KINGSGLAIVE: Final Fantasy XV Thread: Everything for the future king
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It doesn't really provide us what what we don't already know.
The movie, like the title, is more about the Kingsglaive, or rather a Kingsglaive known as Nyx. Since it doesn't really establish the group that well. Would have been good if they actually showed how this group was formed but the movie already starts in media res.
I feel that if the function of this film is to setup what the game is about, it might have failed on that aspect.
There was no reason as to why they couldn't have obmited a group like the Kingsglaives and just retain the necessary scenes and leave them in the game as it is. It feels like the glaives were created for the purpose of this film and they've not been well explored because the movie also has to talk about the invasion, Regis and Luna. I thought it would have been better to just do a film focused on Regis, his relationship with Noctis and the eventual invasion, and leave the Kingglaives as footnotes like they probably will be in the final game.
There isn't any mentioning of deities at all. Just how the bearer of the ring has to be judged by the old kings of Lucis and that a supposed ancient or powerful being is trapped in the ring itself. There isn't much lore in this but they did mention how Regis is getting too weak and old to continue fighting. No mention of Astrals and what not but something about Luna's destiny. They didn't say she's an oracle as well, only a princess. I might have forgotten or miss out on some of the dialogue as I wasn't feeling well so maybe duckroll and the rest can add on.
YankeeDonB
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Disappointed to hear about the overcut battles and that the movie tries to squeeze too much in. Not surprised mind you, about what I expected.
Most modern action movies (e.g. anything with superheroes) have way too many characters and way too many scenes. Not sure how we got to this point from well paced mainstream masterpieces like Die Hard and Terminator, but, especially in contrast to better and better long-arc TV, it's depressing. Would have been a lot to ask for a game company to buck this trend.
But then, that's part of why I like long story-driven RPGs. The characters, world, and action (when these are worth a damn) have space to breathe.
Still, Kingsglaive at least sounds like reasonable fan service, so I'll still watch with some anticipation.
Most modern action movies (e.g. anything with superheroes) have way too many characters and way too many scenes. Not sure how we got to this point from well paced mainstream masterpieces like Die Hard and Terminator, but, especially in contrast to better and better long-arc TV, it's depressing. Would have been a lot to ask for a game company to buck this trend.
But then, that's part of why I like long story-driven RPGs. The characters, world, and action (when these are worth a damn) have space to breathe.
Still, Kingsglaive at least sounds like reasonable fan service, so I'll still watch with some anticipation.
Well, what's the tolerance level for spoilers here? I can talk about that all day... In fact, I was talking to Falk about it just a moment ago!
I think everything should be fair game as long as you spoiler tag it.
I mean if you want an additional layer of safety you could even state what kind of spoiler it is - Kingsglaive spoiler, game rumination spoiler, things-mentioned-in-marketing spoiler for the anti-spoiler aficionados among us (who are browsing this thread because of a freak accident) etc.
That's what I've been doing.
That's what I've been doing.
Okay about the deities in FFXV based on Kingsglaive...
King Regis has a ring called the Lucis Eye or something like that. It's passed down from generation to generation, king to king, and contained great power channeled by all the Lucian kings of old. I guess the concept is kinda like Lion King except with actual magic power behind it.
Anyway various people try to use this power towards the end of the film, but as long as they are not worthy their arm burns up instead. At the end Nyx puts the ring on and taunts the kings about how they don't really care about the people and so on. In the magic vision the kings are all giant shadowy forms which definitely invoked the sense of Fal'Cie. In the end they agree to lend him their power in exchange for his life at daybreak. Nyx gets all powered up, and all the giant statues throughout Insomnia come to life as Knights of the Round to fight Diamond Weapon.
The FNC stuff is never specifically mentioned, but the idea of ancient god kings who grant chosen mortals great power in exchange for a contract is very reminiscent of Fal'Cie and L'Cie. Not to mention how there are references to a legend about "The Old War" and how it's not just a fairy tale.
