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Kojima: Do you think of him differently after Metal Gear Solid 5 ? (NO SPOILERS)
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Zomba13
Member
Probably gone down after MGSV to be honest.
Yeah it's a great game that plays very well but it's unfinished with a half arsed story and the only female character is oggled by the camera at every single oppurtunity (and even in the ACC) which is pretty sick.
Plus the whole thing with having so long to work on the game and spending so much and still not being able to fit the small amount of story into the actual game gives the impression he's bad at managing money and time (at least this generation).
Yeah it's a great game that plays very well but it's unfinished with a half arsed story and the only female character is oggled by the camera at every single oppurtunity (and even in the ACC) which is pretty sick.
Plus the whole thing with having so long to work on the game and spending so much and still not being able to fit the small amount of story into the actual game gives the impression he's bad at managing money and time (at least this generation).
Not at all.
No other person in this industry can simply FUCK with you like he can. He is a genius, terrible, crazy, lecherous, contemplative, perfectionist, over ambitious mad man. And thats why we are all fans.
Which probably makes him an auteur of his industry. Warts and all.
No other person in this industry can simply FUCK with you like he can. He is a genius, terrible, crazy, lecherous, contemplative, perfectionist, over ambitious mad man. And thats why we are all fans.
Which probably makes him an auteur of his industry. Warts and all.
I think MGS5 is proof that the man is just tired of metal gear. He and his team still created a fantastic game....It just lacks a lot of what we expect from metal gear.
I'm excited to see him move on. Hopefully he can reunite with some of the team members that he's worked with over the years and we can get something new from those familiar faces.
I'm excited to see him move on. Hopefully he can reunite with some of the team members that he's worked with over the years and we can get something new from those familiar faces.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
I don't think too differently of him. He's a perfectionist with ambitions that exceed constraints. That's been pretty obvious since MGS2. It seems he just got carried away too much with MGSV. Like he wanted to do more, but he wasn't doing so realistically and within time/money restrictions, so ultimately the outcome suffered.
wild wild rice
Member
If he were David Lynch, MGSV would definitely be his Inland Empire. Arduous, unfocused, unfulfilling and tedious with occasional moments of brilliance buried beneath the hours.
But it does nothing to diminish the stature of his earlier works.
But it does nothing to diminish the stature of his earlier works.
Freedom = $1.05
Banned
he is the storyteller we all knew he was
Bolivar687
Banned
Still think he's the greatest game director in the industry today, both in game design and creative, there's no one close on either front, let alone both in one mind.
The internet can be such a strange place when this amazing title with untouchable gameplay is considered "terribly flawed" and full of mistakes. Or this bizarre phenomenon where people are saying they somehow don't like MGS3, like in the OP. Or the ultimate posers, who gush about how much they love MG1 + 2 on the MSX and act like Guns of the Patriots or Peace Walker were completely unexpected travesties.
All of his MGS games are different but each was limited by technology and resources. But all are amazing for what they achieved on that hardware.
The internet can be such a strange place when this amazing title with untouchable gameplay is considered "terribly flawed" and full of mistakes. Or this bizarre phenomenon where people are saying they somehow don't like MGS3, like in the OP. Or the ultimate posers, who gush about how much they love MG1 + 2 on the MSX and act like Guns of the Patriots or Peace Walker were completely unexpected travesties.
All of his MGS games are different but each was limited by technology and resources. But all are amazing for what they achieved on that hardware.
Yeah, it's changed.
MGS V Ground Zeroes was incredible and I had hoped after the, still good but disappointing, MGS 4 and MGS PW that with V he'd be back on top. I was wrong. I consider V to be pretty low in my ranking of the series, though it's still a good game.
Basically I saw PW and 4 as blips in his record but after 5 it's pretty clear to me that something was lost after MGS 3 that gave the series its magic. They're still great games but his magic touch no longer produces instant classics in my book.
MGS V Ground Zeroes was incredible and I had hoped after the, still good but disappointing, MGS 4 and MGS PW that with V he'd be back on top. I was wrong. I consider V to be pretty low in my ranking of the series, though it's still a good game.
Basically I saw PW and 4 as blips in his record but after 5 it's pretty clear to me that something was lost after MGS 3 that gave the series its magic. They're still great games but his magic touch no longer produces instant classics in my book.
