JezC:EU may also force console companies to open up their platforms. Microsoft would be there day one. But Sony isn't just going to let them do that.
Bojji
Member
Nintendo to EU:
They will bow to it just like Apple.
Guilty_AI
Member
Wonder how that would work though, consoles aren't smartphones where about anyone can develop an app for it and treat it like a personal computer.
Would that imply consoles must work like PCs now? That anyone could develop a ps5 or switch game without waiting for Sony's input and selling it in a third party store? That would actually be pretty neat.
Would that imply consoles must work like PCs now? That anyone could develop a ps5 or switch game without waiting for Sony's input and selling it in a third party store? That would actually be pretty neat.
Deerock71
Very Poor Hoice of Wor
They'll go back to making love hotels and hanafuda cards.
Mownoc
Member
Alternate stores on consoles would have an even harder job than people trying to compete with Steam on PC.
In the event that it ever does get made legally mandatory you can bet there's be no PSN account integration whatsoever. It'd be completely segregated from the rest of the console.
In the event that it ever does get made legally mandatory you can bet there's be no PSN account integration whatsoever. It'd be completely segregated from the rest of the console.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Look at all that hopium. These shills will feed the warriors who will go online and say "ps fans are desperate for Xbox/GP on their platform" and then it turns out they are the ones desperate to be included for relevance.
EU my best buddy pls force Sony to break PlayStation
EU my best buddy pls force Sony to break PlayStation
Gojiira
Member
This is literally a similar nonsense argument as the 'Xbox should buy Nintendo'…When the fuck will people realise that what the US wants, or the EU wants is irrelevant, JAPAN is its own country, with its own laws and interests and they DO NOT have to bow to American or European whims…
OverHeat
« generous god »
If they want to sell in those country they have to bow…
StealthGoblin
Banned
If there is a law they'll make it so damn difficult to integrate (or not even integrate) it would be worthless.
Microsoft of course are desperate and want access to Sony and Nintendo's userbases despite being fucking awful at creating a sizeable one of their own. It amuses me that they think they should benefit off the work of others.
SirKicksalot
Member
UK man in "does not understand EU" shocker.
Under EU regulations, the console stores are just that - stores, not marketplaces. They are the direct link to the retailer, not an intermediate that facilitates commerce with 3rd parties. Also, consoles are not general purpose computers, like smartphones. There is no framework for "forcing them open".
Under EU regulations, the console stores are just that - stores, not marketplaces. They are the direct link to the retailer, not an intermediate that facilitates commerce with 3rd parties. Also, consoles are not general purpose computers, like smartphones. There is no framework for "forcing them open".
PendekarRajawali
Member
Only the japanese will commit seppuku, Americans will surrender.
StealthGoblin
Banned
Ding ding ding.
Microsoft might, if they keep integrating windows, end up with an Xbox that may fall into that category and then may be forced to open it up for a PlayStation app etc.
Lunarorbit
Member
I don't think that's legal. Ps and nintendo are closed systems that are sold so you can play exclusive software on them. Just cause ps allows EA play to be on psn doesn't mean they want game pass on their ecosystem.
These are rival hardware makers that have long standing adversarial relationships with each other. You can't force each others products on one another if they don't want it.
These are rival hardware makers that have long standing adversarial relationships with each other. You can't force each others products on one another if they don't want it.
Gojiira
Member
Not if it negatively impacts their own business, and if they threatened to leave the markets entirely the EU would be damaging the industry irreparably and that is a fact they would have to consider.
Theres a ton of legality involved, just look at that CMA/FTC case against MS, how competition was a huge factor, well opening up every platform benefits MS and Xbox more than anyone else so the same argument would work in Sony/Nintendos favour since neither has the money or infrastructure that MS has. It really isnt as simple as 'hurr durr platforms should just be open just cuz'
ThisIsMyDog
Member
Any sources for that bullshit beyond some twitter user delusions?
ScHlAuChi
Member
Jez doesnt know what he is talking about!
It is very unlikely that the EU will open up console stores to competitors.
PCs, tablets and smartphones are defined as "general purpose computing devices" by the EU.
Those devices are ones you can use for daily stuff, online shopping, banking, web browsing, train tickets etc...
That´s why the EU opened up iOS - however Consoles by EU definition are not GPCD´s and therefore the DMA does not apply to them.
It is very unlikely that the EU will open up console stores to competitors.
PCs, tablets and smartphones are defined as "general purpose computing devices" by the EU.
Those devices are ones you can use for daily stuff, online shopping, banking, web browsing, train tickets etc...
That´s why the EU opened up iOS - however Consoles by EU definition are not GPCD´s and therefore the DMA does not apply to them.
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Zathalus
Member
It's quite possible the EU might state that Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo must allow alternate stores on their respective consoles. Then again it might not happen at all. There are similarities to the Google/Apple situation but there are large differences as well.
Personally I think it shouldn't happen but I would like to see the EU force digital providers to at least have multiple locations where keys can be sold from, like Valve and Microsoft do.
