Sumio Mondo
Member
His bad work on stuff post-MGS3 doesn't suddenly erase all of his work as a writer pre-MGS4 for me. Now that he's a free man again, so's to speak, I think we might see some of that old school Kojima magic again. Hopefully.
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Kojima: Do you think of him differently after Metal Gear Solid 5 ? (NO SPOILERS)
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His bad work on stuff post-MGS3 doesn't suddenly erase all of his work as a writer pre-MGS4 for me. Now that he's a free man again, so's to speak, I think we might see some of that old school Kojima magic again. Hopefully.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
MGSV is a masterpiece.
Takes everything cool/crazy/bad/good of the series from the past 20+ years and puts it into its own modern, brilliant finale.
Haters can suck it...Good luck finding Peace!
Takes everything cool/crazy/bad/good of the series from the past 20+ years and puts it into its own modern, brilliant finale.
Haters can suck it...Good luck finding Peace!
I'm not delusional. It's my opinion.
chapter 3?
NoctisVsStar
Member
The Missing Link was nonsense from narrative standpoint the game sucks, cool ideas and Skullface had so much potential but he was oh well. Gameplay wise undisputed it's the best/fun in the series.
Fucking ending twist had no lead up towards it.
Fucking ending twist had no lead up towards it.
WrenchNinja
Member
Yes, I have a lower opinion of him.
Astral Dog
Member
I still think he is a hit or miss, but mostly on the good side.
MGSV was underwhelming, plot wise.
MGSV was underwhelming, plot wise.
Sevket-Erhat
Member
Snake Eater and Metal Gear Solid are masterpieces but not this one. Maybe he is running out of ideas.çımdont praise him like before after this scandal
Gamer @ Heart
Member
The game part is literally Peace Walker again in more open areas.
The open world is trash and basically an interactive load screen between bases.
The less said about the fucking horrible story telling the better.
The man desperately needed an editor and people to question some of these decisions.
The open world is trash and basically an interactive load screen between bases.
The less said about the fucking horrible story telling the better.
The man desperately needed an editor and people to question some of these decisions.
He's done as much bad as good, at this point. It doesn't erase his work, but it does nullify it, and considering his writing (based on his most recent works) I have a low opinion of him as a writer or story teller.
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Deleted member 80556
Unconfirmed Member
I'm actually surprised at how subtle he became with this game, tapes aside (which are very expository), specially towards the end, almost to a fault. I honestly can't think less of him when it's something that is lacking in this medium.
RespectThySole
Member
I agree with all of this minus the MGS4 part and I'd like to add that the traversal is just dreadful in this game. The game should have been a bunch of Ground Zeroes style levels with a lot of diversity rather than one of the most incredibly dull and repetitive open worlds I've ever seen.
Japanmanx3
Member
Love him and I never played a single MGS. His passion is palpable and even if some of decisions cause diverse reactions, I more or less think that's a win in his book. He gets the people talking about a franchise that's existed since '87; all the while maintaining a vision about his characters. I do believe he's wanted to be done with the series for a while and the fan demand (
) put more stress on him than necessary to continue the series. But no MGS is critically panned (with the exception of ACiD 2 I believe) and when he was forced back in the directing seat, he never skimped.
Sure he may have been over ambitious with MGSV. Sure, if the rumors are true, Konami were in there right to cut him off. I think they were dumb for throwing the proverbial baby out with the bathe water. But regardless I will always respect Hideo Kojima for his passion. P.T. goes a long way to show the dude still has the juice.
outrage for some
Sure he may have been over ambitious with MGSV. Sure, if the rumors are true, Konami were in there right to cut him off. I think they were dumb for throwing the proverbial baby out with the bathe water. But regardless I will always respect Hideo Kojima for his passion. P.T. goes a long way to show the dude still has the juice.