It has reinforced my most of my pre-existing opinions of him. He's a great gameplay designer - all his games have great gameplay. He also tends to have interesting story ideas. He can create likable characters that you really feel for - sadly MGSV is a bit missing on that front
On the other hand, he's not a very good writer and likes to ramble on and on. He is also a pervert and doesn't even try to restrain himself, which really harmed Quiet's entire story (which is a shame because it could have been very good). The guy is like 50 but some of those scenes could have been directed by a horny twelve year old boy.
He also doesn't seem to be a great project manager considering that the game does feel incomplete in some ways even after having been in development forever.
On the other hand, he's not a very good writer and likes to ramble on and on. He is also a pervert and doesn't even try to restrain himself, which really harmed Quiet's entire story (which is a shame because it could have been very good). The guy is like 50 but some of those scenes could have been directed by a horny twelve year old boy.
He also doesn't seem to be a great project manager considering that the game does feel incomplete in some ways even after having been in development forever.
entremet
Member
He didn't direct Portable Ops. It's not one his babies like the others. Hence, the retcon.
Do you mean Peace Walker?
UpDownLeftRight
Banned
Yes, while I still appreciate his work I've come to realize that were I a publisher I would not take him on. Konami most likely had a large part to play in what became of MGSV but Kojima was still the one responsible for all the false advertising he created which was essentially every cut scene in the game jumbled around to make it seem like a different, and better story.
Kojima and MGSV now remind me of Micheal Bay and the first Transformers movie's advertising. I remember seeing the advert for that movie and thinking 'damn those CG scenes look cool!' only to come to learn that the advert contained all of the most impressive scenes anyway, negating the movie for me. I feel the same about MGSV in hindsight. I'd already seen basically everything before I started playing just I was being given context now, and the context was largely disappointing anyway.
Kojima and MGSV now remind me of Micheal Bay and the first Transformers movie's advertising. I remember seeing the advert for that movie and thinking 'damn those CG scenes look cool!' only to come to learn that the advert contained all of the most impressive scenes anyway, negating the movie for me. I feel the same about MGSV in hindsight. I'd already seen basically everything before I started playing just I was being given context now, and the context was largely disappointing anyway.
Which was pretty petty of him considering that in retrospect, Portable Ops is probably the only post-MGS3 Big Boss game with a story that actually mattered.
SolidChamp
Banned
MGS3 is a masterpiece and is tied with TLoU for being the best game I've ever played. For that alone, Kojima will always have my respect.
MGSV, however, is an unfortunate mess. I wish he would have focused on making a more cohesive package, because what we got is far from even coming close to the best games in the series. The stellar gameplay alone isn't enough to save it.
MGSV, however, is an unfortunate mess. I wish he would have focused on making a more cohesive package, because what we got is far from even coming close to the best games in the series. The stellar gameplay alone isn't enough to save it.
striferser
Huge Nickleback Fan
Still one of the best game designer
Everyone shitting on MGSVs plot.
While I agree the general execution is bad, Kojima has still been able to bring in some interesting Orwellian ideas about language and control.
I mean, yes there is a butt ass naked chick he wants you to oogle at, but it has always been kojima to contrast interesting political ideas and antiwar messages with bizzare anime crap.
While I agree the general execution is bad, Kojima has still been able to bring in some interesting Orwellian ideas about language and control.
I mean, yes there is a butt ass naked chick he wants you to oogle at, but it has always been kojima to contrast interesting political ideas and antiwar messages with bizzare anime crap.
Generalpsyduck
Banned
he lost his touch quite a bit. but i'm sure he was getting really sick of making metal gear solid. but then again i think mgsv is probably one of my biggest gaming disappointments ever. to clarify for the story and not the gameplay
Pretty much this. Wherever he ends up, i hope his next employer makes sure he has an editor up his ass
Lurgan1337
Banned
Not everything in this world is how we'd like it to be.
MGS V is still goty for me.
He's still one of a kind
MGS V is still goty for me.
He's still one of a kind
If MGSV is a mistake, then i'd like more devs to make mistakes.
And publishers keeping their macrotransaction laden noses out of em.
Corpsepyre
Banned
No, he was always king for me.
I think the main thing I've learned from this is that even though he's a great game designer he's a terrible project manager.
