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SouthernDragon
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I see why people like Irelia now.
2th said:
how does one keep udyr off a lane? by attacking him.
attack him with auto attack -> get attack by minions. this pretty much stops any long range dps or melee dps that can't auto-heal.
attack him with magic -> you will go into cooldowns/lose mana before u can burst stun kill him
1) and apparently looking at numbers is all you can do. Thats what smart people do right?This discussion is about how powerful udyr is in lane. That's why it makes no sense to even bring olaf into it.2th said:
2) beating somebody in lane doesn't mean killing them. I'm sorry you choose to continue to chase them while they're kiting you 2th. Maybe you're out of practice. Turn around and turtle and hit minions while you zone thrm because their defensive cooldowns are down while bear has a 6s cooldown. If you're smart, which I'm not sure if you are, a ranged carry can't harass you enough to keep you off the minions and whenever their defensive spells are on cd you're threatening enough to zone them. Tada, udyr just won lane.
Nerfs to other supports are a buff to karma right guys? Soraka probably does more damage now though
Diprosalic
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can anyone explain how i can notice if an item i'm about to buy will replace an item i already have?
witchedwiz
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ultimoo you should be ashamed!Uchip said:
karma is a decent to good hero :L
there are worse alternative, really..
Tideas said:
You do realize that Udyr has to auto attack a person to hurt them right? And as Ashe, last hit, wait for there to be fewer creeps, volley, or auto attach yourself because you can hurt udyr too!!!! You may take a little damage but if you are soloing you have some sort of sustain be it lifesteal in a dorans blade or regen in a dorans shield or even health pots. if you are worried about the minions being your downfall then you have other issues to sort out before you think about fighting anyone let alone udyr.
Same goes for casters. You dont have to kill him to drive him off. You can time your burst to when turtle shield wear off and hurt him. I guess harassment must be a new thing to some people :/
Boken said:
1) you really are dumb if you cannot look at a comparison of different sustain abilities on different champions. And since you missed the point im not bothering with you.
2) Did i ever say i chase in situations like that? nope. And if an udyr is zoning you then you really are bad and deserve to lose. As for bear having 6 second cooldown...um what point of it being a melee attack dont you comprehend? If you are letting udyr get that close then Bear stunning you ever 6 seconds is the least of your worries because you are bad.
Been there, done that. Never lost to a lane udyr. You know why? Cause i know how to counter him.Fjord said:
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I just saw this quality 2th gem:
Hey do you know why they do the same thing over and over again? Because that thing works.
Herp derp 2th is the idiot here.
Basically 2th thinks hes right and everybody else is wrong. LOL
Even Haly thinks youre wrong.
I dont even know what were arguing about because 2th has already admitted it:
Sustain.
Laner.
Gasp! Kinda like Vlad was!
2th previously said:
Yep that sure sounds like a comparison between different champions. Fair analysis I must say. 2th you should apply for the balance position at RioT games. Theyll be enlightened by your thorough and insightful consideration of each champion.2th said:
No, you dont say anything other than stupid ass facetious statements and make poorly constructed scenarios. What part of bear stance giving you a movement speed buff dont you understand? How does a ranged carry just walk away from bear stance? He doesnt even have to hit you. Once he activates bear, you run away to avoid the stun and he goes back to farming.2th said:
I just saw this quality 2th gem:
Hey do you want to know why theyre high elo? Because they do what works.2th said:
Hey do you know why they do the same thing over and over again? Because that thing works.
Herp derp 2th is the idiot here.
Basically 2th thinks hes right and everybody else is wrong. LOL
Even Haly thinks youre wrong.
Halycon said:
I dont even know what were arguing about because 2th has already admitted it:
Strongest.2th said:
Sustain.
Laner.
Gasp! Kinda like Vlad was!
Mr. B Natural
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Came in here to bitch about the length of tryn's ult and his buff and his no brainer escapability and the op and silly gangplank q both early and late game...but backs off slowly. Very very slowly.
CrazedProfessional
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Mr. B Natural said:
Fuck Tryde, Jax and Gangplank.
Axis of Evil.
Teknopathetic
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Oh man. Oh man.
Mr. B Natural
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Gp's QKozak said:
1. Extremely low mana cost
2. Extreme damage early game. Can 2 shot at level 1.
3. Extreme damage mid game. Can still 2 shot.
4. Extreme damage late game.
5. Crits (really riot? REALLY?)
6. As you stated, also dolls out money for a minion kill.
7. Poisons thanks to his passive
8. Not even a skill shot. Click and kill.
9. Has range. Not a lot but still not a melee attack by any means and an easy hit and run.
9. Actually has range.
10. Extremely low CD
11. Goes past minions and champions. Again, not a skill shot.
And now you got me bitching about GP's Q. You pulled me back in.
