost the same as some liquor store E&J. Not happening.

Most of the arguments in here are not in good faith.

Like i saif earlier the top tier card has always been aimed at the super enthusiast and priced much much higher than the next best. Nothing is new here.

 

[FeralEcho]

Translation: You dumb fcks will buy anything I'm selling so get your asses in line and pay cuz I'm eyeing some new jackets.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Most of the arguments in here are not in good faith.

Like i saif earlier the top tier card has always been aimed at the super enthusiast and priced much much higher than the next best. Nothing is new here.

It’s just amusing to me people melting down

Calling me a dork like bender did I can not dispute, my wife calls me that in a loving manner (how I think anyhow) almost daily

But dumb or stupid or whatever that is one thing I am not

 

[clarky]

It’s just amusing to me people melting down

Calling me a dork like bender did I can not dispute, my wife calls me that in a loving manner (how I think anyhow) almost daily

But dumb or stupid or whatever that is one thing I am not

Wonder how many folks in here are walking around with a $1k phone in their pocket? Or buy Apple or Razer products?

But thats different right?

 

[Spiral1407]

Damn, some of you guys are rich af

 

[lh032]

I woudn't buy a 5090 either, but it's still a comparatively cheap hobby and other people buy 500 Euro PS5+ 800 Euro PS5 Pro + 250 Euro controller. Not to forget >500 Euro for one gen online fee + 80 Euro for each new game while pc players save a lot on both. I wouldn't call others stupid, because they want and can spend more money for a better experience.

you are comparing the price of a GPU to a whole console . Not to mention alot of the PC users may upgrade other PC parts within a few years as well.

And theres discount on console, not everybody just jump and buy full price games.

Tbf, console has less cheaters online, so theres pros over PC. Theres a reason why alot of console gamers prefer to disable cross play with PC.

 

[Cakeboxer]

you are comparing the price of a GPU to a whole console .Not to mention alot of the PC users may upgrade other PC parts within a few years.

And theres discount on console, not everybody just jump and buy full price games.

Just saying there are console people too that spend tons of money, doesn't make them stupid.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Damn, some of you guys are rich af

So on these forums awhile back I mentioned a couple of places I like to eat in Miami and a guy whispered me here saying he was just there the night prior.

We chatted for a few months and decided to meet up at said eatery and especially our wifes became super fast friends

Their condo on South Beach is worth probably 50 million and they have places in Arizona and Italy so yeah dude is rich af

All that said on his scale of expensive where do people think a $2000 GPU lands?

 

[Miles708]

Just saying there are console people too that spend tons of money, doesn't make them stupid.

Yes it does

 

[MikeM]

So on these forums awhile back I mentioned a couple of places I like to eat in Miami and a guy whispered me here saying he was just there the night prior.

We chatted for a few months and decided to meet up at said eatery and especially our wifes became super fast friends

Their condo on South Beach is worth probably 50 million and they have places in Arizona and Italy so yeah dude is rich af

All that said on his scale of expensive where do people think a $2000 GPU lands?

My dad spent $15k on a snowmobile. $2k for a hobby is nothing today.

 

[Schmendrick]

Yes it does

if they don`t have the money, then yeah.
People that have to finance a fucking GPU/console or really any unnecessary luxury article need a smack on the head....probably more than one actually.
But people with money literally lying around........what`s the issue? (ignoring possibly not wanting to support the company`s practices)

 

[Miles708]

if they don`t have the money, then yeah.
People that have to finance a fucking GPU/console or really any unnecessary luxury article need a smack on the head....probably more than one actually.
But people with money literally lying around........what`s the issue? (ignoring possibly not wanting to support the company`s practices)

At this point the effect of the whales guiding the market are clear, see gpu prices, gatcha games, dlcs, overpriced and still unreliable hardware and accessories, etc.

The blame is in the consumer, and whales are the most egregious problem

 

[SmokedMeat]

Jensen- Just keep accepting those $500 jumps each generation. Remember! You want the best!

