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dragonlife
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Thanks, markot.
Ark said:
holy shit, so good XD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgfwvjQ_yUQ&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_757180 is awesome too XD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8egkmEDWrmE&feature=related karthus
Friday parody: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYgR6n_7isY&feature=related
XD
undu
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SouthernDragon
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Even though I am a HORRENDOUS Xin Zhao, I will get this. Eventually, a full commando set. Through purchases I found out he was the first champion I purchased.
Also, Singed's Theme is so good. Insanity Mix is great.
forgeforsaken
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I still like this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wHp4VJ47v0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wHp4VJ47v0&feature=related
JWong said:
Just like how you bailed from the Dota 2 beta thread once someone wrote you a reply that was more than one sentence? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=30417415&postcount=116
Lazy Jones
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Anyone else that can't login?
I just created a new account (couldn't log into old either) and I got a confirmation e-mail but when I try to login it says I have the wrong password or username. When I try to enter my e-mail address on the "forgot password" thingy it says that there is no account for that even though I received a confirmation mail for it.
I just created a new account (couldn't log into old either) and I got a confirmation e-mail but when I try to login it says I have the wrong password or username. When I try to enter my e-mail address on the "forgot password" thingy it says that there is no account for that even though I received a confirmation mail for it.
Lazy Jones
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orznge said:
I use only lowercase. It's weird, I could play with my old account about two weeks ago but today it didn't work anymore and when I try to recover my pass it says that account doesn't exist. So I try createing a new account with the same name just to see what happens and I get an error saying that username (my old one) is already in use.
Edit: New account worked now, I had the wrong region selected in the launcher.
SouthernDragon
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forgeforsaken said:
They seriously need to update that one with Jarvan. I thought it was pretty catchy myself.
From a musical perspective this is by far the best one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlXO7MFasnA
just not a parody.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlXO7MFasnA
just not a parody.
Blackface said:
Why does this guy only have 16 subscribers? Fucking insane.
Archie said:What time is most active for GAF? I want to start playing again, but I don't
want to do pubs (nor do I want to jungle with Amumuiss)
Well if you're on EU West I'm on pretty much all day until the 12th September, then I'll be on from about 7-8pm to around 11pm BST (GMT+1).
I chill in GAF Mumble as well, when we get 5 people together all is fun.
SouthernDragon
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After 8 is when I see people on. 8-2 are prime times.
JWong said:
I'd love to take the argument into here if it's appropriate, seeing as you disappeared from the DOTA2 thread. I play some League with my friends since they don't have it in themselves to learn DOTA at this point -- and that isn't a jab at League, by the way -- and I have taken some time to learn about the League metagame. So if you can go in-depth with your response that'd be great. If I'm wrong about some things I'd be happy to admit that.
Artanisix's analysis is accurate though. A lot of LoL features were put in to create a safer environment, in order to make it newbie friendly. The big offenders here are HP growth, tower strength, early game regen, mana costs and recall.
When HoN went on sale for $10 there were a few people who came to HoNGAF from LoL. The immediate problem they all had was thinking they were safe when they weren't, and not being able to stay in a lane long enough because they weren't used to how much damage was flying everywhere.
Being more accessible is usually a good thing but there are always tradeoffs. Because of Riot's initial design choices, the current LoL competitive scene is stale and repetitive.
When HoN went on sale for $10 there were a few people who came to HoNGAF from LoL. The immediate problem they all had was thinking they were safe when they weren't, and not being able to stay in a lane long enough because they weren't used to how much damage was flying everywhere.
Being more accessible is usually a good thing but there are always tradeoffs. Because of Riot's initial design choices, the current LoL competitive scene is stale and repetitive.
Would I be wrong or correct in saying that HoN looks more similar to Dota 2 than LoL?
I was re-watching some Dota 2 Gamescom matches earlier today and it does look more 'difficult' than LoL, which is great. It'll take me a while to get used to losing gold upon death though :lol
Sorry if this is off-topic, but it seems to fit with the current conversation.
I was re-watching some Dota 2 Gamescom matches earlier today and it does look more 'difficult' than LoL, which is great. It'll take me a while to get used to losing gold upon death though :lol
Sorry if this is off-topic, but it seems to fit with the current conversation.
Yep, let's do it. LoL critiques should be on LoL threads. There isn't a garbage DotA2 vs LoL thread yet.Artanisix said:
Two things. If you leave your tower to an obvious backdoor when there's a dozen enemy minions charging down that tower, that's a strategic mistake by the team. That team doesn't deserve a "buy fail-bail" scroll if that happens. It also moves the game forward. Towers should be dying. No need to allow either side to be super defensive.Artanisix said:
Secondly, free recall and summoner spell teleport is meant to increase item space. No money sink spent on scrolls, and no need to buy Flying Courier for extra space. Also, no need to occupy that 6th slot with scrolls.
