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A friend of mine just started playing and is hounding me about what champ is the best at what. I told him that, while stinkers exist, I find the game to be remarkably well balanced. You could ask a hundred guys what their dream team consists of and you will get 100 different answers.
So, Gaf, what is your LoL dream team? Lets say you are playing a blind pick Summoner's Rift game. Every player is of equal skill with every type of champ. Bonus points for even describing lane positions.
I'm only level 20 and there are tournament staples that I've never even seen (Udyr, for example) so my opinion is essentially worthless. But so far with what I see in my average games, this is what I'd go with:
Solo top: Akali
Solo mid: Annie
Jungler: Nocturne
Bot: Soraka and Galio.
I know in ranked, Amumu is pretty much insta-banned which at least insinuates he would be the best tank but I just like Galio better. Everybody seems to love Amumus ult but I just find Galios to be a more effective initiator, although he pretty much needs to burn flash for it. He also provides superior harass during the lane phase. My team is on the squishy side and lacks in some CC but it certainly isn't lacking in the burst department.
So, Gaf, what is your LoL dream team? Lets say you are playing a blind pick Summoner's Rift game. Every player is of equal skill with every type of champ. Bonus points for even describing lane positions.
I'm only level 20 and there are tournament staples that I've never even seen (Udyr, for example) so my opinion is essentially worthless. But so far with what I see in my average games, this is what I'd go with:
Solo top: Akali
Solo mid: Annie
Jungler: Nocturne
Bot: Soraka and Galio.
I know in ranked, Amumu is pretty much insta-banned which at least insinuates he would be the best tank but I just like Galio better. Everybody seems to love Amumus ult but I just find Galios to be a more effective initiator, although he pretty much needs to burn flash for it. He also provides superior harass during the lane phase. My team is on the squishy side and lacks in some CC but it certainly isn't lacking in the burst department.
Crappy players are crappy.
Although I've done that a few times myself so I'm in no position to talk.
(I have no idea how the nerfs affected Ori)
Anyway didn't Stonewall do a Jungle Ori video?
Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhs4iWNWH1A
5:40 is pretty much unviable but it's Ori so that's okay.
Although I've done that a few times myself so I'm in no position to talk.
Only if they are really good. Annie = ezmode.
(I have no idea how the nerfs affected Ori)
Anyway didn't Stonewall do a Jungle Ori video?
Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhs4iWNWH1A
5:40 is pretty much unviable but it's Ori so that's okay.
Yeah, outlaning a champion like Annie with her very average range is pretty easy.
Serious answer:
Winning your lane can and will win you games. With that in mind, these are in my opinion, the strongest champions in the respective lanes:
TOP LANE:
Garen
Renekton
Rumble
Singed
Chogath
Irelia
Nasus
MID LANE:
Orianna
Brand
Cassiopeia
Swain
Anivia
BOT LANE:
Taric with Caitlyn
Taric with Vayne
Janna with Ashe
Janna with Caitlyn
Soraka with Ashe
Soraka with Corki
Soraka with Tristana
JUNGLE:
Nocturne
Lee Sin
Amumu
Udyr
I think any combination of the above makes pretty strong teams themselves.
Serious answer:
Winning your lane can and will win you games. With that in mind, these are in my opinion, the strongest champions in the respective lanes:
TOP LANE:
Garen
Renekton
Rumble
Singed
Chogath
Irelia
Nasus
MID LANE:
Orianna
Brand
Cassiopeia
Swain
Anivia
BOT LANE:
Taric with Caitlyn
Taric with Vayne
Janna with Ashe
Janna with Caitlyn
Soraka with Ashe
Soraka with Corki
Soraka with Tristana
JUNGLE:
Nocturne
Lee Sin
Amumu
Udyr
I think any combination of the above makes pretty strong teams themselves.
Darnit, I was just going to say 4 Riven's and a jungle Nocturne but you jokers joked the joke before me.
I dunno, maybe Malphite/Singed, Lux, Riven, Annie, Vayne, Caitlyn, and Gangplank. Or some combination of those depending on whether Riven is AD. I don't remember.
I dunno, maybe Malphite/Singed, Lux, Riven, Annie, Vayne, Caitlyn, and Gangplank. Or some combination of those depending on whether Riven is AD. I don't remember.
As I asked earlier (and didn't see an answer yet), the problem with Annie is that if you ever get in her range, you take all 3 of her spells, which hopefully leaves you at 20-30% health and hoping you don't get ganked as you try to chase after the stun wears off, through Tibbers. Is the key to build magic resist and those magical shoes?Boken said:
Blizzard said:
Technically it's already a smartcast ability (there's no targetting). It's just lame that the way she targets with it changes if your hovered or not. Which means you can go flying in the other direction if you accidently stop hovering over someone. Why they didn't make it follow your cursor all the time is beyond me. Maybe they though ti added difficulty, to me it just adds a cumbersome mechanic.
