British Monsoon
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Woah, awesome - wXw are bringing back their Ambition shootstyle tournament this October and they've booked Davey Boy Smith Jr. vs the Axeman! That should be fun.
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July Wrasslin |OT| The Rings a Field, the Field of War, Thats Where We Lay the Law
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You know who actually likes doing all that? Miz? Only reason he ever got to headline Wrestlemania really. I think Vinnie Mac respected that.
Don't see Miz ever complaining, even now. But well, he goes home to Maryse. I wouldn't be on Twitter either.
Liquidsnake
Banned
I'm sure Hogan had his detractors, but not at the levels Cena did. That's the reason many don't think it's legit. They were not onboard like Rock or Austin.
But heck who would you replace him with? Most big stars have retired or semi-retired whether it be age or injury.
So not only is he your option, he's still the one that wants it the most. I'm sure D.Bry is grateful fans put him in that spot, but I don't think he cares to be at Cena level. We know Punk for sure doesn't. Probably would not have mattered even if he headlines mania. He would do it and leave.
Mines started beeping and trying to eject and take disk non stop. The beeping was constant as well so I found out it's a drive problem. I had to dig to find the recipient. If it makes you feel better mines randomly cut off a few times while using hulu.
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Deleted member 47027
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Cena's definitely had one of the biggest and most significant reigns out there. It is what it is. He kept the company alive for a long time and did a lot. I know a lot of people hate him, but you can't argue - he's done the work of his life and he is one of the greatest champions the WWE has ever had. Not MY favorite, but the resume is stacked.
Future Foundation
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I'm not getting the "not organic" thing either. Started as a non-descript face, changed his gimmick to rapping heel, got over, turned face, stayed over, became champ. Isn't that more or less it?
John Cena is what happens when you give Vince the golden boy he wants, and you make sure he's someone who's a mark for wrestling who is happy to have the belt. He's never going to fight Vince for more pay. He's always going to be the teacher's pet.
It's why he's going to have the title for a long time. There's no cokehead Shawn, small guy problems. There's no Hulk Hogan politicking for more of his sales from merch. None of that. Cena's just happy to work, and he's probably a little obsessed at this point with being THE top draw. But that's all Vince has to worry about. Not about him holding Vince up for cash.
It's why he's going to have the title for a long time. There's no cokehead Shawn, small guy problems. There's no Hulk Hogan politicking for more of his sales from merch. None of that. Cena's just happy to work, and he's probably a little obsessed at this point with being THE top draw. But that's all Vince has to worry about. Not about him holding Vince up for cash.
I haven't been able to sleep well for some weeks now and all I do is sit on my ass all day. I can't even imagine how he feels and still has to smile. The cat is another type of Human. Shit, Brock couldn't do it. He is mentally weak compared to Hustle Loyalty and Respect.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing. No doubt he had a fan base that included some folks that would NEVER watch otherwise, like my wife. (she quit when Miz became champ because it was too much to suspended disbelief)
But that's how some folks feel. He wasn't anointed by the entire fan base like other super stars. Vince just kept smashing the circle peg into the square hole until it fit.
I think Cena's multiple reigns just means a lot less in the current WWE product. Edge, Orton, and Triple H aren't far behind in world title reigns. Not to knock or pass judgement on the quality of the wrestlers I mentioned, but it seems like if you manage to stick around long enough you'll rack up title reigns pretty quickly. The current product seems to encourage a few people staying on top a lot longer than what was expected before. Hopefully the elimination of the World Heavyweight Championship will do wonders for the prestige of having double-digit reigns. Because right now it doesn't seem like that big of a deal.
plagiarize
Banned
yep. as a massive Edge fan, you look at the longevity of Cena as a healthy top draw... and not that I think putting all your eggs in one basket is necessarily a good idea, but they picked the right basket to put all their eggs in.
the guy works hard, and hasn't been a source of bad PR for them like ever, ignoring when something he said about steroids got taken horribly out of context and it made it sound like he was endorsing them. Because we really should ignore that.
Two of the shrewdest things Vince ever did as a business man: Ordaining Trips marriage to his daughter and ordaining Cena's marriage to the WWE title.
This is just wild speculation that no one should take seriously, but ever since Cena's divorce I've felt like wrestling is Cena's whole life. He doesn't have anything and he doesn't do or care about anything else. Just wrestling. It's hard to compete with a guy who will let everything else in his life fall apart to visit kids in the hospital and then hop on the bus to get to the next town. I hope I'm wrong because I'd hate to see him be the guy that either hangs on too long or goes stir crazy when he's finally done.
I imagine even when he retires he will still do all those Make A Wish. That be a sad day when Cena just says, "Yeah, I'm not doing that no more."
British Monsoon
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Hulk Hogan (c) vs Tatsumi Fujinami - (NJPW 1985/06/11)
Hulk was great when he wanted to be, it's just that he'd just figured out that he could do very little and still get the same reaction.
