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Jurassic GAF |OT| The Park is closed, the World is open

Yeah, I don't think it's a hybrid.. more of an 'enhanced' dinosaur.

Like the Ludia game, it's basically the level 40 evolved version.

But yeah, it would be cool if they just kept non Hybrids looking normal.
 
Spared no expenses. lol

The majority of the Hybrid toy line seems to be species taken straight from the Ludia game. Since most of their Dinos look normal, with more spikes and crazier colors, this seems to be par the course.

As an aside - talk about a major missed opportunity not including a QR code to get the rex in that Ludia game. Anyways:


  • Chomping Jaws
  • 'Spike Reveal' feature
  • Electronic SFX

When you consider that rather than simply repaint the toy, they added spikes that are tied to an action feature, and electronics, it's more than the usual effort.

Plus the paint job is way better than anything else from the Jurassic World toy line, with more colors and details. All for $19.99, the same price it initially retailed for with only the chomping jaw feature. It's an improvement, and the ugly sculpt is less noticeable now that it is a 'hybrid'.

To put it into perspective, things rarely get better on the lines not tied to a film.

I think this a mix of things: Universal taking the Jurassic brand more seriously, Hasbro reevaluating the quality of their toys, and Hasbro taking the Jurassic brand more seriously.

If Universal pushes decent brand support for Jurassic in the future, the toys may not be half bad. I'd kill for some Classic Jurassic, plus toys tied to expanded fiction.

Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing the rest.
 

Jawmuncher

Member
There's an actual Jurassic Park EU?

The iOS game at this point is basically that. It actual mentions what Owens job was before JW, and that Barry had set the blind date Claire and Owen mention in the movie. Though that's all with a grain of salt. Since I'm sure universal could get rid of all of it if need be.

The rest of the titles such as comics, or the JP games always purposefully don't take place around the movies. I'm pretty sure that technically Trespasser is canon. Though obviously something like Chaos Island isn't.

So more than likely were looking at
-Jurassic World iOS (Info from the game not the game itself)
-TLW:JP Trespasser
-Jurassic Park: The game (Telltale)
And even some of the comics being canon just due to their timelines/events not affecting anything laid out by the movies. I haven't really delved into those however because they look kind of lame. Also dunno what it is about Jurassic Park and Drug Lords that people like so much, I'm pretty sure there's two stories revolving around that,
 
The majority of the Hybrid toy line seems to be species taken straight from the Ludia game. Since most of their Dinos look normal, with more spikes and crazier colors, this seems to be par the course.

As an aside - talk about a major missed opportunity not including a QR code to get the rex in that Ludia game. Anyways:


  • Chomping Jaws
  • 'Spike Reveal' feature
  • Electronic SFX

When you consider that rather than simply repaint the toy, they added spikes that are tied to an action feature, and electronics, it's more than the usual effort.

Plus the paint job is way better than anything else from the Jurassic World toy line, with more colors and details. All for $19.99, the same price it initially retailed for with only the chomping jaw feature. It's an improvement, and the ugly sculpt is less noticeable now that it is a 'hybrid'.

To put it into perspective, things rarely get better on the lines not tied to a film.

I think this a mix of things: Universal taking the Jurassic brand more seriously, Hasbro reevaluating the quality of their toys, and Hasbro taking the Jurassic brand more seriously.

If Universal pushes decent brand support for Jurassic in the future, the toys may not be half bad. I'd kill for some Classic Jurassic, plus toys tied to expanded fiction.

Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing the rest.


Any listings online for it yet? Where did you get the pics?

I collected a ton of the JW stuff and liked a lot of it. The Growlers series was the best quality wise. The large Indominous is what we need more of, the rubber/plastic combo was perfect and reminded me a lot of the original Kenner line (which I have a set of JP and TLW).

Any ETA on release dates? I thought we would have got these in time for the holiday spending spree.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
The iOS game at this point is basically that. It actual mentions what Owens job was before JW, and that Barry had set the blind date Claire and Owen mention in the movie. Though that's all with a grain of salt. Since I'm sure universal could get rid of all of it if need be.