Mr. B Natural said:
I'm with most others saying this but lmao on tryn being hard. Tyrndamere if freebie kill and until whoever you're playing with learns not to all their skills on him but just auto attacks and like one stun at most you won't beat him. GG not getting frozenheart or thornmail which on the carry will tear him apart let alone your tanks. There are so many ways ap or ad based with certain champs you own tryn I'm surprised you would say this.
Same applies to GP when it comes to thornmail this item and life steal or hp regen will utterly wreck their setups.
Jax is another matter but the key to jax is no farm and get some form of burst ap on your team he can't deal with one of these problems let alone both. Also even if he's farmed he's nothing against a bd'ing yi. Next patch early game he gets nerfed next patch and like vayne won't have enough damage to deal with a team that harasses him back. Basically early game leapstrike with certain stunning laners means gg free farm and feed.
Go ahead and complain at least you're more civil than some of the peeps on the official forums or certain streams commenting.
Blizzard said:Is this with runes or something? I must revisit gangplank. I thought hey, he only has one non-ult, non-melee damaging ability...do people stack attack speed on him? I sure didn't do well, so I guess I need to spam Q more.
runes + greaves first item. Its completely luck based at level 1 though. Its one of those situations where once you get hit by it once its apparently happened ALL the time.
Spamming your Q isn't so great early game. Use it to farm and rush a philo, CD boots and IE before 20 minutes.
After that decide if its a good idea to get a PD or defensive items.
Mr. B Natural
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The issue with Tryn is that his ult combined with his group slow and free low cd flash allows him to spin to win and get the carry and MAYBE die. Again, maybe. It takes way too much effort to get rid of him and unless his team is shit, that's plenty for 1 character to accomplish in a late game teamfight. His ult and free flash says "screw you" to positioning. Turret? Meh. Jungle fight, good. In Lane? Fine. I'll just spin into my tank/into jungle and run away. You got flash? Ok, I got 2 of em if i'm smart... and a slow. Bye bye. Oh, and the other 4 people on my team are wrecking now that your carry is dead and if your carry ran away, that's just as well.LCGeek said:
Maybe in high elo games is tryn easy to counter, but in normal games, he and gp ruins the balance. And, worst of all, he doesn't have to try. I guess possibly the issue is that there's a major difference between the experience of someone playing a rated high elo match and a normal, but if that's the case, then Riot should have two different categories of balance. There is no other choice in the matter. Two different experiences means two different experiences.
Imo, he's perfectly fine but his ult lasts too long or he needs to be slowed down quite a bit. Or maybe give his spin move have a much higher cd so he can't do a renekton but 3 times as far and through all jungle paths. Either way, he'll still be the prick he is now, but not a broken one that turns 5 v 5 fights into 6 v 5 because he magically doubles his life expectancy time while doing massive damage because there is no need to build tanky at all.
But Gp's q is dumb no matter how you look at it. Too many benefits and again a skill free ability that just wrecks regardless of the player's talent.
Mr. B Natural
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maybe not technically, but with crit and crit damage ruins I saw him drop nearly half of nocturne's health with 1 shot at level 2 or 3. It might have been a case of a level 30 maxed out versus a level 10 or whatever nocturne, but I couldn't help to call bs when I saw it. Again, not a skill shot. If you see him coming you had no choice but to get out of there and he was doing that every 5 seconds and using very little mana and doing all those things I already listed with no abandon because the game gives you no reason not to.Blizzard said:
Mr. B Natural
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The solution is to make a skill with more benefits than most skill shots a skill shot. It can't shoot past minions and other champions, it may take a quarter of a second for GP to make the shot, etc. Make the skill more about denying and +6 gold if need be or make it about burst fire, but why both?Archie said:
Oh right, i forgot about that on my 11 things Gp's Q can do. Denying. Make that 12. Oh, and thanks to the passive, it has a slow. 13.
Mr. B Natural
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skillshots are skillshots because it's a skillshot. Not having to make a skillshot is a benefit. Click and kill means 100% hit rate. Gangplank's Q can not miss, can not be blocked, can not be dodged or quickly moved out of range, can not hit minions unless desired to. That's a benefit.Boken said:
ShadyMilkman
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I give up on Morgana.
Owlowiscious
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yo stop that. let's talk about how great skarner is.
rush shurelia's and boots 2. (with my nuts rune/masteries that's 35% cdr).
now proceed to use shurelia's and ult every 60 seconds. laugh as any pokers are dragged halfway across the screen
rush shurelia's and boots 2. (with my nuts rune/masteries that's 35% cdr).
now proceed to use shurelia's and ult every 60 seconds. laugh as any pokers are dragged halfway across the screen
thestopsign
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I'm done for now guys. It's been fun, but I'm off at college now and I'm having a hard time fitting any gaming into my schedule and if I ever do game, I sort of feel like I should be out socializing instead. It's been great playing and talking with you guys, and I may jump back in during vacations.
Owlowiscious
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yeah i took a year long break from the game. you get to come back and dont know what any new players can do and oh god i'm trapped in a circle of earth, augh why is this seed chasing me, and [i still don't get what rumble does oh god he's doing things and i'm dying]
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