Im not sure there is/was a narrative that their can't be another joker other than Heath. Yes he was awesome but so was Jack Nicholas and Mark Hamill. Now we have a very different but still awesome Joker.Joaquin Phoenix Is key to the joker and joker 2 and eliminates the narrative that there can’t be another joker other than heath ledger, and I think adding lady Gaga is exciting. As it purtains to the story how will they introduce Harley? She was jokers nurse and he turns her bad? I think being a movie makes this more challenging.
Maybe Robin will tip up to foil his crazy plans.
I think you can sustain one film with a Joker without a Batman. I'm not sure you can sustain two. Can see the steam running out of this right around the time there's no-one to counteract Arthur's chaos. The third act will be the weakest part of this movie.
Oh shit, they've made Mama Mia 3Also, not sure it's such a good idea to hide the fact that this film is a musical.
Better than showing the entire movie in 3 minutes like the Alien trailer last week.Dude what is this movie even about? That trailer is literally 3 minutes of Joker in the asylum, Joker on some stairs or Joker on a tv show.
We live in a society.
First was pretty brutal at times.Needs more killing for my taste.
If it’s anything like the first film it’s a character study of someone suffering from delusional psychosis. The whole film will play out through he’s lens and/or possibly Harleen. The music and dances are part of he’s character, he’s a performance artist, but some scenes are obviously part of he's delusion. Whenever you see him dancing it’s symbolic and an indication or elevation in he’s psychological state. This will be a masterpiece of a film, I hope.Dude what is this movie even about? That trailer is literally 3 minutes of Joker in the asylum, Joker on some stairs or Joker on a tv show.
We live in a society.
She had one of the better sex changes.Bag over her head would help.
If it’s anything like the first film it’s a character study of someone suffering from delusional psychosis. The whole film will play out through he’s lens and/or possibly Harleen. The music and dances are part of he’s character, he’s a performance artist, but some scenes are obviously part of he's delusion. Whenever you see him dancing it’s symbolic and an indication or elevation in he’s psychological state. This will be a masterpiece of a film, I hope.
The way I choose to understand it is that everything we see in the film is Arthur’s introspection, he is the narrator. Which means that it’s an unreliable firsthand account since he is suffering from delusional psychosis. A fair few scenes in the film give this away. But the moment I realised how this helps move the plot was on a second viewing, during the interview with the talk show host, the way the film lands its subversion is absolutely INSANE. You’re inclined to feel a lot of empathy for Arthur, as Robert De Niro’s character becomes a villain in that one moment. Arthur makes you understand he’s madness. It’s genius levels of story telling.The first one is a character study about becoming / being a sociopath, rather than a psychopath, steadily being pushed one step further, while, at the same time, highlighting the importance and liability of the surroundings in this process. The most fascinating thing about the first movie, is, how, at times, the joker is the only character who's showing true, intrinsic compassion, while his environment, plagued by modern society ailments like capitalism, indifference, greed and cravings for recognition is not able to.
So the question remains: who's actually crazy, the joker or his surroundings? The first one is a really good movie and a pretty cool and smart Joker origin story.
I love movies, I love music, I absolutely hate musicals.
I also thought that while the first movies was good it was way overhyped.
Will probably skip on this one.
It’s rumored to have at least 15 songs in it.I don't think it's a full on musical... I think it has musical elements, tho. Maybe some singing and dancing in the more delusional parts. But not something like Hamilton or Chicago or The Greatest Showman.
We never really talked about it like that, but I like to say it's a film where music is an essential element. To me, that doesn't veer too far from the first film. Arthur's weird and aloof and all these things, but he has music in him. He has a grace to him. That informed a lot of the dancing in the first film... it didn't feel like that big of a step here. It's different, but I think it'll make sense when you see it.
Agreed.Loved The Joker, what a surprise that was. Don't think they can pull it off again but you never know. Phoenix was fantastic.
True, but her tits look bomb.Bag over her head would help.
Likewise. I don't care about the reviews, I'll make my own judgement. Still very much hyped to watch it.Still looking forward to it. Absolutely loved the first one and willing to give this one a shot.
They must understand that many people hate musical movies.
You know why they are doing it...Also, not sure it's such a good idea to hide the fact that this film is a musical.
This is basically what neil did with TLOU2 when he realized that Joel was someone the audience empathized with. Todd likely looked at how the men and some incels took to Arthur's plight and decided to fuck them over.The most worrisome one was the Screenrant one that mentioned: Joker: Folie à Deux Review – An Improved Sequel Engineered To Antagonize Joker Fans
Engineered to Antagonize Joker Fans
I think I'll wait for impressions with this movie. Despite loving the first one.
I hate Gaga's acting and musicals arent my thing
Thanks for pointing out the Screenrant review. Decided to take a look to see what it said regarding that provocative title, and how it squares with assumptions regarding personal concerns made about it before reading. It's referring to the old line about it being a musical and fan culture.Been looking around for reviews, and what I saw aint pretty, I'll tell you that
The most worrisome one was the Screenrant one that mentioned: Joker: Folie à Deux Review – An Improved Sequel Engineered To Antagonize Joker Fans
Engineered to Antagonize Joker Fans
I think I'll wait for impressions with this movie. Despite loving the first one.
I hate Gaga's acting and musicals arent my thing
Goddamn. Well said man.This is basically what neil did with TLOU2 when he realized that Joel was someone the audience empathized with. Todd likely looked at how the men and some incels took to Arthur's plight and decided to fuck them over.
It sucks that these men have such disdain for other men. I dont get it. Men dont hate other men, its a very woman phenomenon. We dont spite other men. I have no idea whats going with modern men. There is nothing wrong with a man committing murder to protect his adopted daughter from being murdered in her sleep after watching his real daughter get brutally murdered. There is nothing wrong with having sympathy for a mentally ill loner who couldnt afford pills and is abused by the society around him. There are dozens of studies on how men, especially young men are being left behind. They do worse in colleges, they make less money, they own fewer homes than their female counterparts. The easiest thing to do is offer them sympathy and make a movie that sympathizes with their plight but no, hollywood cant stand to make a movie that might appeal to men who dont have it all figured out.