The rest of the titles such as comics, or the JP games always purposefully don't take place around the movies. I'm pretty sure that technically Trespasser is canon. Though obviously something like Chaos Island isn't.

So more than likely were looking at
-Jurassic World iOS (Info from the game not the game itself)
-TLW:JP Trespasser
-Jurassic Park: The game (Telltale)
And even some of the comics being canon just due to their timelines/events not affecting anything laid out by the movies. I haven't really delved into those however because they look kind of lame. Also dunno what it is about Jurassic Park and Drug Lords that people like so much, I'm pretty sure there's two stories revolving around that,

Ah, that's true. Trespasser I guess could fall into EU territory rather than just spinoff. Shame they haven't remade that game to be good, I loved the Attenborough bits sprinkled throughout... actually you could say the same for the Telltale game too. There were two or three sequences that were genuinely good, and then it was just wrapped up in bad QTEs and characters that went nowhere. Le sigh. Just give me my open world Isla Nublar survival game already.

And you reminded me that the LEGO Jurassic World game has little EU bits in the loading sequences as well—Masrani started work on the park in '97, Wu ended up back on the island in '94 to assist in the cleanup.
 
Any listings online for it yet? Where did you get the pics?

I collected a ton of the JW stuff and liked a lot of it. The Growlers series was the best quality wise. The large Indominous is what we need more of, the rubber/plastic combo was perfect and reminded me a lot of the original Kenner line (which I have a set of JP and TLW).

Any ETA on release dates? I thought we would have got these in time for the holiday spending spree.

Here's the known list of upcoming items:

  • Jurassic World Alpha Cycle and Hybrid Raptor Pack UPC 63050946452
  • Jurassic World Hybrid Raptor 1 B8635 Growler UPC 63050946453
  • Jurassic World Hybrid Pteraminus Growler UPC 630509476404
  • Jurassic World Hybrid Dilophosaurus Growler UPC 630509476411
  • Jurassic World Hybrid Armor Ankylosaurus B8629 Basher Biter UPC 63050945936
  • Jurassic World Hybrid Armor Indominus Rex B8628 Basher Biter UPC 63050945937
  • Jurassic World Hybrid SpinoRaptor B8633 Basher Biter UPC 63050946348
  • Jurassic World Hybrid Stegoceratops B8632 Basher Biter UPC 63050946349
  • Jurassic World Hybrid CarnoRaptor B8631 Basher Biter UPC 63050946350
  • Jurassic World Hybrid Dilophosaurus Rex B8630 Basher Biter UPC 63050946449
  • Jurassic World Hybrid Tyrannosaurus Basher Biter UPC 630509471614

That Hybrid rex could hit as soon as this or next month considering the pro-shot, packaged photos. The rest are probably hitting between March and May.

Universal/Habsro/Lego/ were just not prepared for the success of JW, especially on the merchandise level, so the sustain program wasn't fully prepared.

There's an actual Jurassic Park EU?

Not yet.

The iOS game at this point is basically that. It actual mentions what Owens job was before JW, and that Barry had set the blind date Claire and Owen mention in the movie. Though that's all with a grain of salt. Since I'm sure universal could get rid of all of it if need be.

The rest of the titles such as comics, or the JP games always purposefully don't take place around the movies. I'm pretty sure that technically Trespasser is canon. Though obviously something like Chaos Island isn't.

So more than likely were looking at
-Jurassic World iOS (Info from the game not the game itself)
-TLW:JP Trespasser
-Jurassic Park: The game (Telltale)
And even some of the comics being canon just due to their timelines/events not affecting anything laid out by the movies. I haven't really delved into those however because they look kind of lame. Also dunno what it is about Jurassic Park and Drug Lords that people like so much, I'm pretty sure there's two stories revolving around that,

The IOS stuff is canon I believe, the rest is not - however, bits and pieces have been borrowed from and preserved.

