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'Killzone: Shadow Fall' Class Action Lawsuit Can Proceed, Judge Rules

Hilarious that this is actually going through to court. Class action lawsuit because the game is only technically 1080p horizontally? This is is such transparently bullshit lawsuit.

If anything, what will it solve? It's not like it will make the game better. All it's going to do is line the wallet of a lawsuit happy attorney, and maybe cause the industry to be slightly more cautious when advertising buzzwords.
 

No Love

Banned
Absolute fucking horseshit. If these guys can get sued, 90% of other publishers should be sued for bullshots and downgradeathons like Watch Dogs.

I hope this shit gets thrown out in court.
 

MJLord

Member
But I feel this kind of view does exactly what you claim you don't want to do, muddy the waters. If you allow several levels of quality to fall under the "native 1080p" tag then you muddy what "native 1080p" means.

and being at its very easy to draw a line as to what native 1080p entails (the games rendering buffers being 1080p) It's best for consumers to keep that line well defined else the term is left open to misuse, like Aron Greenburgs infamous "x1 outputs all games at 1080p" referring to the console upscaling from whatever resolution the game is rendering at. And while Killzones upscaling algorithm is really good and has very few artefacts, the fact remains that the game is not being rendered at native 1080p and because of that there is a small loss in image quality.


this is unrealted really, as when the term "rendered in native 1080p" is used it usually refers to the rendering of the geometry, its is quite normal for shadow maps and the like to be a different resolution.

It's a good point. I think I'm trying to judge the overall coming together of an image without letting the amount of pixels be a factor. That's where we differ I think.

We might have to just disagree and leave it at that.

this is unrealted really, as when the term "rendered in native 1080p" is used it usually refers to the rendering of the geometry, its is quite normal for shadow maps and the like to be a different resolution.
I'm aware, I was trying(failing) to be funny.
 

Crayon

Member
This would be kind of cool if it was going after a game that is actually broken or actually was sold with false advertising.
 

Hubble

Member
Hilarious that this is actually going through to court. Class action lawsuit because the game is only technically 1080p horizontally? This is is such transparently bullshit lawsuit.

If anything, what will it solve? It's not like it will make the game better. All it's going to do is line the wallet of a lawsuit happy attorney, and maybe cause the industry to be slightly more cautious when advertising buzzwords.

Why would you not be happy about this? It will make gaming companies think twice before they false advertise.
 

whitehawk

Banned
What's too bad about this is that Guerilla has been absolutely fantastic to the KZ Shadowfall fanbase, and now they are hit with this.

Free maps, constant support, solid updates/patches, new game additions, free DLC.
 

Vena

Member
Lawsuit isn't over output, its about the render. The game renders 960x1080 in multiplayer, and then interpolates the other 960 vertical. Seems pretty clear cut here, no?
 

Nafai1123

Banned
Hilarious that this is actually going through to court. Class action lawsuit because the game is only technically 1080p horizontally? This is is such transparently bullshit lawsuit.

If anything, what will it solve? It's not like it will make the game better. All it's going to do is line the wallet of a lawsuit happy attorney, and maybe cause the industry to be slightly more cautious when advertising buzzwords.

If anything it will further obfuscate details developers are willing to disclose leading up to launch and will just lead to more confusion among gamers. I mean which developers will actually want to confirm 1080p prior to launch if it means a possible lawsuit?

Moreover, this detracts from REAL problems that multiple games have had upon release this year and blurs the lines between what should and should not be pursued. I would much rather see a class action suit against games that were released broken or unfinished. This just reeks of opportunism.

Even if you think this is dumb, people fought for our right as citizens to have cases like these.

They also fought for our right to speak up and criticize. The lawsuit culture in America is fucking appalling.
 

ryuken-d

Member
Come on, hope he wins.

its just sad that out of all the gaming fuck ups all the terrible shit that's been going on like, sim city or BF4 or Diablo I'm surprised its this that gets a course case. for crying out load they gave the new DLC maps out for free! Not the game I would pick to cause a lawsuit.
 

ironcreed

Banned
Every bit of footage I have seen of this game looks gorgeous, regardless of resolution. I cannot wait for my copy to arrive.
 

ryuken-d

Member
oh yeah and duh what about watchdogs and the halo collection and AA unity. jesus man, you've got broken games and flat out ugly (comparatively) games. not cool man.
 
If this does happen, maybe it will stop publishers releasing broken games and be more transparent on what to expect.

If Sim City didn't even bring the matches but Killzone Shadowfall managed to burn down the house, then I don't see this as something that's gonna affect every publisher. 1st parties maybe, but not 3rd parties.
 

Taurus

Member
Absolute fucking horseshit. If these guys can get sued, 90% of other publishers should be sued for bullshots and downgradeathons like Watch Dogs.

I hope this shit gets thrown out in court.

And they should ge sued. How the fuck do you take a multinational corporation's side in this? Do you like to bend over or what? If we gamers don't stand up for our rights as customers then who the fuck will?

Fuck false advertising in games! If they get at least fined for this maybe this will act as a warning to other publishers as well. EA with BF4 and Ubi with AC:U should also be sued like this for releasing broken products.
 
This guy should have every penny of his drained. Anyone supporting this nonsense is out of there mind.

