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[GriffinCorp]

True, it would have been better to make the game character more siimlar to this beautiful actress. Seeing the result in the game, I thought they were using one of these other actresses instead:

The AAA teams now are in the thousands, not in the hundreds. Diablo IV has almost 9000 people on its game credits, and Starfield almost 4000.

And yes, AAA take more years and people to be made, because they require way more work to be down now than in previous generations, or specially when compared to the N64 days.

Games are way longer, way more complex, way more full featured and way more detailed. That requires way more work to be done.


This isn't the first or second round of layoffs. Redfall and its team got axed some rounds before, around a year ago. Meaning they were one of the weakest options they had back then. Back then they didn't shut down Perfect Dark and its team, which means they consider more promising Perfect Dark and its team than Redfall and its team.

A few layoff and closures rounds later, MS wanted to reduce this week their development costs in X millions, and to do so fired a certain amount of people, shutting down some teams and projects, choosing the weakest choices they had available now.

OMG I had no clue it was in the thousands. Dear god that is insane. 9000 people worked on Diablo IV. Seems like it would be impossible to make a profit with that payroll.

 

[nial]

It's not like all the same people worked on the Rare games either

They all worked at the same studio.

? They're all proper Rockstar studios, like Ubisoft

The fact that you ALSO think Ubisoft is a single studio tells everything.

 

[yurinka]

? They're all proper Rockstar studios, like Ubisoft

It's not like all the same people worked on the Rare games either

The Initiative had 1 studio.
Rockstar has a dozen studios.
Ubisoft has almost 40 studios.

 

[MayauMiao]

post from the funny pics thread , only the rock can save this franchise now

"Finally, The Dark has come back to Gamepass!"

 

[Dafegamer]

Can Nintendo just get the rights back already?

 

[phant0m]

The Initiative had 1 studio.
Rockstar has a dozen studios.
Ubisoft has almost 40 studios.

??? What's The Initiative have to do with this?

I was talking about Rare having a good run on the N64, then said the only other dev that came to mind as having an equally good run in a single gen was Rockstar during PS2 era.

They all worked at the same studio.

The fact that you ALSO think Ubisoft is a single studio tells everything.

That's not at all what I said, as indicated by the s in studios.

 

[phant0m]

Can Nintendo just get the rights back already?

What 1P Nintendo studio would you want to handle an M-rated shooter in 2025?

 

[genesisblock]

Immersive Sims are not attractive to young kids these days except for some of us adults. Doubt it'll get saved.

Minecraft is the best selling game of all time and it should be considered an immersive sim based on its core mechanics alone. The key difference is that Minecraft doesn't have a clear defined objective but it follows the golden rule of immersive sim: If-you-think-you-can-do-it-it-must-work. This is the key ethos of all immersive sims so I don't buy this immersive sim doesn't appeal, it does, because the end goal is pretty much the Matrix and/or Ready Player One which no doubt will most definitely appeal to the most audience, provided all you have to do is just plug-and-play.

 

[T-0800]

Perfect Dark 2 should have been made like an indie boomer shooter. Make it look pretty much like it is being made on an N64 except for bad frame rate and low resolution. Could have been made by a team of 20 or so people and in less than two years easily.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

What 1P Nintendo studio would you want to handle an M-rated shooter in 2025?

Only Retro Studios can take up that task.

 

[Dafegamer]

What 1P Nintendo studio would you want to handle an M-rated shooter in 2025?

Retro Studios, they seem like the type of Studio to handle it. They also have experience with First Person Stuff

 

[PlayStaytion]

post from the funny pics thread , only the rock can save this franchise now

Human genetics won't even try to make this happen.

 

[nial]

That's not at all what I said, as indicated by the s in studios.

Then what's the logic in bringing them up as a developer (singular) having a similar output as Rare? It's five different developers, period. Some of those games (Midnight Club, GTAIII) were even released before their respective developers were acquired by Rockstar.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

What 1P Nintendo studio would you want to handle an M-rated shooter in 2025?

That's what I was thinking how many FPS has Nintendo made in the last 20 years?

 

[Mister Wolf]

I'm gonna be hanged for this, but I think most normal men would never actually reject a woman with reboot Joanna's looks.

Like, she really isn't bad looking at all.