Ah, that's true. Trespasser I guess could fall into EU territory rather than just spinoff. Shame they haven't remade that game to be good, I loved the Attenborough bits sprinkled throughout... actually you could say the same for the Telltale game too. There were two or three sequences that were genuinely good, and then it was just wrapped up in bad QTEs and characters that went nowhere. Le sigh. Just give me my open world Isla Nublar survival game already.

And you reminded me that the LEGO Jurassic World game has little EU bits in the loading sequences as well—Masrani started work on the park in '97, Wu ended up back on the island in '94 to assist in the cleanup.

Yeah, the extended info in the Lego game is canon as well. It all had to get Colins approval.
 

bengraven

Member
Of all those nostalgia loaded franchises Jurassic Park seems generally the most neglected of them all.

Seriously.

I would love someone to get the Critchton family to authorize official follow ups to the books, set in the books universe with the same level of science and authenticity.

Also, a Clone Wars quality JP cartoon series would be great. Maybe each season is another arc, the first being them trying to get JW under control. Then maybe season 2 could be a more accurate adaptation of the Lost World novel, with them trying to find Grant or Malcolm on Site B (instead of Levine, but I'm game for Levine as well).
 
Of all those nostalgia loaded franchises Jurassic Park seems generally the most neglected of them all.

I'm pretty ok with it actually. Because of it there's a really awesome collectors community for Jurassic Park stuff and I like not being visually bombarded by everything from Campbell's soup cans to Q-Tips (goddamn Force Awakens marketing).
 

Fuchsdh

Member
Seriously.

I would love someone to get the Critchton family to authorize official follow ups to the books, set in the books universe with the same level of science and authenticity.

Hopefully with less author-as-Ian-Malcolm-ranting-at-me moments.

While I like Crichton, and enjoy the novel Jurassic Park, I will 100% say without hesitation that Jurassic Park the film is superior in every respect.
 

bengraven

Member
Hopefully with less author-as-Ian-Malcolm-ranting-at-me moments.

While I like Crichton, and enjoy the novel Jurassic Park, I will 100% say without hesitation that Jurassic Park the film is superior in every respect.

I like getting lost in the science, but I agree that a BETTER author would be great. Crich's character lacked any human sympathy in my opinion. With the exception of maybe Grant and his relationship with the kids, everyone else in his books had a very professional relationship. The romances he attempted once or twice were pretty bad and only because I think he felt he needed them there.

Everyone was a Malcolm - cold and obsessed with science...the only human trait everyone had was they liked beer. Beer to Crichton was basically how you could tell a bad guy from a good guy.

That said, the pure science porn of dinosaurs alive today; their genetics, behaviors, relationships, the gore and reek of them after a kill, was fucking fantastic.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
I like getting lost in the science, but I agree that a BETTER author would be great. Crich's character lacked any human sympathy in my opinion. With the exception of maybe Grant and his relationship with the kids, everyone else in his books had a very professional relationship. The romances he attempted once or twice were pretty bad and only because I think he felt he needed them there.

Everyone was a Malcolm - cold and obsessed with science...the only human trait everyone had was they liked beer. Beer to Crichton was basically how you could tell a bad guy from a good guy.

That said, the pure science porn of dinosaurs alive today; their genetics, behaviors, relationships, the gore and reek of them after a kill, was fucking fantastic.

The one scene I do think would have been great to really see come alive in film from the novel was the image of the raptors on the roof chewing their way through the skylight bars, spit raining down on Malcolm. I do think we've gotten variations of basically every other big scene through the first three movies now.

Also: while the movie by and large made everyone more relatable, I do feel bad for Gennaro. He was the character I probably liked most in the book, and he just got merged with the publicist and eaten in the movie.
 
That's a nice touch. Shame Johnston didn't get a minifig along with Spielberg and Trev though :|

Oh, he didn't?

That's weird.. perhaps he asked not to be put in the game?

I'm surprised that there is not any POP! Jurassic Park / World figures... This would be a no-brainer here.

As long as Hasbro owns the master license, it won't happen. Sadly.

What kills me is that Hasbro isn't even putting out something to compete with it. And if I am not mistaken, some of their own brands have pop figures.