Anyway various people try to use this power towards the end of the film, but as long as they are not worthy their arm burns up instead. At the end Nyx puts the ring on and taunts the kings about how they don't really care about the people and so on. In the magic vision the kings are all giant shadowy forms which definitely invoked the sense of Fal'Cie. In the end they agree to lend him their power in exchange for his life at daybreak. Nyx gets all powered up, and all the giant statues throughout Insomnia come to life as Knights of the Round to fight Diamond Weapon.
The FNC stuff is never specifically mentioned, but the idea of ancient god kings who grant chosen mortals great power in exchange for a contract is very reminiscent of Fal'Cie and L'Cie. Not to mention how there are references to a legend about "The Old War" and how it's not just a fairy tale.
Everything gets spoiler tagged until the film is released in digital form. Talking about general details like motion capture, music or art direction is ok to do without spoilers, but everything related to the plot and scenes not shown on promotional media should be done with spoilers.
chozen
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The Amano painting is in Kingsglaive, but they moved it from a painting on display to... a painting... inside the aquarium tank... with Leviathan (?) floating inside it. Lol. Idk. Etro is never mentioned. There's no dialogue at all about seeing the souls of the departed or the light of the dying. All gone.
chozen
Member
Thank you,
I do believe that Goddess (While not named Etro) still has a role to play as I believe she is the one on the Logo and has something to do with the Plague of Stars
PshycoNinja
Member
It's called the Ring of Lucii.
A fair comparison is that to Avatar: The Last Airbender to be honest and not anything really resembling Fal'Cie. Additionally Fal'Cie are tangible, physical things, while the kings of old are...well that's a bigger spoiler.
chozen
Member
Saying FFXV has people with powers, summons, and wars over crystal means it's FNC, is like saying FF6 was also FNC.
Summons are not Eidolons, they are Astrals. There is no Bhunivelze either.
There are no brands or Focus'. Noctis got his powers through the Crystal and being part of the Royal Bloodline. People use magic grenades yes, but the Ring also gives magic according to the trailer, certain people can also use it.
There are some similarities, but this draws back to tropes way before the FNC.
Tabata said himself it's disconnected from the FNC. It's time to stop.
Summons are not Eidolons, they are Astrals. There is no Bhunivelze either.
There are no brands or Focus'. Noctis got his powers through the Crystal and being part of the Royal Bloodline. People use magic grenades yes, but the Ring also gives magic according to the trailer, certain people can also use it.
There are some similarities, but this draws back to tropes way before the FNC.
Tabata said himself it's disconnected from the FNC. It's time to stop.
The feeling I get is that the ringbearers who are deemed worthy are L'Cie, but when the kings die and join the Old Kings, they become like a council of Fal'Cie.
Keep in mind that this would fit the general FNC mythology rather than FFXIII's specific interpretation of it. Fal'Cie are like demigods who govern the land, while L'Cie are "chosen" mortals. There's no indication that Fal'Cie are physical beings. In Type-0 they are the essence of the crystals. In Kingsglaive, the ring itself seems to serve this purpose, as a communication channel between the one seeking power and the guardian spirits of Lucis.
Keep in mind that this would fit the general FNC mythology rather than FFXIII's specific interpretation of it. Fal'Cie are like demigods who govern the land, while L'Cie are "chosen" mortals. There's no indication that Fal'Cie are physical beings. In Type-0 they are the essence of the crystals. In Kingsglaive, the ring itself seems to serve this purpose, as a communication channel between the one seeking power and the guardian spirits of Lucis.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
FF6 was made before FNC existed.
In fact, Fabula Nova Crystallis = "new tales of the crystals". I always thought the pre-FF13 games were the "old" tales of the crystals.
I've been afraid of this ever since I saw the Glaucoma scenes in the trailers. Really disappointed to hear most of the film is like that.
:/
Canceling my Deluxe edition pre-order.
PshycoNinja
Member
This is correct.
Edit:
I get where you're trying to go with it, but it is a stretch.
Versus never was
strongly connected with FNC, with Nomura even saying many elements like l'Cie and Fal'Cie not being in the game back then. The only strong connection to FNC even during the Versus days was Etro.
