SouthernDragon
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bjaelke said:
10 ppp is so stupid.
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10 ppp is so stupid.
Ladyboy101
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who the fuck defends a op champ? only its users.
i turned hostility because op champ abusers are the ones that ruin the game. their dirty level is on par as the OMA noobtubers in MW2 and hackers in COD4. they are the roaches in the community, should get shit on by the community.
dont even come challenge me with that 1v1 shit, i dont take on a pussy that's wider than its length.
i turned hostility because op champ abusers are the ones that ruin the game. their dirty level is on par as the OMA noobtubers in MW2 and hackers in COD4. they are the roaches in the community, should get shit on by the community.
dont even come challenge me with that 1v1 shit, i dont take on a pussy that's wider than its length.
On paper he looks kind of imbalanced if only because he's got an escape and he doesn't really compromise autoattacking ability for spell damage like other RDPS champs do. First thing that sticks out to me is that his range is set at 550 (which seems to be a common number), below the top-tier RDPS like Cait but still probably 25 higher than where I'd put him seeing as how he's got a gap closer and clear synergy with being closer to an opponent.Jenga said:
Another general design problem I have with him (and many other League champs) is the lack of scaling on some abilities, making them one-point-wonders and effectively limiting more skill builds.
In practice I haven't seen him do anything insane at all. I don't know if it's because I haven't seen a good player take over games with him or because he's just not that good in practice compared to the current stable of champs. I think he's definitely in a bit of an awkward situation though. I put MF as the epitome of well-designed champs with a good mix of casting and autoattacking. I think Graves is probably too strong in the casting department right now, and I'd personally like to see his skills (particularly E) tweaked more towards the autoattacking side, coupled with some damage nerfs to his R.
So yesterday, I was laning with Grave as Sona. We started by hiding in the bush to ambush our opponent. When Renekton walked up to the bush, I initiated the attack with q and an autoattack (charged power chord) and grave use his buckshot pointblank and autoattacked him; the combined attacks took him down to less than 1 bar of hp. Grave then flash to him and finished him off with an autoattack.
So fun.
So fun.
Yeah, that brings up a good point tangentially. Graves is a huge meleefucker. This isn't a big problem in LoL because melee champs aren't necessarily worse than ranged champs due to the wide availability of tanking items and gap closing abilities, but in DotA/HoN this would effectively kill the design.Achtius said:
I can't remember who I was using (Riven?), but I encountered at least one Graves that made me think he is pretty squishy. Like, I thought I just ran up and 1v1 killed him a couple of times mid or late game as he was roaming the map or pushing lanes.
However, if he actually has a couple of defense items in addition to the passive buffs, or if he is actually really good with the buckshot, then I guess he could be OP. The only major time I remember one being super strong was when he got crazy attack speed and damage, like a Tristana or Cait late game killing towers.
But as I mentioned, I never get more than like 12-15 kills max so I don't have these 20+ kill games like you people.
However, if he actually has a couple of defense items in addition to the passive buffs, or if he is actually really good with the buckshot, then I guess he could be OP. The only major time I remember one being super strong was when he got crazy attack speed and damage, like a Tristana or Cait late game killing towers.
But as I mentioned, I never get more than like 12-15 kills max so I don't have these 20+ kill games like you people.
I have a few quick warwick questions. I have been buying more runes to finish my rune page, and I am finishing yellow with mana regen.
1. Is per level mana regen really a better idea than flat? It seems to me that low level is when you run out of mana most easily in general, though in warwick's case you hopefully have blue most of the time.
2. Is armor a better idea, or split armor and mana regen for jungling/warwick?
3. My final build has been something someone suggested on here, and I almost never deviate. Wriggles lantern, merc treads, whatever that suggested armor is for warwick (has a kindlegem in it maybe?), warmogs and wits end (order can vary), atmas weapon. If I were to replace anything late game, it might be wriggles...would a frozen mallet possibly be useful since people still sometimes seem to get away, to make myself even more tanky? Would a bloodthirster be useful so I could actually do more damage instead of just being support? Would a guardian angel be good (this seems to be common on endgame warwick) to crank magic resist and armor even higher?
4. I have some bad games, but for most normal length games I seem to consistently get maybe 8-12 kills, 1-5 deaths, and 10-15 assists. Is this about what I should be getting?
I always run flash and smite, but the one downside of being tanky seems that my damage output is not too great and of course I don't have a way to escape without flash, but otherwise he's probably the one jungler I'm decent at.
1. Is per level mana regen really a better idea than flat? It seems to me that low level is when you run out of mana most easily in general, though in warwick's case you hopefully have blue most of the time.
2. Is armor a better idea, or split armor and mana regen for jungling/warwick?
3. My final build has been something someone suggested on here, and I almost never deviate. Wriggles lantern, merc treads, whatever that suggested armor is for warwick (has a kindlegem in it maybe?), warmogs and wits end (order can vary), atmas weapon. If I were to replace anything late game, it might be wriggles...would a frozen mallet possibly be useful since people still sometimes seem to get away, to make myself even more tanky? Would a bloodthirster be useful so I could actually do more damage instead of just being support? Would a guardian angel be good (this seems to be common on endgame warwick) to crank magic resist and armor even higher?