 

[clarky]

So on these forums awhile back I mentioned a couple of places I like to eat in Miami and a guy whispered me here saying he was just there the night prior.

We chatted for a few months and decided to meet up at said eatery and especially our wifes became super fast friends

Their condo on South Beach is worth probably 50 million and they have places in Arizona and Italy so yeah dude is rich af

All that said on his scale of expensive where do people think a $2000 GPU lands?

That reminds me, your shout at the Miami place next time we meet.

Edit. Shit that was meant to be a PM.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

That reminds me, your shout at the Miami place next time we meet.

Per usual best steak is Smith and Wollensky in South Beach

 

[cart00nero]

Carrots and donkeys...

 

[clarky]

At this point the effect of the whales guiding the market are clear, see gpu prices, gatcha games, dlcs, overpriced and still unreliable hardware and accessories, etc.

The blame is in the consumer, and whales are the most egregious problem

Nonsense. Whales? What are you talking about. There are expensive top of the range luxury items in every market.

Shit a nice Moncler or Stone Island coat will set you back more than the cost of this GPU. People sure are riled up about nothing.

 

[clarky]

Carrots and donkeys...

Peasants and bread...

 

[MikeM]

At this point the effect of the whales guiding the market are clear, see gpu prices, gatcha games, dlcs, overpriced and still unreliable hardware and accessories, etc.

The blame is in the consumer, and whales are the most egregious problem

Agreed but the market is speaking. Sucks but not much we can do about it if people with money can and will outspend those without.

I will say that the 5090 isn’t really for gaming. Obviously it will slap hard at it but its more production oriented than the others.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Agreed but the market is speaking. Sucks but not much we can do about it.

I will say that the 5090 isn’t really for gaming. Obviously it will slap hard at it but its more production oriented than the others.

Will it really slap hard though?

That Wukong video showing something only 28 fps in native 4k before DLSS

Just me but I expected a little more

 

[Schmendrick]

At this point the effect of the whales guiding the market are clear, see gpu prices, gatcha games, dlcs, overpriced and still unreliable hardware and accessories, etc.

The blame is in the consumer, and whales are the most egregious problem

I´d agree if we`d be talking about the pricing throughout the whole stack, which is still very expensive mind you, but not absurdly so. But we`re specifically talking about a ferrari here, a halo product. That thing`s pricing is basically completely irrelevant.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I´d agree if we`d be talking about the pricing throughout the whole stack, which is still very expensive mind you, but not absurdly so. But we`re specifically talking about a ferrari here, a halo product. That thing`s pricing is basically completely irrelevant.

For sure not targeting mainstream yet the mainstream is upset about it

 

[Schmendrick]

For sure not targeting mainstream yet the mainstream is upset about it

I´d not go so far to claim that.
We´re sitting in our little enthusiast echochamber here on this gaming board. I doubt that what we see here or from some vocal Twitterpeople is representative for the mainstream. The real mainstream picks a PC with a COD or FIFA sticker and is done with anything hardware and doesn`t care about specifics beyond that. Just like non-petrolheads see a ferrari and go "k" and have forgotten about it mere seconds later.

 

[Mister Wolf]

For sure not targeting mainstream yet the mainstream is upset about it

 

[ThisIsMyDog]

You have money and want to buy it, buy it, if you not there is a lot of GPUs much cheaper for you. I don't know what this bitching is about, enthusiasts level card costing enthusiasts level money, lol. Like me my whole life im on low, maximum mid level hardware from smartphones, TVs to PC parts, still can have fun, don't need RTX5090 or iPhone 16 Pro Max, it's just not for my budget and thats fine, i can buy cheap Chinese brand smartphone on android and RTX5060ti.

 

[MikeM]

Will it really slap hard though?

That Wukong video showing something only 28 fps in native 4k before DLSS

Just me but I expected a little more

There’s no real benches but I saw a raster video of Nvidia’s 4090 release and compared to the 5090 release. Both had normal raster numbers and the 5090 showed about 30-35% uplift over 4090. CP2077 full RT.