The connection to FNC for this title has always been almost non-existent. XV is its own universe and doesn't bend to any FNC Mythos.
The connection to FNC for this title has always been almost non-existent. XV is its own universe and doesn't bend to any FNC Mythos.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
PSY・S;213276672 said:
Someone asked about the stuff in the movie, and I'm explaining what was in it and how it appeared to me. Whether it is intended or not is irrelevant since the question was about similarities to FNC themes, not whether it is officially part of the FNC brand. There are definitely similarities especially in the presentation. No need to get your panties in a bunch, we're just discussing themes.
jasminlovesyoux
Banned
These impressions make me sad
NoctisVsStar
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PshycoNinja
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I apologize if I came across as agitated or flustered. That was not intended at all. I did my best to sound as neutral as possible while explaining. I clearly failed in that regard.
Edit:
While I too am disappointed with some of the impressions some have posted, most have been praising the movie. From what I have personally seen, it seems most people who have seen it have been very positive and that's really all one can ask for.
As NoctisVsStar above has said, nothing is legitamently universally praised as people have different expectations and taste when it comes to art. You should watch the movie yourself with an open mind, free of preconceived notions, and form your own opinion, be it positive or negative.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Does it appeal in the way that Advent Children did?
Which is to say... the story is STOOPID..... but it's visual eye candy and delivers aesthetic thrills?
Which is to say... the story is STOOPID..... but it's visual eye candy and delivers aesthetic thrills?
This is all I want, really.
Well, I think it's similar but in different ways. Kingsglaive's story is actually way less stoooopid compared to Advent Children. But it also wants to be taken more seriously, but doesn't quite have what it takes to achieve the desired impact. Some of Advent Children's action is also way better directed than Kingsglaive. But obviously technology has improved much more so this looks way better. Some of the facial capture stuff is really super impressive.
There's a ton of FF fanservice in Kingsglaive too. The scale is also much larger. Would be far more entertaining if I could see what the fuck was going on half the time though.
DarkLordMalik
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Judging from the trailer, I'd say so.
Also the dialogues are good as Duckroll so that's already a plus over AC.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I see. Seems like it pretends to a level of smart political intrigue that it can't quite deliver on..?
Still, I just want shiny pretty, ultimately. Maybe it's sad that this is the level of expectation I have for FF storytelling, but it hasn't been particularly smart since the 90s (in relation to its peers).
unity of the void
Member
Does anyone know how long the select theater run (in the US) is going to be? I may not be able to see it on the 19th, but would definitely be able to that weekend.
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Coming of the spirits within and advent childrens, theres no way this movie can be bad. I mean it has sean bean!
Zoe
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Depends on the theater. My local one is doing four showings, Friday through Monday.
unity of the void
Member
How is it odd? Not everyone is going to like the same thing and people tend to have differing expectations depending on their experiences.
jasminlovesyoux
Banned
Oh I don't let that deter me from ever enjoying something. However if it's a fact that many of the action scenes have poor camera work, then that's just crappy.
chozen
Member
True that... I'm already going to instantly love it for the Lucis visuals and alone tho, and the Versus lite tributes.
rayman1900
Member
Do you know if Kingsglaive will be featured in Canada... it's really lame that the US can see it and not Canada...why are we left off 
Even Crisis Core (and probably Before Crisis, since it's based on the Turks) is filled to the brim with pseudopolitics within Shinra. I guess it's just a Tabata trope at this point.
badcrumble
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Yep. Even in Matsuno's work, the politics affect the plot pretty directly in FFT/TO/VS but in FFXII it's pretty clearly there largely to provide atmosphere and not to have any concrete effects on how the story plays out.
I may be misunderstanding the point here, but are you saying Tabata had a role in FFXII's development? I don't recall that having been the case.
Pretty sure he just talking about Matsuno.
vainglorious
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Yeah I'm not understanding that post either. Is the point that FF has a history of doing politics well but under Matsuno's stewardship? Tabata was working on Crisis Core at the same time FF12 was being developed by Matsuno. There's no overlap between the two.
Hey falk. Matsuno World... where?
When he gets that kickstarter game working.