Hulk was great when he wanted to be, it's just that he'd just figured out that he could do very little and still get the same reaction.
slightconfuse
Banned
In the US anyway, use was a beast in japan
And even so, he's still all crippled now. It's a tough deal.
But but but Nikki Bella and Wishes and stuff.
The most hyperbolic thing I ever heard about Cena was on some podcast, probably Piledriver Wrestling, where a few months back they said that since his come back from surgery he was wrestling at about the level of the Ultimate Warrior. This was less than a month before he blew the doors off in the match with Cesaro.
lovely ladies
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He bought her a house!
AND TITS! That has to count for something.
Morning show?
I've always got that impression even before the divorce. I don't think there is a question that the guy truly loves wrestling and I can respect that. The good thing is that he doesn't seem to have the Ric Flair problem of being forced to keep wrestling because he just mismanages his money and continues wracking up debt. I'd like to think that once Cena realizes he can't wrestle anymore he would move on to supporting causes like the Make-a-Wish foundation. The social work route would suit someone like Cena really well.
QueenOfThorns
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That crossgender matches thread makes me sad. Like I don't get how it's just a violence against women thing. It's only sexist if you think women can't fight back.
I mean, fuck. There's always gonna be gross dudes making videos of themselves as a chris benoit caw beating up on women but that doesn't mean you should take out the option for crossgender matches for the women who want it! Of which there are DOZENS! DOZENS OF US!
I mean, fuck. There's always gonna be gross dudes making videos of themselves as a chris benoit caw beating up on women but that doesn't mean you should take out the option for crossgender matches for the women who want it! Of which there are DOZENS! DOZENS OF US!
Wow,surprised they still do stuff like that.
My original No Mercy save had Chris Benoit with all the belts, including the women's title...
Luckily my version of the cart is one of the glitched ones so it's deleted itself maybe a dozen times since then.
Attitude era games were oddly more progressive. Women could win any belt, use the same moves as men, fight in the same matches. Men could go for the women's belt (in fact its a great starting place in No Mercy being the easiest campaign)
For sure. I've always gotten the impression that he was wise with his money which is nice to see.
Seems so. Same for Hogan and Rock. Man, it be fucked up if Rock went broke.
As for Hogan, can't say it went well for him. He was meant to retire decades ago but kept upping his standard of living. His ex-wife expected a lot of things.
Cena, please.. never marry Nikki.
as the great Green Goblin once said
Norman Osborn: A word to the "not-so-wise" about your little girlfriend. Do what you need to with her, then broom her fast.
Even if Rock was bad with his wrestling money, he is in no danger of running of cash now.
He'd have to have Micheal Jackon levels of insanity. Lay the Samckdown Ranch and all that.
avengers23
Banned
Now, hold on a minute, JACK. This will now be a tag team match! *BRRR APPLEDOUGH*
I can already see it in my head, and I weep for the future.
I can already see it in my head, and I weep for the future.
I think the internet broke...
Professor Beef
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The thread doesn't need to have a post a minute!
It doesn't. This last page has been wonderful. Wrestling discussions, limited picture and gif usage, everyone is happy. <3
He's not at a age to quit, I think, despite surgeries, he does seem healthy enough. Cena's problem is never actually Cena, but everything around him. He wouldn't be bad as a top guy who is popular with kids and has the generic babyface never-does-anything-wrong gimmick if his storylines, promos and matches didn't seem designed to make the opponent look horrible; they don't even seem made to make him look good, it's like the main goal is to derail somebody's career first and then put Cena over as a distant second and preserving his opponent for future angles as a basically non-existing priority.
People go "I don't like his character, but I respect him as a person" or whatever and that's missing the point. It's a TV show, of course the hate is against the character, it's weird that it even need to be said.
Does Smackdown matter at this point? I feel like I haven't really watched an episode in ages and I haven't even cared to see what has happened beyond what they show on Raw.
I don't feel like I miss anything although I'm sure there is plot development and stuff there.....or is there?
I just don't feel the need to watch it at all, and I'm feeling the need to watch Raw even less these days.
I don't feel like I miss anything although I'm sure there is plot development and stuff there.....or is there?
I just don't feel the need to watch it at all, and I'm feeling the need to watch Raw even less these days.
plagiarize
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smackdown is still imho the better show. it's an hour shorter and it recaps all the important bits from RAW, while generally having a better in ring product.
shame it doesn't have the extra juice of being live.
try this. skip everything else one week and watch Smackdown on Hulu Plus on Saturday morning. It's a great Saturday morning show.
Oh, and no Lawler is a bonus.
It doesn't really. It's mostly a practice show for raw. They even repeat main events from Smackdown to raw.
Sometimes side missions are not worth the time. Is anyone even thinking outside the box on that show?
plagiarize
Banned
which makes RAW the one that's less relevant
watch Smackdown to see next week's RAW matches three days early!
Jimmy King
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Hear, hear.
San Andreas is my favorite game along with Ocarina of Time. I could wax poetic about it at great length.
which makes RAW the one that's less relevant
watch Smackdown to see next week's RAW matches three days early!
hmmm