I was hoping for a boss fight but we didn't get that unfortunately but then again, I don't see how it would be fun to fight a guy with a shotgun but knowing Kojima, he always finds a way to make something fun but it is too bad we got nothing. As far as his story goes, not sure how far he could have delved into the details but it was really not about him. The bigger picture excluded him. Maybe the whole language thing and the parasites was an influence to Zero and thus The Patriots were born and SOP system was put in place because of that otherwise his story was pretty much over.
You're right about giving the game a different feel but I don't see that as a negative thing to be honest since that plot point is related to Venom's identity and the fact that the latter is struggling in being the leader. Let's face it, the guy has no sense of leadership, is confused all the time and doesn't know what to say or how to react thus his silence. At one point at the beginning of the game he asks Kaz to tell him what to do just like he always did. This was probably hinting at his identity and the fact that Venom had no fucking clue what he was doing or what to do next. That's why he needed people like Kaz and Ocelot to make decisions for him and it makes perfect sense.
Well if you think about it, there was a central conflict and there is a common enemy but in this case, you just don't meet with that enemy and kill him, it's more of a behind the scenes type of thing and tapes but then again, some of the "unresolved" plotlines are left for the users to interpret. Remember the quote in Mission 46 about "There are no facts. Only interpretations"? Yea, Kojima doesn't want another MGS4 where everything is answered with nanomachines. I think he made the right decision to keep things mysterious and for the players to interpret. That's the fun part.
I believe that Kojima finished the game and achieved what he always wanted to achieve. And assuming he couldn't finish the story, it's only logical that he would focus on making the gameplay awesome and polish it as much as he can rather than focus on story and deliver a broken gameplay. At the end of the day it's a game so the least you should expect is gameplay that works. A fantastic story won't make up for a broken gameplay but a fantastic gameplay can easily make up for a broken story. Not saying anything is broken in V but that's what I think.
Again, I personally think he finished the game. The title of the game is powerful. I would invest a bit more time on connecting the title with everything we, the players have experienced. Read a bit more into it, I'm sure you will be convinced. You feel it too don't you?
Mr. Luchador
Member
The open world aspect was pointless, and some of the movement was very dated - certainly for someone who is supposed to be one of the greatest soldiers of are time. One of my pet peeves in games is not being able to scale/climb up objects shin height, and the number of times this happened in this game was crazy - the real enemy in this game are slopes and wonky rock formations.
Gnome Scat
Member
Didn't pace the game well or tell a compelling enough story, but god damn does he know how to craft fun gameplay.
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
Except I feel the brilliance of MGS1-3 is best attributed to the man in his shadow, Tomokazu Fukushima.
CambriaRising
Member
Nope. Not at all.
Inferno313
Banned
Hmm. Just like (MAJOR MGSV ENDING SPOILERS)
MGSV Is about the importance of the man in Big Boss's shadow.
Moon_frogger
Member
People asked him for subtly and restraint for years. He finally gives it to us and there nothing but bitching. I agree with much of the criticism about the story but overall I loved it and thought it was wonderful how they dialed it back to focus on the sandbox gameplay that has always been the main draw for me. It's like they took everything wonderful mechanics wise from 3, 4, and peace walker and took it to the next level. I don't give all the credit to Kojima either his team is the best in the business. Also, I don't get all the talk about going over budget. For a game of this scope the budget wasn't particularly high and the dev time just wasn't that much longer than mgs2 or 4. Basically, my opinion is at an all time high. Bravo, Kojima.
yep, still a man child
Inferno313
Banned
Basketball
Member
"MGSV is a bad game"
Don't pay attention to my opinion ever nametag pls
Don't pay attention to my opinion ever nametag pls
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
I don't think of him any differently. It's up there with the best of them.
I think of a lot of gaffers differently though...
I think of a lot of gaffers differently though...
Yup. He's pretty great and despite all the flaws MGSV is my GOTY too, and the gameplay is easily the best of the entire franchise.