Blizzard said:
Never get in her range. The current mid champion leaders all have tremendous range that they can use to punish Annie very hard for trying to last hit. If you have a range advantage over Annie, you can easily be the one who is aggressive and deny her gold and hence items/levels.
If you have a weaker mid champ with average range, just focus on farming and avoiding the flash+stun. Since Annie is just about her burst, the best way to counter buy her is through HP (through dorans items or ruby crystal->catalyst) and/or MR (i.e. negatron cloak or null magic mantle. Only buy these if you are going to build something out of it eventually).
Farm is pretty valuable. Don't get too worked up over dying. If an Annie kills you two times, but you're ahead of her in farm by 35+ CS, you're probably ahead.
Thanks, this is what I was doing before, but both times I got in range I got killed. I did outfarm her and won in the end, and then she was like WUT I'M LEVEL 10 I OWNED YOU TWICE YOU SUCK. I felt terrible and was depressed then.Halycon said:
And man, with flash + stun, that gives Annie more range than say, Caitlyn's Q or most anyone's other attacks.
I feel like Twitch is far better than Eve since he actually does Teemo-like damage when he appears, and it's enough to make teams worry about where he is.Wren said:
There is supposedly some stealth mechanic rework, however, so I guess in a few months they might become better.
Boken said:
I actually prefer alistar support to either taric or soraka. Well haven't played around enough with the new taric to judge that, but alistar was better than old taric..
I also prefer a good jungle fiddle to most other junglers, because fiddle doesn't really have to build jungle items, and he can gank at any level.
Your other option it to make her go back to base before 6. This is possible with certain characters such as Ori or Brand, who can outrange/harass her or go toe to toe with her nukes.Blizzard said:Thanks, this is what I was doing before, but both times I got in range I got killed. I did outfarm her and won in the end, and then she was like WUT I'M LEVEL 10 I OWNED YOU TWICE YOU SUCK. I felt terrible and was depressed then.
Oh yeah, I forgot how good Alistar is at support bot and that Jax is still one of the good tops.
Alistar + Cait or Vayne is very strong too.
I like Fiddle and all, and he's a great jungler but he can't gank very easily before 6. You use fear just to get into a decent enough range to drain. I made that list for his new to LoL buddy and I don't think Fiddle ganks are very strong in the hands of an inexperienced player compared to say, Udyr or Nocturne.
It's true that Fiddle doesnt have to build jungle items, but Wriggles is such a good item for most junglers anyway (see how top lanes or carries sometimes get Wriggles. Nerf that thing already Riot). This isn't so much a positive because Wriggles speeds up jungling by a huge amount and eventually, Fiddle's jungling becomes quite slow and players have to make guaranteed ganks to offset this.
Kog has a very weak laning phase. Zilean and Annie lose to the strong mids. Jax, Fiddle and GP are pretty good though I'll give you that.
@Neki, because he's a weak laner.
Alistar + Cait or Vayne is very strong too.
I like Fiddle and all, and he's a great jungler but he can't gank very easily before 6. You use fear just to get into a decent enough range to drain. I made that list for his new to LoL buddy and I don't think Fiddle ganks are very strong in the hands of an inexperienced player compared to say, Udyr or Nocturne.
It's true that Fiddle doesnt have to build jungle items, but Wriggles is such a good item for most junglers anyway (see how top lanes or carries sometimes get Wriggles. Nerf that thing already Riot). This isn't so much a positive because Wriggles speeds up jungling by a huge amount and eventually, Fiddle's jungling becomes quite slow and players have to make guaranteed ganks to offset this.
I don't get it. I wasn't trying to make a list of all the best champions. Just champions really good at their lane.Dance In My Blood said:
Kog has a very weak laning phase. Zilean and Annie lose to the strong mids. Jax, Fiddle and GP are pretty good though I'll give you that.
@Neki, because he's a weak laner.
SouthernDragon
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Advice from VeteranLoL-GAF:
As Cait I often win my lane, whether it's top, mid, or bot. I am usually the first to get a tower on either team, or I'm close to it. By the time I get tower, I have Greaves, BF, and Zeal. I join other lanes, and take their towers.
So now their 3 Outer towers are gone.
I often find myself, and the team, lost. We've gained a massive gold/xp advantage and I have no idea how to make use of it. Ball up and push?
Also, it's really disheartening to repeatedly take lanes and win them, only to end up losing.
As Cait I often win my lane, whether it's top, mid, or bot. I am usually the first to get a tower on either team, or I'm close to it. By the time I get tower, I have Greaves, BF, and Zeal. I join other lanes, and take their towers.
So now their 3 Outer towers are gone.