Im trying to locate the black myth video. Link?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

There’s no real benches but I saw a raster video of Nvidia’s 4090 release and compared to the 5090 release. Both had normal raster numbers and the 5090 showed about 30-35% uplift over 4090. CP2077 full RT.

Im trying to locate the black myth video. Link?

Starts at 13:30 if timestamp doesnt work

29 FPS max settings on a 5090 no DLSS just standing still

 

[MikeM]

Starts at 13:30 if timestamp doesnt work

29 FPS max settings on a 5090 no DLSS just standing still

Going off of other 4090 videos, seems to be a 15% uplift there. I wonder if the real uplift in in very heavy RT workloads and less so on the raster side as it seems that CP2077 is getting a far larger uplift.

The upcoming reviews will be interesting.

 

[clarky]

Starts at 13:30 if timestamp doesnt work

29 FPS max settings on a 5090 no DLSS just standing still

I think this card will be very underwhelming.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I think this card will be very underwhelming.

I fear it will be as well

If my 4090 wouldn't have died I would be waiting on real reviews and starting to think I may anyhow with this 9800X3D 4080 Super PC I am using, at least until Gamersnexus or the likes get real numbers out there

 

[clarky]

I fear it will be as well

If my 4090 wouldn't have died I would be waiting on real reviews and starting to think I may anyhow with this 9800X3D 4080 Super PC I am using, at least until Gamersnexus or the likes get real numbers out there

I'll bag the 5090 laptop for sure as there's other features that I want an upgrade on. Screen, CPU etc . The desktop variant I think I'll wait until the 60 series. I'm on the road too much right now to justify such a measly uplift at home.

 

[CoreyFlawless]

I mean, he not wrong. The ppl that go after the 90’s are mostly the ones with them crazy high setup. That all together easily getting close to 8k to 10k. They always upgrading to the newest and best every 2-3 years easily

 

[clarky]

I mean, he not wrong. The ppl that go after the 90’s are mostly the ones with them crazy high setup. That all together easily getting close to 8k to 10k. They always upgrading to the newest and best every 2-3 years easily

That doesn't cost as much as you'd think. You can sell a 4090 right now on ebay for around $1600. So an upgrade isn't exactly breaking the bank.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Eh? They didn't go from a 1080ti at $699 to to the 5090 at $2k. The top end card has always been nearly double the next best. The GTX Titan was $1200 at launch, RTX Titan $2500 (lol), 3090 $1500, 4090 $1600, now this at $2000. Pretty consistently shit.

Why the outrage now? They've always done this. Not saying its a good deal, I don't think i'll upgrade personally but this is hardly new.

That’s a fair take, but with the 4000 series the performance levels and naming conventions shifted. The XX70 is what the XX60 should be, XX80 is what XX70 should be and so on.

Thats why a 5090 today is not what a Titan was. The same was said about the 4000 series which is when this shift became apparent. Here is a great discussion:



As always, the devil is in the details.

 

[clarky]

That’s a fair take, but with the 4000 series the performance levels and naming conventions shifted. The XX70 is what the XX60 should be, XX80 is what XX70 should be and so on.

Thats why a 5090 today is not what a Titan was. The same was said about the 4000 series which is when this shift became apparent. Here is a great discussion:



As always, the devil is in the details.

I know but the top card is the top card. Not what might have been.

I do get your point though, is what it is.

I wont be purchasing unless it benches to the moon, which it won't.

 

[Kenneth Haight]

Feel like such a weak ass bitch with my PS5 Pro, diminishing every day.

One day I will be a real man and be able to afford a 5090….then I’ll be satisfied.

 

[dEvAnGeL]

Feel like such a weak ass bitch with my PS5 Pro, diminishing every day.

One day I will be a real man and be able to afford a 5090….then I’ll be satisfied.

The day you can afford it, you will probably have both.

 

[DoubleClutch]

I know but the top card is the top card. Not what might have been.