Guerrilla's response to the obnoxiously vocal "60 FPS OR DIE" community pulled out some wizardry and got the Multi-player running at 1080/60, and this is what they get for their effort lol.

And they should ge sued. How the fuck do you take a multinational corporation's side in this? Do you like to bend over or what? If we gamers don't stand up for our rights as customers then who the fuck will?

Fuck false advertising in games! If they get at least fined for this maybe this will act as a warning to other publishers as well. EA with BF4 and Ubi with AC:U should also be sued like this for releasing broken products.

What was even falsely advertised? Of all the crap that's gone down this gen, this game actually changed based on what gamer's said they wanted. Killzone Shadowsfall multiplayer came to be from our demands. Then they get sued.
 
And they should ge sued. How the fuck do you take a multinational corporation's side on this? Do you like to bend over or what?

Fuck false advertising in games! If they get at least fined for this maybe this will act as a warning to other publishers as well. EA with BF4 and Ubi with AC:U should also be sued like this.

I'm fine with suing them, but this is a product of fanboyism more than a product of not wanting to be lied to.

An entire year of shitty, falsely advertised games have released since the release of KZSF, and not one person has ever mentioned suing the devs/pubs of those games. If this was actually gonna carry over into people finally saying "enough is enough", then atleast one person would be trying to sue any one of the devs/pubs of those games.
 

KageMaru

Member
I wonder if the defense could use the difference between output and native resolution as an argument. Plenty of games past Gen were marked as 1080p on the box even though they didn't natively render at that resolution. I know this trial is more about false marketing than a number on a case but it could prove to be a strong argument.
 

Gestault

Member
Unless there's obvious evidence that there were false statements used to promote the game, there's very little risk here. Also, the whole point of a Class Action lawsuit is to allow legal recourse in a situation where a large number of people are effected by wrongdoing in a case where individual legal remedy wouldn't be feasible. It's a necessary component of law, and the point isn't to make the body of plantiffs rich.
 
I don't get people defending false advertising.
I know Guerrila has been awesome with th e game, but false advertising should be punished severely. If no one is suing Ubisoft and Microsoft and whatever publisher it is the public's fault for being so lenient with corporate abuse. Just file a lawsuit if it bothers you that much that other people are taking a stance against an abominable practice.
 

David___

Banned
I wonder if the defense could use the difference between output and native resolution as an argument. Plenty of games past Gen were marked as 1080p on the box even though they didn't natively render at that resolution. I know this trial is more about false marketing than a number on a case but it could prove to be a strong argument.

They don't even need to go that far. They did their blog post about the technique they did to get faux 1080p a whole 2-3 months before the guy bought the game in the first place.
 
I don't get people defending false advertising.
I know Guerrila has been awesome with th e game, but false advertising should be punished severely. If no one is suing Ubisoft and Microsoft and whatever publisher it is the public's fault for being so lenient with corporate abuse. Just file a lawsuit if it bothers you that much that other people are taking a stance against an abominable practice.

I don't think anyone's defending false advertising. The game outputs 1080p, it merely gets there via other methods.
 

Blackthorn

"hello?" "this is vagina"
Of all the absolute disasters we've seen over the past twelve months, it's a game that is highly technically accomplished that's getting sued.

Bwuh.
 
What was the false advertising with Halo and AC? The dedicated server thing in Halo? Well they have a good defense to that, in that they're working on it. Not really worth bringing a case for. Otherwise, I don't see what they'd sue about. You can't sue because you bought a broken game. People buy crappy products all the time; just because it's crappy doesn't make it illegal.

Says 1080p 60fps for MCC but Halo 2 is not full 1080p, is that not false advertising?
 

thelastword

Banned
Campaign is 1080p native, Mp is not, anybody trying to say that shadowfall's mp is 1080p is being very misleading. I liked KZ's SP's graphics and singleplayer a good bit, I'm a sony fan also, there's no way Shadowfall's MP can or should be marketed as 1080p.

In the very same way that COD AW is not native on the xbone and a number of other games, the MP of Shadowfall is not full hd. The method they're using, though it's not traditional upscaling is not comparable to a game rendering at 1920 * 1080p, it's not comparable in quality nor is it comparable in the amount of power necessary to render a full native 1080p image.

It may be a new technique, some may use the best adjectives they can find to describe it, the method is still in the class of upscaled images and it's ilk.
 
Campaign is 1080p native, Mp is not, anybody trying to say that shadowfall's mp is 1080p is being very misleading. I liked KZ's SP's graphics and singleplayer a good bit, I'm a sony fan also, there's no way Shadowfall's MP can or should be marketed as 1080p.

In the very same way that COD AW is not native on the xbone and a number of other games, the MP of Shadowfall is not full hd. The method they're using, though it's not traditional upscaling is not comparable to a game rendering at 1920 * 1080p, it's not comparable in quality nor is it comparable in the amount of power necessary to render a full native 1080p image.

It may be a new technique, some may use the best adjectives they can find to describe it, the method is still in the class of upscaled images and it's ilk.

It's not an up-scaled image though. That's what people don't seem to be understanding. The image that the card pushes to the screen is a full resolution 1080p image. It's not like it stretched a 720p image, all the pixels are accounted for. It's just the technique used to generate said pixels is essentially rendering black magic.

This guy is essentially suing Guerrilla over a blurry game.

Anyone else know any blurry games and hoping to cash in a bit?
 
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