Most men are desperate for sex(even some married men. Look up rates of sexless marriages) and biologically wired for sexual opportunism so they can spread their seed. A man not rejecting a woman's advances is nothing special. Men will sleep with women they despise. Will sleep with women they find physically unattractive enough to never consider a long term exclusive pairing.

 

[Memati187]

Fine, if I get a bj, I would scream out your name to ms.

 

[phant0m]

Fine, if I get a bj, I would scream out your name to ms.

 

[skyfinch]

Give me 5 minutes alone with Phil. I'll have that son of a bitch doing motion capture for that game.

 

[kevboard]

What 1P Nintendo studio would you want to handle an M-rated shooter in 2025?

Retro Studios.

Retro has not only made Metroid Prime, but they also have a bunch of former Turok devs on board afaik. also some Halo devs.

 

[Nocty]

Good Lord, I never actually considered this. That really may be the greatest run of any generation.

yeah it's pretty wild. I hadn't thought about that either until this post. What a run

 

[Dafegamer]

Retro Studios.

Retro has not only made Metroid Prime, but they also have a bunch of former Turok devs on board afaik. also some Halo devs.

Retro Studios just makes too much sense at this point

 

[kevboard]

Retro Studios just makes too much sense at this point

especially because they wouldn't make some generic shooter out of it

 

[Dafegamer]

especially because they wouldn't make some generic shooter out of it

This , that's what I love about Retro Studios. They know their stuff and know how to make intriguing level design+ gameplay mechanics

 

[TheAmazingSpiderMan]

I can't believe her in-game character model looks like lord farquad with blonde hair.

 

[MicTyson]

Immersive Sims are not attractive to young kids these days except for some of us adults. Doubt it'll get saved.

This. This game would have been a flop sales wise.

 

[wigsplittin4fun]

They made her hideous in this game to go with the name perfect dark meaning the perfect way to look at that manly square jawed model is in the dark.

 

[Gitaroo]

Should have gotten Arcane Austin to work on it instead of red failed

 

[Arachnid]

The game I REALLY DID NOT want to see get cancelled


Wtf MS?

Yeah, immersive sims are in a rough spot rn. Deus Ex is dead, Arkane is never going to make another Dishonored or Prey, Vampire Bloodlines 2 is in dev hell, Thief has been dead forever, System Shock just gets some remasters, Perfect Dark gets cancelled.

One of the best and most detailed genres out there, and it gets no support from gamers.

 

[Memati187]

and it gets no support from gamers.

Instead, these fools continue to celebrate the non-existent xbox brand. I never was into xbox, but even I am annoyed by this. I really wanted perfect dark to be released.

After Tango with evil within 3 and now this, I can't take anyone seriously who defends this shit.

 

[Alan Wake]

Won't happen obviously. It's not even a big IP that people asked for to be rebooted. I was surprised when they announced it. A completely new studio could have done something new. A new IP. I don't know who decided Perfect Dark would be the game The Initiative should do as its first game. I still don't quite understand it.

 

[Griffon]

ITT people thinking that Perfect Dark having gadgets and non-corridor level design makes it an immersive sim... smh my head.

If we wanted an imsim we wouldn't be asking for a Perfect Dark sequel. Leave PD out of the cult.
I do love imsims, but this really isn't what PD is about, it's not at an RPG at all and there's much more shooting involved.

 

[RickMasters]

Yeah, immersive sims are in a rough spot rn. Deus Ex is dead, Arkane is never going to make another Dishonored or Prey, Vampire Bloodlines 2 is in dev hell, Thief has been dead forever, System Shock just gets some remasters, Perfect Dark gets cancelled.

One of the best and most detailed genres out there, and it gets no support from gamers.

And these are my types of games. MS really are incomprehensibly incompetent, at running anything that is not windows it seems

 

[FeastYoEyes]

Sony should buy the rights

 

[YeulEmeralda]

ITT people thinking that Perfect Dark having gadgets and non-corridor level design makes it an immersive sim... smh my head.

If we wanted an imsim we wouldn't be asking for a Perfect Dark sequel. Leave PD out of the cult.
I do love imsims, but this really isn't what PD is about, it's not at an RPG at all and there's much more shooting involved.

Because a 10 hour linear campaign FPS doesn't sell in 2025.

 

[Evil Calvin]

It's not gonna happen. As special as the game was to me it came out TWENTY-FIVE years ago and the only we got since was a very mediocre sequel.