I do get your point though, is what it is.

I wont be purchasing unless it benches to the moon, which it won't.

I agree. My only point is that the value has been diminished.

 

[clarky]

I agree. My only point is that the value has been diminished.

I dunno the 4090 is a fucking beast of a card, one of the best they've ever done imo. Worth every penny.

 

[DoubleClutch]

I dunno the 4090 is a fucking beast of a card, one of the best they've ever done imo.

Well that’s inherent. It would be like AMD not releasing a proper successor to the 5800X3D for years due to inadequate competition, and coming out with a 9800X3D for triple the price. It’d be the best ever, but not in terms of value.

 

[clarky]

Well that’s inherent. It would be like AMD not releasing a proper successor to the 5800X3D for years due to inadequate competition, and coming out with a 9800X3D for triple the price. It’d be the best ever, but not in terms of value.

No? The 3090 was also a good card. Unless I misunderstand you.

 

[Idleyes]

Anyone here know of a good pc portable pod ?

Has its onw battery pack etc and i just have to hook up a pc and a screen?

Has to be portable on wheels to roll it around the shop

It depends on the size of the shop you're referring to. If it's something large, like a 747 maintenance hangar, the Cybertruck could be a great option. It has built-in outlets capable of powering a PC, a spacious cab to house it, and the added bonus of the Summon feature, allowing you to move the vehicle around remotely.

 

[DirtyBast8rd]

$10,000 in your monitor and sound system? The best PC monitors are a fraction of that price, so I assume he is referring to some over the top sound system that probably a fraction of even 4090 owners have. Certainly overkill, and I'd rather invest in a good pair of headphones myself.

Absolutely not overkill. Headphones can't touch a good Atmos 7.1.4 soundsystem. No comparison. And when going second hand, you can get a former 10k system for a lot less. Gave that advice many times and nothing but happy faces when they got it all setup.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Absolutely not overkill. Headphones can't touch a good Atmos 7.1.4 soundsystem. No comparison. And when going second hand, you can get a former 10k system for a lot less. Gave that advice many times and nothing but happy faces when they got it all setup.

Those type of sound systems don't usually go well with people on monitors

A great pair of open back headphones makes a much better soundstage than regular closed backs and can somewhat mimic real speakers

 

[DoubleClutch]

Absolutely not overkill. Headphones can't touch a good Atmos 7.1.4 soundsystem. No comparison. And when going second hand, you can get a former 10k system for a lot less. Gave that advice many times and nothing but happy faces when they got it all setup.

Not true at all.

High end headphones with binaural audio.

 

[Idleyes]

My sound system cost me around $1,500. It includes two 4000 RMS amps powering two 18-inch subwoofers and two cabinet speakers, each housing dual 16-inch subwoofers and tweeters (DJ style shit cause I'm Jamaican) My 85-inch TV cost $1,300, and my Digital Storm PC was $3,500. Altogether, I've spent around $6,300 for my setup. He's not that far off.

 

[bundylove]

It depends on the size of the shop you're referring to. If it's something large, like a 747 maintenance hangar, the Cybertruck could be a great option. It has built-in outlets capable of powering a PC, a spacious cab to house it, and the added bonus of the Summon feature, allowing you to move the vehicle around remotely.

HAs to fit 32 inch monitor mouse and keyboard.
Pc has to be locked away with battery pack.
Has to be on wheels to roll it from station to station.

I am just looking for the actual housing .
Has to have some cover protection so i can cover it at the end of day.

Might need 2 or 3 depending on cost.

Keep in mind idiot employees will use it prone to fuck things up so it has to be durable

 

[Dacvak]

OverHeat I just wanted to let you know that I’ll take your sloppy seconds.

(We’re talkin about your old GPU… this isn’t about your vasectomy)

 

[DoubleClutch]

No? The 3090 was also a good card. Unless I misunderstand you.

What I mean is the jumps aren’t significant when you consider what’s on the silicon, TDP, etc. The prices have also gone up considerably every release.