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Kotaku: YouTubers Say They Can't Make Money Covering Call of Duty: WWII
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LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
Wow, this post. I just, I don't even know at this point. Neogaf? Bueller?
SoRuffShoNuff
Member
Wow, so many people in here feel they are qualified to determine who should get paid for what activity. If you are providing a legal product that people want there shouldn't be an issue with being paid for it.
BleedOrange
Banned
No, it means they didn't come to an agreement with anyone about how much money they should expect to make. They're inherently playing by someone else's rules. When you're playing by someone else's rules you cant really get mad when those rules change, since that's what you signed up for in the first place.
Lmao. You have it 100% backwards. The "youtubers" are the ones that feel they're qualified to determine how much they should get paid for "youtubing". Thats not up to them, thats up to the advertisers, you know, the ones that pay them the money they deem themselves so fit to receive. Thats the name of the game, the game the "youtubers" knowingly, willingly signed up for.
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
Maybe it's because Twitch reviewed the footage and what happened in the hour leading up to it and found that it was not in malice or towards any individual? I dunno.
You can either chose to watch the footage of what was happening during that moment leading up to me accidentally saying something by mixing words together, or you can believe the spin that several Gaffers and Redditors tried to make me appear as something I'm not.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
Thanks. Just making sure I get the account name right!
Lol. I have no clue what aquavelva is going on about.
benicillin
Banned
This is what happens when YouTube does literally nothing to keep up with their platform, instead just allowing it to expand and grow out of control while they just raked in the profits. This is 100% on them.
SoRuffShoNuff
Member
People are saying they should get a real job. I fail to see how what they are doing is any less of a job than whatever the hell you do for a living.
benicillin
Banned
I think a lot of people react that way to YouTubers because it seems like a large portion of them actually have had a fundamental misunderstanding of how YouTube *as a business* works. Even people like h3h3productions, who is a famous and popular YouTuber, has shown over the last year that they don't actually understand how the *business* makes money, they just knew that they would make videos and get a paycheck. It's not professional.
There are lots of YouTubers that are professionals that probably won't be impacted by this all that much because they were ahead of the curve getting sponsorships, making deals, doing stuff for their brand, rather than build a 'career' on a platform they had no ownership or control over making videos without really understanding the business side of advertising or content creation and then complaining when things changed.
ClosingADoor
Member
I don't know this situation. But is it really common in America to say the N-word when angry or something? It's just like... if I get angry, the first thing coming out of my mouth is surely not a racial slur.
Difference is, I don't see those other people complaining about how they deserve to be handed over money just because they do something. If I start to do some random work that my clients don't want, I don't get paid. Neither are these guys on Youtube anymore. So if they can't handle that, then yes, they should move to another job.
LordRaptor
Member
People are saying that if you want to call it a real job you have to treat it like a real job.
If your boss can't sell products that are about warfare, you stop making products about warfare if you expect to be paid.
If your boss has very publically lost $750 million by being implicated with extremist hate groups, you have to expect a tightening on employee conduct
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
As a person growing up around the entertainment industry, to eventually gain enough of a viewership to make a living on making YT videos back in 2011, I can tell you the stuff everyone says about Youtubers getting a 'real job' is the same mentality echoed by others criticizing those who strive to be artists/actors or otherwise.
Professor Beef
Banned
Empathy, much like reading an OP, certainly is difficult amongst some of NeoGAF's posters.
He was reading a donation message, not shouting words in anger. That's the context people are leaving out.
He was reading a donation message, not shouting words in anger. That's the context people are leaving out.
I agree with everything except "I think a lot of people react that way to YouTubers because".
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
They don't. And neither did I when I mixed two words together.
benicillin
Banned
Yeah I mean I'm not saying you're wrong there's that part of it too. Some of it is jealousy for the ones that do make it as well. I'm not trying to drag YouTubers, it's pretty much my primary source of entertainment and I respect the amount of work that goes in for a lot of them, but it has been pretty eye opening to see some of the major channels seem to fundamentally not understand how the actual business side operates. They were making money and a job out of it, but they didn't seem to really be treating it like a career.
ClosingADoor
Member
Thanks. Seems a bit stupid to read it out on a stream anyway, but well, he didn't mean anything wrong with it then I take it.
I remembered earlier in the thread someone said he called it in anger. No, I didn't watch it myself, so I put that front and clear in my message.