Mobility is king. Riot knows that. They don't overpower players' mobility with 30 second teleport scrolls, but they do give an itemless Teleport option to make extremely strategic movements. Teleport has done wonders in my games.
I can't say much about this because I've seen a lot of tower diving in games, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Unless you're talking about early-game tower diving, which does happen and poses huge risk.Artanisix said:
I've seen enough early kills happen to say that there's really no concern for this area.
First, deny unnecessarily draws out the game. A player kills his own minion and reduces the chance for the enemy to get 20 or something gold. Then the enemy does the same, and so on. The game has now been extended for X seconds because X amount of gold and XP had been prevented throughd deny. Artificial extension of the game. And for what? What logic is there where for you to kill your own minions, towers, and teammates? This is a game about PVP. It also imbalances melee vs range.Artanisix said:
About passive stat buffs items, I'm not sure if you've seen the items, but there are quite a few activate items. Definitely less than DotA because Riot refocused a lot of them into Summoner Skills and Champion Skills (like stun shouldn't be an item), but a lot of useful activate. I don't really like the idea of activate items anyways since they're essentially giving the player another spell.
Wait, ganks are prevented all the time? Summoner skills are a bail out card on long cooldown, so ganks won't be prevented all the time. Not sure what the problem is here. DotA's game length is significantly longer than LoL, so there's no argument there.Artanisix said:
Masteries are suppose to be "shallow" in terms of not affecting the game that much. Same with runes. They're suppose to have little affect, but still be a nice bonus that makes a difference. Masteries and runes speed up the game for higher level users by skipping the whole "bracer, band, talisman" time sink (the reason why they get unlocked as you level).Artanisix said:
You feel like you need more health? You put on health runes or health masteries.
You want more damage? You put on those runes and masteries.
Don't need to farm for 10 minutes so you can have your basic support stats from bracers or crap.
I have no idea what you're talking about trees, but brush is a great mechanic especially for ganking (I thought you liked ganking).Artanisix said:
Uuuuh, you don't need a jungler. It's not "auto-lose" when you don't have one, as with not having a tank, or a carry. And the lanes are set like that because it gives player's the ability to make choices with the characters they have. LoL doesn't have "scroll of instant switch lane". DotA lanes were all too similar that you are allowed to make up different formations. It doesn't give players any choice, so they can do whatever the hell they want. Btw... 0-5-0? I've seen that in LoL. Huge gamble. Can be easily countered or can be a fast win.
So you're saying Lion and Lina are different enough, but two magic nukers like Annie and Ryze are the same? I don't get what you're saying in this section because what you're saying is false.Artanisix said:
Well, I'm thinking DotA also has scaling skills.... what are you talking about? I mean, I could talk about how +attributes is dumb and LoL removed that, but what is this?Artanisix said:
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Bring on your analysis too. I'd love to chat.Halycon said:
And I watched the DotA2 Finals vs the LoL Dominion employee battle. How boring the DotA2 Finals were with all the running around in the jungle, setting up wards, all that in the first 10 minutes with nothing happening.
I watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNeVE4iCwjs
So much movement and counters. So many player choices. This is far more exciting to watch. And within 20 minutes, rather than that hour long drag of a finals.
Oh shit can't you guys just sit down and accept that they're just different games?
Sure you can take one point and turn it into a negative, but every coin has two sides.
I can already see that both of you are wrong on specific issues already.
How about we talk about our dream builds for DOMINION?
Mine will be boots of mobility, shurelia's and phantom dancer Rammus.
P.S. Archie there sure are many Gaffers on NA LOL atm.
Sure you can take one point and turn it into a negative, but every coin has two sides.
I can already see that both of you are wrong on specific issues already.
How about we talk about our dream builds for DOMINION?
Mine will be boots of mobility, shurelia's and phantom dancer Rammus.
P.S. Archie there sure are many Gaffers on NA LOL atm.
This is a very shallow understanding of how TPs affect the game. Contrary to what you might think, Teleport scrolls actually promote aggressive play. They allow players to leave their lanes to gank and roam without giving the opponent free reign to knock down their tower. People are very reluctant to leave their lanes in LoL unless they're doing a five man push, part of the reason is a single hero can push down a tower if left alone for too long. And there isn't any way to quickly go back to the tower outside of the Teleport Summoner Spell.
If you need all 6 item slots in a LoL game then you're doing something wrong. There's nothing like GG branch or Circlets that you buy two/three of for that early game advantage. The Doran items are as close as you'll get to a spammable early game item and even then you won't be using more than 3-4 of your item slots until 30 minutes in.
How is it overpowered when:
Scrolls have a cooldown.