MGSV could have been so much more if they had put that development time to much more structured use. If a game as massive as TW3 could come out in ~3 years then MGSV coming out with this much noticeably cut content is insane.
MGSV could have been so much more if they had put that development time to much more structured use. If a game as massive as TW3 could come out in ~3 years then MGSV coming out with this much noticeably cut content is insane.
eXistor
Member
I've never really cared for most stories in games, let alone Metal Gear. Gameplay is king and MGSV has some of the best I've ever seen.
As an overall package, you can't ignore the weak-points, but where it counts, the game really shines and it's by far Kojima's best. If anything I sympathise with him for not being able to fully realise MGSV, but what he and his team have done with it is nothing short of monumental.
Can't wait to see what he can cook up next.
As an overall package, you can't ignore the weak-points, but where it counts, the game really shines and it's by far Kojima's best. If anything I sympathise with him for not being able to fully realise MGSV, but what he and his team have done with it is nothing short of monumental.
Can't wait to see what he can cook up next.
Its a great game just not a great metal gear solid game, I think konami rushed the release or cut back on the funding. This can been seen with the lack of cut scenes/quality of the cut scenes, Kiefer Sunderland lack of audio, after watching mission 51 video.
Hideo is still top dog.
Hideo is still top dog.
Pilgrimzero
Member
I feel he's more sexist than I thought but that's about it. I've always thought his story telling has been going down hill.
As for 5 specifically, I think Open World was a good idea but without it being finished, it really lacks something. So far it's more of a game about game play and barely any story, and what there is of a story is really lackluster.
As for 5 specifically, I think Open World was a good idea but without it being finished, it really lacks something. So far it's more of a game about game play and barely any story, and what there is of a story is really lackluster.
Still think that he's an incredible game designer and a very good game director, but man, Kojima can't be producer of any game.
We can talk all the shit we want about Konami, some policies of them are inexcusable, but i can't blame them for wanting to wrap the project and stop the money bleed.
MGS V clearly had many more months of development with they let Kojima "do the game that he envisioned".
A great professional understands his boundaries and work with what they have at disposal.
We can talk all the shit we want about Konami, some policies of them are inexcusable, but i can't blame them for wanting to wrap the project and stop the money bleed.
MGS V clearly had many more months of development with they let Kojima "do the game that he envisioned".
A great professional understands his boundaries and work with what they have at disposal.
ChaosZeroX
Banned
Chapter 1 was great in MGSV, I assume that the fallout with Konami started alot earlier then when we heard of it and it affected the story immensely. Chapter 2 and on is just awful. The gameplay is still fun, but the story just took a nose dive in Chapter 2.
With that being said, I still think Kojima is an amazing develope/person.
With that being said, I still think Kojima is an amazing develope/person.
I'm not!
Excatly the same for me as David Lynch, like somebody else posted above^^
They think, they do story's that are unique, i find them just boring and BS!
greycolumbus
The success of others absolutely infuriates me.
Not really. My opinion was already soured by MGS4. It's a shame because MGSV is probably the best playing Metal Gear but it all feels squandered by repetitive, low stakes scenarios and a plot that doesn't seem to care about itself.
I think another game like it would be awesome without the Metal Gear baggage, or perhaps, without Kojima.
I think another game like it would be awesome without the Metal Gear baggage, or perhaps, without Kojima.
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
Why would you blame anyone other than the Writer, producer and director?
Newtype-001
Member
Nah hes still gr8.
Legendary---
Banned
Absolutely not. The game is truly amazing, and the gameplay is quite literally the most fluid gameplay in all of gaming.
This game is just a different type of Metal Gear that no one was expecting.
People are just misunderstanding the story and characters.
I do agree it got a little thin towards the end but it's nothing that ruined the game for me.
We stil have much to understand.
Kojima is still king.
This game is just a different type of Metal Gear that no one was expecting.
People are just misunderstanding the story and characters.
I do agree it got a little thin towards the end but it's nothing that ruined the game for me.
We stil have much to understand.
Kojima is still king.
Punished_Snake
Member
I agree, and I'm really confused by people who are saying that we don't play MGS for the gameplay, before MGS V, the series didn't have the best gameplay in the genre, but the gameplay was solid , entertaining and unique.
for me, the series has always been about the full package: Gameplay, story, boss battles, humor, attention to details and the craziness.