But this is one example of streamers and such getting a bad rep about these things and why I think it is good that platforms like Youtube take more care now. Because you don't want your platform having that reputation and people - like me - assuming the worst right away because of that.
Vigilant Gambit
Member
I'm not sure racism can even begin to bloom in the FGC. I remember people chanting "white people" at tournaments when a white guy did well on stage, because it's generally everyone except white people that are able to actually play well.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I'd gauge that >90% of it is just jealously reflexively showing itself. People in dead-end retail jobs and whatnot taking any opportunity they can to flex on people who they perceive to be getting paid for "doing nothing," or just angry that someone else can find success without subjecting themselves through the same machinery (corporate workplace, college debt, etc.) that they had to suffer through. Some people just want to see others fail for one reason or another.
I work in IT consulting/development for a living and stream gaming tournaments as a hobby. The latter is roughly 10x as much "work."
(Why you dodge me on PuyoTet, Max?)
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
My wife gladly accepts any challenge. I'm trash at puzzle games, haha.
shadow_shogun
Member
It was clearly an accident, some assholes on Kappa blew this way outta proportions and turned this into a damn meme.
Professor Beef
Banned
I know it was an accident, I was there! You can't school me, blanka
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
Seriously tho, YT is changing. Many friends I know are making 1/4th what they normally would on normal gaming content, while the ID system and copyright issues are at an all time high to interfere with regular content creation.
It's not going to stop me from making videos. Been doing it for 10 years, and I kind of like it. I'm just fortunate enough to have an extremely supportive audience on Twitch as well.
It's not going to stop me from making videos. Been doing it for 10 years, and I kind of like it. I'm just fortunate enough to have an extremely supportive audience on Twitch as well.
As some who as been watching you since 2011, I was a bit annoyed earlier when you began to focus more on streaming, but I'm really happy that you are doing well on Twitch and I've grown to really like the Yo Videogames team.
I do think though that there will be a lot more people moving to twitch in the future.
jetsetnickradio
Member
They do, though? Most YouTubers I know have day jobs and do YouTube in their "spare time" (although this still equates to 40+ hours a week in many cases). Unless you have millions of subscribers it isn't feasible to depend solely on YouTube.
Hell, even most of the mega YouTubers with millions of subscribers don't even depend solely on YouTube ad money. Ad revenue only makes up a portion of their income. Most of them have registered their own businesses and get sponsorship deals, sell merchandise, make investments, go on tours, license their brands, and/or have Patreons, ect.
The lack of advertising revenue probably hurts the medium-sized channels the most. They don't have the incredibly huge and loyal fanbases guys like like PDP, Markiplier, ect have, who will buy all of your merch, go see you on tour, ect. Those channels are the ones that could live or die by ad revenue.
Then cover another game or talk about it during a twitch stream. I understand that youtube's new policies are dumb but its not like there's other ways around it. Sure you'd have to build up the twitch audience but its an option.
But this is the exact reason ppl that are trying to make a living off of youtube shouldn't focus their channel on 1 game or series. So many things could happen that could mess it up for you. But this is with anything not just youtube, always have some type of backup plan
But this is the exact reason ppl that are trying to make a living off of youtube shouldn't focus their channel on 1 game or series. So many things could happen that could mess it up for you. But this is with anything not just youtube, always have some type of backup plan
MegaSackman
Member
Is not affecting COD only, it's almost random. Even podcast about gaming in general uploaded to YouTube are being demonetized.
jetsetnickradio
Member
Haha that's my biggest fear. I try to branch out and play other games on my channel, but my Destiny videos are the only ones that actually get any views at all. I'm still super small time, though
LinkAndEpona
Banned
I do!
I don't have any traditional TV subscription services because it's a waste of money, I only pay for high speed internet and thus just stream what I want from Netflix, and YouTube channels offer very desirable content for me.
So yes, the livelihood of my favorite content creators matters to me.
Plus being a YouTuber is a legit job that pays bills and keeps them out of the unemployment line for tax payer assistance.
Probably from things like this.
http://fortune.com/2017/04/27/alphabet-earnings-up-as-ads-surge-on-youtube-and-mobile-devices/
Admittedly youtube revenue rising doesnt help understanding how much profit youtube delivers given we don't know what their costs are.
ipukespiders
Member
Do most/all of your favorite content creators have patreon accounts?