Personally I think it shouldn't happen but I would like to see the EU force digital providers to at least have multiple locations where keys can be sold from, like Valve and Microsoft do.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
If this happens it means console makers will have lower margins on the software so can't subsidize console pricing and will need higher margins on hardware.
Basically what we will have is MS having a huge advantage since they have the money to cover the subsidies due to company size/profitability ($350 XSX as a recent example).
Basically what we will have is MS having a huge advantage since they have the money to cover the subsidies due to company size/profitability ($350 XSX as a recent example).
Zathalus
Member
You mean Xbox only I assume? The market and demand for Microsoft in general is massive.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Their soft power lineup, whatever you want to call it: windows phones, Xbox, Surface, Bing, the Windows game store etc. none have been a success. Yeah they can sell office and windows and servers etc to businesses and companies for days but the everyday man has no interest in using a windows phone etc.
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Ronin_7
Member
Dude should focus on stop being obese before writing console warrior bullshit.
Ar¢tos
Member
Without devkits and without SDKs they can't develop anything, and Sony isn't forced to supply those to anyone.
Elysium44
Banned
Ah yes, if one British man doesn't understand the EU, it means no British person does.
(My point, judge him on the idiocy of what he said, no need for the casual anti-British racism.)
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FalconPunch
Member
There's nothing stopping Microsoft from releasing those games on PS5 now. Absolutely nothing.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
A few days ago Tim Stuart says MS wants to bring Gamepass to Sony/Nintendo platforms, and a couple of days later Phil Spencer says the complete opposite.
If even the people at the very top of MS gaming can't agree on what they want, what do bozo's like Warren and Corden know about the inside dealings at MS?
If even the people at the very top of MS gaming can't agree on what they want, what do bozo's like Warren and Corden know about the inside dealings at MS?
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
People tend to overlook that Smartphones and Tablets are just generic form factors, they aren't innately specific in the way that games consoles are.
There's also the fact that in terms of historic precedent, games consoles pre-date all forms of micro-computer, and certainly what's generally understood to be the modern day Personal Computer.
The issue is that if it was deemed mandatory for one console provider to open-up their platform, then it'd be hard to argue that all devices of that type not be subject to the same legality. Essentially it would make consoles as we know them extinct, because the entire business model that they've been built on for decades would become obsolete. Without proprietary software what's the need for proprietary hardware after all?
And if that was the case how could it be argued that it'd be good for market competition?
There's also the fact that in terms of historic precedent, games consoles pre-date all forms of micro-computer, and certainly what's generally understood to be the modern day Personal Computer.
The issue is that if it was deemed mandatory for one console provider to open-up their platform, then it'd be hard to argue that all devices of that type not be subject to the same legality. Essentially it would make consoles as we know them extinct, because the entire business model that they've been built on for decades would become obsolete. Without proprietary software what's the need for proprietary hardware after all?
And if that was the case how could it be argued that it'd be good for market competition?
Guilty_AI
Member
There are 'less official' ways around this
. My doubts are related to the implications of such a ruling if it ever gets made.Would Sony/Nintendo still be allowed to 'protect' their hardware but wouldn't be allowed to take any sort of legal action against hackers or people using these tools? Would they be forced to open it up like a PC? I'm not entirely sure. But then again we don't even know if they'll really attempt this in the first place.
If it does happen, it might just mark the death of consoles as we knew them.
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twilo99
Member
Err, they gotta pay Sony for the privilege tho..
If Sony is forced to open up the incentive to release on there for free grows significantly.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
The goalpost has been moved so far that it has already left the field.
they talked about this in their podcast, it was in the context of MS going third-party. NO! actually, is the the regulators that will make closed ecosystems open, and PlayStation becoming just an extension of Xbox because MS will make 100% of the revenue from Play Station users. and then sony also will go third-party because they will release their game on Xbox too.
I mean, listening to their mental gymnastics trying to convince themselves that Xbox consoles are here to stay but at the same time trashing the console business model as dead was quite amusing.
they talked about this in their podcast, it was in the context of MS going third-party. NO! actually, is the the regulators that will make closed ecosystems open, and PlayStation becoming just an extension of Xbox because MS will make 100% of the revenue from Play Station users. and then sony also will go third-party because they will release their game on Xbox too.
I mean, listening to their mental gymnastics trying to convince themselves that Xbox consoles are here to stay but at the same time trashing the console business model as dead was quite amusing.
3liteDragon
Member
Can these fuckers just leave the gaming industry? We'd honestly be better off without them.
I mean...EA and Ubisoft have sub services on PlayStation. What is Jez and Co talking about? Being forced to allow it?
Yeah, I'm not sure what Jez and Tom are even talking about.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
My translation to what Phil said based on my personal exerpience.But wait, I thought Phil said it wasn't something they want to do?
Now it makes sense why they wanted to plant one of their employees in the European commission. Good thing the rest of the council members could see right through it.
I met the gorgeous Halle Berry at a party one night after a game in LA and she treated me like I was a waiter as she gave me her "order" she wanted from the bar
She saw me as the help thus I decided I had no intention of asking her out
The question is did I, a professional athlete at the time, serve a lady at a club/party like I was the help?
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