I'm just glad we were able to get it included in NSO and I can play with my Switch N64 controller.

If I'm really honest, the IP itself wasn't even that special, the team at Rare was. Their N64 run was insane, and imo probably one of the greatest ever on a single system:

• Goldeneye 007
• Diddy Kong Racing
• Banjo-Kazooie
• Jet Force Gemini
• Donkey Kong 64
• Perfect Dark
• Conker's Bad Fur Day

This was in 4 years, 1997-2001.

It's strange. Just like music back in the day, games used to come out from studios yearly. Bands in the 60's and 70's used to release albums 2x a year sometimes. For example, Pink Floyd released 11 albums from 1967 to 1979. Beatles released their whole 12 album catalog in 8 years. 1963-1970. Nowdays, games and music are lucky to release once every 4-5 years.

 

[tkscz]

Unless Microsoft revived Free Radical Design (for the third time) and put David Doak and his team on it, I just don't see a point in reviving Perfect Dark.

 

[phant0m]

It's strange. Just like music back in the day, games used to come out from studios yearly. Bands in the 60's and 70's used to release albums 2x a year sometimes. For example, Pink Floyd released 11 albums from 1967 to 1979. Beatles released their whole 12 album catalog in 8 years. 1963-1970. Nowdays, games and music are lucky to release once every 4-5 years.

If you thought the Beatles' run was exceptional, look up The Beach Boys discography. 24 studio albums in 18 years.

I'm going to make 2 observations:

1. Quantity of output appears to correlate to cost of production. Recording an album in a professional studio was WAY cheaper in the 60s and 70s than it is now (even considering inflation), despite all the great modern technology we have that is supposed to make things easier/faster. Sound familiar?
2. Length of product. All those Beatles and Beach Boys albums almost all had run times well under 40 minutes. Tracks were short, often under 3:00. Sound familiar? Final Fantasy VII (OG) was a 35 hour game. Remake + Rebirth combined (main story only) are 80 hours.

We've made everything so long and so much more expansive to make.

 

[Dafegamer]

Sony should buy the rights

Sony doesn't have a fitting dev who could handle it. Bungie is kinda a weird position at the moment, Guerilla Games did Killzone, but I doubt people want by the numbers fps shooter out of Perfect Dark

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

Fucking hell, if they had modeled the in-game Joanna to the actress..

The industry keeps pulling this bs. Did the same with the outlaws actress.

Pics of actress?

Depending on how attractive she is, begging may work

True, it would have been better to make the game character more siimlar to this beautiful actress. Seeing the result in the game, I thought they were using one of these other actresses instead:

Thank each of you for using the correct term.

When the title of the article insists on "actor" when it's about an actress...

...I stop caring about their views, this tell already gives me what I need to know about them.

And any notion that it's somehow more empowering for women to forcibly remove gendered endings from English -- when every other language has gendered variants baked deeper into the whole grammar around the word -- is too absurd to even engage with.

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

Like if that will actually change anything

It could.

 

[Crayon]

If you thought the Beatles' run was exceptional, look up The Beach Boys discography. 24 studio albums in 18 years.

I'm going to make 2 observations:

1. Quantity of output appears to correlate to cost of production. Recording an album in a professional studio was WAY cheaper in the 60s and 70s than it is now (even considering inflation), despite all the great modern technology we have that is supposed to make things easier/faster. Sound familiar?
2. Length of product. All those Beatles and Beach Boys albums almost all had run times well under 40 minutes. Tracks were short, often under 3:00. Sound familiar? Final Fantasy VII (OG) was a 35 hour game. Remake + Rebirth combined (main story only) are 80 hours.

We've made everything so long and so much more expansive to make.

The lengths are inflated because replayability/challenge became an mp-only thing.

Dark souls was a really shining light there but it seems to only inspire clones. And I guess some games borrow some of the superficial mechanics. But AAA games still can't figure out how to get more mileage out of the assets by getting the player to enjoy seeing them more that once.

The way these games are expected to have these incredible graphics and set pieces, so the player can cruise by them all. And then there's supposed to be at least 20 hours of it? It's too much and games like that should be more rare than they are.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

90s Joanna was zo much better fuck your face scan technology. This game was going to appeal to boomer nostalgia so why the change?