AlexFlame116
Member
Max I don't know you well enough to speak to you like a friend even though I wish I could but I just want to let you know that whenever I'm having a bad day I watch your reaction videos of announcements like the Final Fantasy 7 Remake trailer and the Shenmue one too. So a huge thanks to you!
But I still can't forgive you for hating on Corrin's DLC announcement for Smash 4 haha!
Just kidding! Kinda. I felt betrayed!
Max, do you know what's going on with monetization and fighting games? Are they getting hit like COD is?
I just started on Youtube seriously at the beginning of this year and have big plans for Injustice 2 and Marvel Infinite, so I'm curious what the deal is.
MWS Natural
Member
No, there is definitely a competitor in the wings who is relaunching in the next few months. Hopefully their relaunch will be enough to shake things up and make this space more competitive.
Yup, definitely agree with this. I made a salt-encrusted sea bass and bitter melon salad for dinner just reading this thread. Just like with the tech bubble bursting this could be seen coming from a mile away but you can feel the joy some people take in the loss of income for some of these YouTubers just because they weren't able to capitalize on it themselves or feel some kind of way about folks making a shitload of money for doing "nothing".
It's kind of the same mindset you see with people who love hearing about lottery winners pissing away all of their money or feel athletes and actors are overpaid spoiled babies because they have to slave away at some corporate shithole while some people get to live lives they can't even allow themselves to dream about.
YouTube set the precedent as a corporation for how and how much these content creators would get paid and then did nothing to ensure the money would keep flowing in from advertisers in the same way by doing their due diligence and implementing things that would make advertisers feel their money was being well spent.
The bottom starts to fall out and Google just shifts the penalty to the content creators when this wouldn't have been an issue if they had worked with advertisers to ensure ads were being placed on appropriate videos so ads for Axe Body Spray would run before some video of a dude cussing up a storm while playing Rupture Your Spine 3 and the ads for Pampers and Baby Jesus sanitary wipes would only run before videos that wouldn't offend those companies and their consumers' tender sensibilities. How would it feel if you were used to making a certain amount at your job and because the people running your company were incompetent your check suddenly got reduced by 90%? I'm pretty sure you would complain about it and hope that there was some empathy for your situation.
MWS Natural
Member
Yes about a 50% drop in my monthly take.
The amount of hate and jealousy in this thread is pretty sad.
Some Youtube-comment tier comments in here.
NinjaBoiX
Member
Lionel Richie
Member
I don't understand this. The person chooses to produce material about a hobby that you of all peeople likely share, and this material is usually much more enjoyable than other things in life like curling, vaccinations or your post. And things used to be peachy for his/her channel until recently when it went FUBAR, which has been manifesting in many ways and the CoD topic at hand is the latest. How is he/she wrong to be a bit flabbergasted and frustrated?
Oh I think posting in a videogame forum disqualifies you from using the #firstworldproblem thing, since well you know it's directed towards you and all.
audio_delay
Neo Member
Every type of commercial product has faced regulation changes or restrictions set by distributors in past and present. What happend was, people went out there and looked for alternative sources for income, like sponsorship, product placement, change of distribution service, etc.
If those tubers are really unhappy about the current situation, then do something (creativity) about it. Whinnying about your publisher not giving you enough money is childish. Just jump on another platform or create your own distribution service.
Professor Beef
Banned
Spoken like someone who has never even attmpted it.
Old man yells at cloud? Old man yells at cloud.
Why so sour? Your message there could in some form be directed to Twitch type streamers but then again I don't know what else they do behind the scenes.
I do have experience working at a "real job" and on Youtube. In all honesty I find Youtube much more difficult.
What you put into it is what you get out. So that means long hours and pretty much 7 days a week: Editing videos, Promoting your content, Engaging with your audience all social media platforms.
Every time I start a game up I get a nagging feeling like sh*t I need to be recording even when I am trying to play a game unplugged and just for fun.
Don't get me wrong it's not the worst issue to have but it seems like some people in here think no effort is required.
With that said though any Youtubers in here complaining about the ad situation, you shouldn't have put all your eggs in one basket. It sucks but this is a business so branch out, setup and have 3 or 4 streams of revenue.
MWS Natural
Member
I work an IT Engineer job full time and difficulty wise YT isn't harder but time invested it DEFINITELY is. I easily spend more than 40 hours a week working on YT and Site content. Crazy how little some people know about content creation they think it's just playing video games infront of a camera and then uploading it. For most successful channels that's not the case.