I often find myself, and the team, lost. We've gained a massive gold/xp advantage and I have no idea how to make use of it. Ball up and push?
Also, it's really disheartening to repeatedly take lanes and win them, only to end up losing.
Is solo-top solo-mid and a pair on bottom + a jungler just the generally accepted way of things when it comes to lane assignments? Is there a reason that you have 2 people on bottom instead of in any other lane?
Are there any good guides out that one could read that would explain reasoning behind such concepts? All I can ever find is guides for specific champions that assume I know more than I do. I'm really just looking for a guide that is like "Stuff you should know/understand before becoming even mildly competitive in LoL".
Are there any good guides out that one could read that would explain reasoning behind such concepts? All I can ever find is guides for specific champions that assume I know more than I do. I'm really just looking for a guide that is like "Stuff you should know/understand before becoming even mildly competitive in LoL".
SouthernDragon
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ultron87 said:
Dragon control on bot. With two people bot you can occasionally rush Dragon, and if you are on the top half, control Blue, too.
A jungler is there for ganks and to make use of the jungle gold/xp
Junglers increase the experience your team obtains while making use of the jungle buffs early game. Most of the time this is too valuable to forgo.ultron87 said:
And then two bot is because Dragon is more valuable early game (compared to Baron) so you want more people near it to readily contest it.
.Ultimoo said:
SouthernDragon, it just sounds as though your team either sucks at team fights, or your team allowed the other team to come back.
Either way, if youre so massively ahead, take advantage of it. Don't allow the other team to climb back by ganking you, or farm easier because 2nd towers are harder to gank. Take advantage of your increased map control and gold/exp lead. Take dragon, take their blue and red, ward their jungle and PUSH (as a team).
Played a hilarious game last night with 4 friends.
Anivia.
Sion (me).
Taric.
Renekton.
Lux.
It had to be so frustrating for the other team. We'd gank and stunlock people all day long. Game took a while but we easily won.
I also went AD Sion due to how heavily AP-sided we would of been. Late game I was wrecking people with like 4k health and 350 AD, but early game was quite boring and useless feeling besides my stun. Ended 10-4 I believe.
Sion didn't feel much different besides having a larger mana pool and a slightly (but still slow) base attack speed.
Anivia.
Sion (me).
Taric.
Renekton.
Lux.
It had to be so frustrating for the other team. We'd gank and stunlock people all day long. Game took a while but we easily won.
I also went AD Sion due to how heavily AP-sided we would of been. Late game I was wrecking people with like 4k health and 350 AD, but early game was quite boring and useless feeling besides my stun. Ended 10-4 I believe.
Sion didn't feel much different besides having a larger mana pool and a slightly (but still slow) base attack speed.
Yeah, I want to try Kayle since that claim of 2-second tower times. Even a max Sivir build is supposed to take like 5 seconds to kill a tower.Ark said:Enjoying Talon's burst deepz, but he's far too squishy for my liking.
Will get around to buying the Riven bundle tomorrow probably. Will definitely try out Kayle soon too
I'm curious if it's possible to put defense items on Talon and make him a tanky dps (tm).
SouthernDragon
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2 seconds is a bit of hyperbole.
She's still extremely capable in the right hands, but she's also heavily item dependent. Once she's fed, though, she's much scarier than other fed champs. Fed Kayle can take 2-3 people on simultaenously thanks to her AoE, heal, and ult.
She's still extremely capable in the right hands, but she's also heavily item dependent. Once she's fed, though, she's much scarier than other fed champs. Fed Kayle can take 2-3 people on simultaenously thanks to her AoE, heal, and ult.
IsayFever
Member
Dance In My Blood said:
Eh I dunno. I play glass cannon style on her, and just use the W as an escape mechanism. The stacks you get from rageblade makes her Q so powerful I just can't overlook it. Like in that game there my Q was hitting Riven and LeBlanc for nearly 70% of their life, and I just had to burst down from there with E.
I could blow on Riven or LeBlanc and take nearly 70% of their health bar.IsayFever said:
Rageblade is going to take eight stacks to give you a benefit of 48 AP. If you are getting up to eight auto-attacks on Kayle before using your slow you are missing out on a lot of damage on your opener, missing your kiting opportunity, and missing out on preventing opponents from running. Malady is going to give your target -24 MR after only four attacks, which will stack on top of your passive. On top of that it is doing 20 damage before we take MR into account every single hit. So for eight hits on Malady instead of slowly building up AP you've already done an extra 160 damage. You also wouldn't need that ridiculous Phantom Dancer in your build to have enough base Attack Speed.
Mister Wilhelm
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YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW THE HORROR I JUST WENT THROUGH
I feel like gouging my fucking eyes out with a pencil.
I feel like gouging my fucking eyes out with a pencil.
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