Scrolls have to be bought and 135g a pop is nothing to laugh at.
Scrolls can be bought by both sides without limit.
When both sides have access to the exact same resource then how can it be overpowered?
He is, early game diving also poses a risk in DotA but not nearly as large. This makes towers less of a safe zone than they are in LoL.
Are you a frequent jungle player? Because if you were you'd understand how much effort any team has to go through to get a successful gank. Unless one side is very stupid and overextends all the way to tower, it is nearly impossible to kill someone early game without an overwhelming damage/cc advantage.
Mathematically that makes sense, but in reality it is not true. When you have control over your opponents' level of growth through denying, this gives you a clear advantage in terms of money and experience that translates to more aggressive play. Even if both sides are evenly matched in terms of gold/exp growth, it doesn't mean the game is slower. On the contrary, if both sides are underleveled then they become attractive targets for a gank. Which can quickly turn around the flow of the game.
This is, again, a conclusion you can only reach if you have a rudimentary experience with the game. Hatchet was introduced for this very reason, and many melee champions can survive very well in lane with it. Melee heroes are also often equipped with skills that enable them to lane on equal terms against range. Just taking an example at random, EHOME vs Na'vi game two had Lucifer top against Mirana until the lanes started shifting.
I'm not sure I follow your thought process here. You think Summoner Spells compensate for lack of active abilities, yet you dislike activate items because they're giving a player another spell. So where does that leave Summoner Spells?
The point of actives on items is so that you're not confined completely to your champion's built in skills. And that as the game changes, you can get items to compensate for weaknesses that are not covered by your team comp. Unlike Summoner Spells, however, you actually need to work to get those actives, rather than starting the game with them. Which is how they're balanced. The only way to balance Summoner Spells is to increase their cooldown, and even then Flash is still far superior than every other Summoner Spells. At high level games your Summoner Spells aren't an option of two, it's always Flash + something else.
Untrue. Definitely. I've played enough games in both Dota, HoN and LoL to judge that they are about even in terms of average game length. Although, you can concede at 15 in HoN so an obvious victory won't be dragged out to 25 minutes.
I'm against free stats. There is no reason player X should have an advantage over player Y simply because player Y played more. This is my main gripe with the rune system. Competitive games should start everyone out on equal terms. The right runes can mean a 400-600 gold advantage, which is nothing to sneeze at.
No, the lanes are set like that because Baron is useless until 30 minutes in and Dragon is a crucial resource. And because jungling is more or less a staple of most pro strategies. There is little room for variation.
What is this I don't even.
And the DotA lanes are actually pretty different on a side. For example, top Sentinel is the risky lane, because it borders the Scourge jungle and it's far away from the tower. It's vulnerable to ganks and aggression. Bot Sentinel is the safe lane, because it borders your own jungle, your teammate/jungler can pull the creeps and it's closer to your tower. The opposite is true for Scourge. Compare that to the LoL lanes, which are all equidistant from their respective towers. The only difference is that a typical blue -> red jungle path will take the Blue jungler to bot lane and the Red jungler to top lane. That is pretty much it.
Are you really comparing DotA 2 to Dominion? What?
Please don't take the EHOME vs Na'vi finals as representative of the entire game, that's doing it a serious disservice. When you have $1 million on the line I doubt you'd be itching to play aggressively. Especially in a game that severely punishes misguided aggression.
You know, I had a long ass reply I was typing up (I've spent like 30 minutes on it so far and I'm like two thirds done), but it isn't worth it. I just want to bring up this point:
The average game length at The International was 44 minutes (I counted the time length of every match and hate myself for doing it) with the longest game being 94 minutes and the shortest one clocking in at 21 minutes. LoL probably has a similar clock time, but I honestly don't know due to the lack of archival services.
I'm gonna go stomp the AI with Janna.
The average game length at The International was 44 minutes (I counted the time length of every match and hate myself for doing it) with the longest game being 94 minutes and the shortest one clocking in at 21 minutes. LoL probably has a similar clock time, but I honestly don't know due to the lack of archival services.
I'm gonna go stomp the AI with Janna.
SouthernDragon
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Dumb conversation is dumb.
A lot of Riot's decisions are excellent for getting players to sink additional time into their game, but it's not great for balance or competition. Runes are very much a mixed bag to me, especially when you take their cost into account. Getting a set of Runes costs 3600 IP, and a full page could go to 12000 IP or more. It's absurd. At least they are addressing champion costs.
Not to mention this:
That's right, if you are laning against a solo melee, it's actually REALLY BAD to deny at level 1, as it'll give them more experience than them killing the creep outright. They still lose out on crucial early game gold. At level 2 is when they start to lose XP outright.