Seriously.

I would love someone to get the Critchton family to authorize official follow ups to the books, set in the books universe with the same level of science and authenticity.

Also, a Clone Wars quality JP cartoon series would be great. Maybe each season is another arc, the first being them trying to get JW under control. Then maybe season 2 could be a more accurate adaptation of the Lost World novel, with them trying to find Grant or Malcolm on Site B (instead of Levine, but I'm game for Levine as well).

If new books come, I'd prefer they were written for the films continuity rather than the novel. However, I would love if they borrowed thematically from the novels and perhaps bring in some of the characters that never made the movies.

I would like a cartoon as well, but I just don't see it happening in today's market.

Gimme a high budget Live Action anthology mini series that follows different new characters in the JW park each episode... that seems like it could work.
 

bengraven

Member
If new books come, I'd prefer they were written for the films continuity rather than the novel. However, I would love if they borrowed thematically from the novels and perhaps bring in some of the characters that never made the movies.

I would like a cartoon as well, but I just don't see it happening in today's market.

Gimme a high budget Live Action anthology mini series that follows different new characters in the JW park each episode... that seems like it could work.

I would be very okay with this. I'd love to see Arby and Levine or even Ed Regis (god, they could have called her Edie Regis and then had her eaten by a mosasaurus) become cinematic characters.

I just want more JP books.

I remember not knowing they were going to do a sequel to Jurassic Park. It was JUST before I got access to the internet at school. I walked into our local department store chain and saw a very similar cover to JP. My first thought seeing "Lost World" was that someone put out the classic novel with a JP like cover. Then I saw Crichton's name. I opened it and was like "it's going to be a novel having no connection to JP except maybe dinosaurs" or "maybe this is a prequel" (especially after I saw that Malcolm was back).

That map, though.

map02.jpg


Got it for Christmas, went to spend a week with my uncle the day after Christmas and sat on his couch reading the novel the whole time.

The one scene I do think would have been great to really see come alive in film from the novel was the image of the raptors on the roof chewing their way through the skylight bars, spit raining down on Malcolm. I do think we've gotten variations of basically every other big scene through the first three movies now.

Also: while the movie by and large made everyone more relatable, I do feel bad for Gennaro. He was the character I probably liked most in the book, and he just got merged with the publicist and eaten in the movie.

I love that scene. I remember them trying to calculate how long it would take them to bite through the bars. My favorite scenes not in the movies yet:

- the raptors leaping to try and get over the gate - in fact, the entire scene with Ellie and Muldoon, the foggy, spooky scene. Seriously people, if you've never read the novels you need to. They're so damn atmospheric.

- hunting the T-rex. I mean, fucking seriously? Muldoon and Gennaro go after the T-rex. If it makes it in the movie of course our characters would be murdered horribly, but I love the entire tense trip and firing at the charging animal with the rockets. Going after the Irex with an army and some raptors just didn't have that same tension as two older men going to try and find the single most dangerous predator of all time with just two rockets and a launcher.

- the cage and the raptor nest from LW. would be awesome and atmospheric and our movie raptors would likely being doing this to set up a trap.

- the car being shit on by a T-rex. Okay, maybe not the shit, but the idea of a T-rex coming upon people in a car and re-enacting the Cruiser scene from JP. I know the movies are all HIGH FLYING ADVENTURE but I love the tense scenes in the books if you can't tell. Ian freezing up after having not seen a T-rex since being nearly fatally bit was a great bit.

- a herbivore death - wait, no this never happens in movies or books, but I want a herbivore to kill someone. A baddie of course. Some Trike to run a man through or a Bronto to trample someone. If you want to show us something new, show us this.
 
So how would you feel if they gave Joe Johnston a second chance with Jurassic World 2?

I'd prefer not.

Realistically, here's who I think may end up with the gig (or already has):

David Robert Mitchell (It Follows)
Michael Dougherty (Krampus)
Alex Garland (Ex-Machina)
Baltasar Kormákur (Everest)
 

bengraven

Member
I honestly would have liked JPIII a bit more without that crew in place (and no Kirbys).