I think part of the disappointment some MGS fans feel with V is due to the game not fulfilling certain series expectations. I felt the same way about Skyward Sword when it came out: where are the towns, and why is the world so disjointed like it's a Mario game? Eventually I put the game aside because I was so disappointed. But later I remembered just how fun the game was to play. That brought me back to the game, and I loved the rest of it.
Think about all the diehard Resident Evil fans who hated RE4 just because it was different. I'm reminded of that sometimes when I see some (but not all) of the criticism hurled at MGSV by diehard MGS fans. I'm also reminded of the insane hype trains for this game, and it seems like anyone who buys into that mentality is just asking to be disappointed when reality hits.
Think about all the diehard Resident Evil fans who hated RE4 just because it was different. I'm reminded of that sometimes when I see some (but not all) of the criticism hurled at MGSV by diehard MGS fans. I'm also reminded of the insane hype trains for this game, and it seems like anyone who buys into that mentality is just asking to be disappointed when reality hits.
Mr. Luchador
Member
I'll be honest - I missed creeping around corridors and air vents, also tedious boss battles.
NoctisVsStar
Member
Cameras are non-existent.. Also no chaffs.
Mr. Luchador
Member
Yeah, the only time I was ever spotted by a Camera was during a mission at the Airport. I missed those guys. Chaffs would have been fun, if only to see the Walker Gears crap out.
Barakov
Gold Member
I had a great time with MGSV. The only things that brought it down for me was the repetitive nature it had in some missions(although, MGSV had more variety than most open world games do) and the disappointing story. The cassette tapes were the wrong way to handle the more fleshed out bits in the story. Editor etc. etc. I still think Kojima is a pretty great game designer but something has to be said for knowing your limits. I'd like to see what he could do in a more condensed world such as the setting of MGS3 but expanded with this gen's technology.
Kojima really needs someone there to say "Hey man, we need to reign this in a bit". Then again, he's probably gotten too big for that.
Kojima really needs someone there to say "Hey man, we need to reign this in a bit". Then again, he's probably gotten too big for that.
zombieshavebrains
I have not used cocaine
Stereogatari
Banned
Literally.
I'm not sure I'd go all the way to saying it has a spectacular story but I agree with the sentiment. The Armstrong cutscenes alone are more entertaining than anything in MGSV. And by entertaining I just mean it made me feel something (i.e. in this case it made me laugh my ass off). MGSV has maybe 2 scenes that actually achieved that - Mission
43
Paz quest line (I could see it coming from miles away but I still felt a bit empty afterwards for some reason)
"such a lust for revenge"
Alebrije
Gold Member
I read this was Kojima's last MGS and not because he is out of Konami but he does not want to do a similar game anymore.
Konami is moving from AAA games in the short term and possible for years so this leave a hole in the industry since there is not a game similar to MGS, Spliter Cell was compared at the PS2 era but just for the stealth similarities.
There is not a game series that can replace MGS , you can choose between Forza and Need For Speed or DriveClub , or Dragon Age and Witcher or Elders Scrolls and even Fallout.
But you can not compare MGS V with anything , that is the great job Kojima did and is sad there is nothing similar in the future from him or other developer
Konami is moving from AAA games in the short term and possible for years so this leave a hole in the industry since there is not a game similar to MGS, Spliter Cell was compared at the PS2 era but just for the stealth similarities.
There is not a game series that can replace MGS , you can choose between Forza and Need For Speed or DriveClub , or Dragon Age and Witcher or Elders Scrolls and even Fallout.
But you can not compare MGS V with anything , that is the great job Kojima did and is sad there is nothing similar in the future from him or other developer
bigboss370
Member
He is still the Greatest of All Time
I'm sorry. I'm sure you're a great writer but I was talking about his creativity on the gameplay side. I certainly am not going to defend Kojima-san's writing. I gave up on that by the end of MGS2.
I've played 117 hours and I'm still halfway through the game. I'm assuming 200h total without completing all the side ops, at this rate. I stand by my words.
Imdb said that movie sucked so I didn't watch it.