Jesus, JWong, I love LoL, but you do not need to defend everything about it. LoL definitely has flaws, and I'm starting to see Flash as a summoner ability as one of them.
That said, to the better-minded here:
What do you think of a separate item slot made SPECIFICALLY for wards? Often I want to get wards, but I can't because I have all a slots full. Would it be game breaking? The only scenario I can think of that's ridiculous are champions running around planting wards all the time and the other team running oracles to destroy the wards.
And LoL needs to allow buybacks. What good is 3k gold after a while?
A lot of Riot's decisions are excellent for getting players to sink additional time into their game, but it's not great for balance or competition. Runes are very much a mixed bag to me, especially when you take their cost into account. Getting a set of Runes costs 3600 IP, and a full page could go to 12000 IP or more. It's absurd. At least they are addressing champion costs.
Not to mention this:
playdota.com said:
That's right, if you are laning against a solo melee, it's actually REALLY BAD to deny at level 1, as it'll give them more experience than them killing the creep outright. They still lose out on crucial early game gold. At level 2 is when they start to lose XP outright.
Jesus, JWong, I love LoL, but you do not need to defend everything about it. LoL definitely has flaws, and I'm starting to see Flash as a summoner ability as one of them.
That said, to the better-minded here:
What do you think of a separate item slot made SPECIFICALLY for wards? Often I want to get wards, but I can't because I have all a slots full. Would it be game breaking? The only scenario I can think of that's ridiculous are champions running around planting wards all the time and the other team running oracles to destroy the wards.
And LoL needs to allow buybacks. What good is 3k gold after a while?
Well it would make up for the lack of a stash/courier, but then it would allow people to just spam wards all over the place without any drawback.
Also LoL players tend to make a much bigger deal over denying than is necessary, at the average skill level they aren't going to come into play all that much outside of denying towers.
Also LoL players tend to make a much bigger deal over denying than is necessary, at the average skill level they aren't going to come into play all that much outside of denying towers.
dragonlife
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Haly's a pretty cool dude.Boken said:
That said, I kind of enjoy reading these back-and-forths because I'm new to the genre. They're insightful. I like seeing how fans of different games debate, so long as it's not in a rude way (which hasn't been the case so far).
Anyway, I did a 3v3 game on Twisted Treeline. I wasn't ready. I didn't want to do it. I only play with Beginner bots with a friend or two. But two friends wanted to do it, so I figured I'd give it a shot...
I was terrible. It was pretty heartbreaking, actually. In a funny way, of course. We lost badly (only one of us was good. our levels were 30, 10, and 5). And your first PVP experience is incomplete unless you get called a fag, I guess. Got that, too!
I don't think it would be game breaking. One of the reasons people don't like to buy wards is because they aren't very strong in LoL compared to DotA. Another reason is because they only last 3 minutes, which forces people to run back and forth from fountain to where they want to ward, or buy ward in bulk (which is typically a bad move).FlightOfHeaven said:
Courier would solve this but I don't think the LoL engine can accommodate a separately controlled unit. Hopefully, they're rebuilding the engine from scratch for that rumored Shiny update.
A slot dedicated to wards might help alleviate the matter somewhat, but the underlying problem is still there.
ultimoo gonna ultimoo basically.
Only bad players don't buy wards. WARDS FOREVER! WARDS WIN GAMES!Halycon said:
Coincidentally enough, my last game was one that was won by wards. We had a worse comp, no jungle, and a pretty bad start. They never bought wards while 4 of us were dropping them down like candy.
SouthernDragon
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Ikuu said:
I just wish that I had something to do with all the gold I accumulate after a certain point. I have a crazy amount of gold, and pots only make a dent. I suppose I could buy cheap pots for the troll...
Also, the auto-buy feature is something I wish was in LoL. With Jarvan I often get Cleaver, and going through the menus for something I KNOW I'm going to get, but there is no direct access to, is annoying.
Also, question: can you buy stuff and put it in your stash while you are in lane? Because that'd pretty much remove the OH NOES LOSE GOLD ON DEATH!!! worry for me.
SouthernDragon
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Halycon said:
Thank you very much for the answer. I still think wards are really good, which is why I like Wriggle's on Jarvan so much and will keep it on him forever. I often wish I had somewhere to keep them.
Ikuu said:
ALL MY CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ALLEVIATED.
I plan on purchasing Boots of Travel. sqqquuueeeee My favorite boots by FAR
Wards win games, but most people don't know that because the benefits of proper warding are subtle. Compare that to the effort and risk of proper warding and it's no surprise people don't want to.shintoki said:
Make them stronger/easier to use = more people use them.
That's like saying LoL hasn't changed from beta until now. Of course the game still looks similar but the dominant strategies are completely different.
Unless you really believe the Dota metagame hasn't evolved from since you played?
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