Everything from the direction to the cinematography to the color grading gets on my nerves.

Other than that, I don't mind the film.

Alex Garland (Ex-Machina)

I want that too much for it to happen.
 

Gravidee

Member
- a herbivore death - wait, no this never happens in movies or books, but I want a herbivore to kill someone. A baddie of course. Some Trike to run a man through or a Bronto to trample someone. If you want to show us something new, show us this.

This is something I'd like to see. Anytime an herbivore attacked someone in the movies the person or people always got away or were just injured a little. Let's see some Brachios stomp some fools for treading into their territory!
 
I want that too much for it to happen.

He's the one I want the most on that list, followed by Dougherty.

But I am pretty sure it will be DRM.

This is something I'd like to see. Anytime an herbivore attacked someone in the movies the person or people always got away or were just injured a little. Let's see some Brachios stomp some fools for treading into their territory!

I'd LOVE to see a stampede of Triceratops, and see them portrayed as a threat and do some real damage.

I always imagined a scene with Velociraptors hunting a Trike herd, the camera watching them from above as they close in... much like wolves with Bison.

The hunt crosses paths with our heroes, and something like this plays out:

lqywQBy.jpg
 

Amalthea

Banned
Short writeup about the original SNES game wich contains scans of the actual game doc by one of the creators Jay Beard:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/original-jurassic-park-snes-game-design-jay-beard

It's interesting to read what was considered original, and innovative back then. :) Though I do feel we did some pretty cool things with this game- it would have been better with battery backed up RAM. ;)
Don't cha say...

It's also a bit sad that they didn't use the idea with the color stripes on the walls to ease the orientation during the FPS segments.
 
I'd love to see triceratops as a threat, but even more I'd like the series to get away from "carnivore bad, herbivore good". As dumb as it could be, I appreciated that JW tried to add a little nuance behind the carnivores and their behavior (at least, sometimes).

Give us that scene from the JP book where the Rex is just napping peacefully (prior to it waking and swimming towards them to eat them). Or, instead of a sick/wounded herbivore, give us a sick/wounded carnivore that needs aid.

The monster-movie pteranodons were fun in JW but one of the worst parts, IMO, especially when the rest of the movie was pushing for "they're animals, not monsters" thing.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
I'd love to see triceratops as a threat, but even more I'd like the series to get away from "carnivore bad, herbivore good". As dumb as it could be, I appreciated that JW tried to add a little nuance behind the carnivores and their behavior (at least, sometimes).

Give us that scene from the JP book where the Rex is just napping peacefully (prior to it waking and swimming towards them to eat them). Or, instead of a sick/wounded herbivore, give us a sick/wounded carnivore that needs aid.

The monster-movie pteranodons were fun in JW but one of the worst parts, IMO, especially when the rest of the movie was pushing for "they're animals, not monsters" thing.

Yeah my question of why the Pteranodons are all blood-thirsty remains. At least in JP3 they had the idea they were territorial and feeding their young. In JW they act like a biker gang that just broke out of prison.
 

bengraven

Member
He's the one I want the most on that list, followed by Dougherty.

But I am pretty sure it will be DRM.



I'd LOVE to see a stampede of Triceratops, and see them portrayed as a threat and do some real damage.

I always imagined a scene with Velociraptors hunting a Trike herd, the camera watching them from above as they close in... much like wolves with Bison.

The hunt crosses paths with our heroes, and something like this plays out:

lqywQBy.jpg

That's actually one of the pictures that made me want to see more dangerous herbivores. I got that as a card (with about 5 others) in the Jurassic Park: Raptor limited series comics from Topps.

And the scenario you wrote is exactly why I would love a truer adaptation of The Lost World.

Hell, I just wish we could send cameras back to the past - I'd watch 24 hours of true dinosaur nature videos.

Jurassic World 2 will secretly be a Valley of Gwangi remake.

If you know my posting history you might know I love westerns and dinosaurs and would be so fucking down with this.

Yeah my question of why the Pteranodons are all blood-thirsty remains. At least in JP3 they had the idea they were territorial and feeding their young. In JW they act like a biker gang that just broke out of prison.

And chances are that even the larger ones likely were fish eaters or small animal hunters. That tiny ass fucking rhamp that attacks Owen? Seriously, he must have a steak in his coat.
 

Amalthea

Banned
I totally could see a Gwangi/Fury Road approach for JW 2. Like InGen built a desert facility in a mostly closed off canyon but when the security systems break down a huge herd of herbivores start to leave the canyon in a great migration, dumb thing is that there is a middle sized city close to the only exit of the canyon so a ragtag group of cowherders, mercernaries and paleo-behaviorists try to keep the herd from leaving the valley using various vehicles and maybe even horses. And then the herd also gets chased by Raptors and a T-Rex with a climatic battle between a T-Rex and maybe a Triceratops in the city.
 

strafer

member
Well well
"Jurassic Park is one of John's most recognized, beloved scores," says FCL producer Jamie Richardson. "The dinosaurs are created through special effects, but the reason they live and breathe is John's music." The film debuts this fall with an unannounced symphony.

When considering a title, FCL's first step is to consult with the filmmaker and the composer, since the presentation often involves adding new music leading into and out of the intermission. Williams will oversee that process for Jurassic Park. FCL then licenses the film from the appropriate studio and begins shopping the title to symphonies. FCL will make a push for Jurassic Park at Association of Performing Arts Presenters' (APAP) New York convention, which starts Jan. 15.
 
Very cool.

I still say Giacchino's score is the most underrated score this year but then again so is the score for Force Awakens because people are too fucking nostalgia driven to give anything new a chance.
 
I was expecting a oscar nom to be honest

I wasn't. There are factors though. I can tell you right now if the Force Awakens score wasn't by John Williams, it wouldn't have been nominated-- and I've been defending that score night and day for a month.

There's a lot of politics with Oscar nominations, basically.
 

strafer

member
I wasn't. There are factors though, none of which I feel like getting into. But I can tell you right now if the Force Awakens score wasn't by John Williams, it wouldn't have been nominated-- and I've been defending that score night and day for a month.

There's a lot of politics with Oscar nominations, basically.

Yeah. I believe every movie he has scored has been nominated.

It's fucking nuts.
 
Yeah. I believe every movie he has scored has been nominated.

It's fucking nuts.

I don't think it's nuts per se, they're usually great but here it's a simple matter of he's old and recognized. If another composer did that score, and even better, but for a less critically acclaimed film like Jurassic World, it wouldn't have been nominated.

I fucking LOVE the TFA score and again I'm a huge defender of it here on GAF, but TFA's RT score, the acclaim the film had in general, the name of the composer all factor into it. The academy voters also don't listen through and weigh and examine every score for every film and I honestly understand that.

But there are politics involved, and that's why it didn't receive a nom.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
I don't think it's nuts per se, they're usually great but here it's a simple matter of he's old and recognized. If another composer did that score, and even better, but for a less critically acclaimed film like Jurassic World, it wouldn't have been nominated.

I fucking LOVE the TFA score and again I'm a huge defender of it here on GAF, but TFA's RT score, the acclaim the film had in general, the name of the composer all factor into it. The academy voters also don't listen through and weigh and examine every score for every film and I honestly understand that.

But there are politics involved, and that's why it didn't receive a nom.

That's why I don't get why everyone gets up in arms about Oscars, from "X didn't get nominated" to "where are the black people". It's an industry awards show. There's only a slight correlation with actual talent, insofar as you can be objective about it. It's only relevant if you give a shit.

On the subject of soundtracks, until someone posted that John Williams thread a few days ago I didn't even realize there was a 20th anniversary rerelease of the Jurassic Park soundtrack with bonus tracks; sadly iTunes only sells the complete album, and I have no interest in paying again for the soundtrack (which was, along with the first Arctic Monkeys album, I believe the first music purchase I ever made.)
 
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