4. I have some bad games, but for most normal length games I seem to consistently get maybe 8-12 kills, 1-5 deaths, and 10-15 assists. Is this about what I should be getting?
I always run flash and smite, but the one downside of being tanky seems that my damage output is not too great and of course I don't have a way to escape without flash, but otherwise he's probably the one jungler I'm decent at.
1. Mana per level, because you might want to give blue to your AP carry after you've cleared the jungle a few times. But...
2. I'd recommend armor runes over mana regen. It lets you buy more offensive items and not worry that much about defense.
3. Have you considered Madred's Bloodrazor? If you're having a good game, then try to save up for it rather than go for the cheaper Wriggle's Lantern. The AS alone from MD makes up for the lack of life steal by synergizing with his passive. The armor you're thinking of is Spirit Visage. Godlike item on WW. Frozen Mallet and Atma's Impaler are also great offensive items with defensive bonuses (health+armor). If you run blue MR runes, Spirit Visage and Mercury's Treads, then your MR should be sufficient. Otherwise Hexdrinker and Wit's End are great upgrades.
Build example: Madred's Bloodrazor, Mercury's Treads, Spirit Visage, Frozen Mallet, Atma's Impaler, Hexdrinker/Wit's End.
4. If you win the games, then yes, those are the scores you should be getting
2. I'd recommend armor runes over mana regen. It lets you buy more offensive items and not worry that much about defense.
3. Have you considered Madred's Bloodrazor? If you're having a good game, then try to save up for it rather than go for the cheaper Wriggle's Lantern. The AS alone from MD makes up for the lack of life steal by synergizing with his passive. The armor you're thinking of is Spirit Visage. Godlike item on WW. Frozen Mallet and Atma's Impaler are also great offensive items with defensive bonuses (health+armor). If you run blue MR runes, Spirit Visage and Mercury's Treads, then your MR should be sufficient. Otherwise Hexdrinker and Wit's End are great upgrades.
Build example: Madred's Bloodrazor, Mercury's Treads, Spirit Visage, Frozen Mallet, Atma's Impaler, Hexdrinker/Wit's End.
4. If you win the games, then yes, those are the scores you should be getting
Blizzard said:
1 I run mana regen/level for AP casters. I haven't done the math in a while but I think they pass at level 6/7. Before then, you shouldn't really be spamming too much as you aren't likely to kill the target anyway. I actually don't lane WW much though. I could see why it might be helpful for his early sustain.
2 I always run armor on a jungler. Some people suggest dodge. I wouldn't consider anything other than these two.
3 You should deviate more. Warmog's is really good, but if you're facing a heavy AD team you might want to consider frozen heart. Mana and cooldown reduction help with Q spamming, and you get a ton of armor. Force of Nature is great on any tanky DPS when there's high burst on the other team (movespeed OP). If they just aren't damaging you, think about Frozen Mallet instead of Warmog's. If you're jungling, think about Randuin's for armor, health, and to build off a gold item. Realistically, you're going to fall into a similar build in most games but you should be more flexible and build items for a reason.
4 Don't worry about it. It's situational. Just think about the deaths that you do have and think were they avoidable, did you gain more than you lost out of the engagement, did you kill a higher value target, and so on. Focus on why you died and whether you got a team objective out of it.
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Maybe it's just because I started playing LoL a couple months ago and I don't "get" you, but why do you keep asking questions like this? Do you really go 8-1-10 during a normal game and question whether or not that was an acceptable score? Is this some sort of weird stealth-brag thing? You seem to play a ton of games, what summoner level are you and what is your record?
Or did I just get astrolad'd?
Think I've decided to roll support for a while, I have played around with Soraka, Anumu, Ashe and Tristana, but jut always have more fun following players around and healing them than actually killing stuff. Who knows, maybe I'm just weird..
Anyway, looking through the support characters, Sona looks sweet (and I've heard she's pretty sweet), so saving up my IP for her now.
Now that i've kind of determined what I'm going to play as, I'm curious about items. I basically buy everything on the recommended tab, almost in order... I can only assume that's decent, but by no means the best path. So for someone developing a support chatacter, what's the best way to determine items you should be buying?
Anyway, looking through the support characters, Sona looks sweet (and I've heard she's pretty sweet), so saving up my IP for her now.
Now that i've kind of determined what I'm going to play as, I'm curious about items. I basically buy everything on the recommended tab, almost in order... I can only assume that's decent, but by no means the best path. So for someone developing a support chatacter, what's the best way to determine items you should be buying?
1) Go to www.solomid.net
2) Find the character you're playing
3) Read the featured or approved guide
Edit: Items you want to typically buy on support characters are wards, Philosopher's Stone, wards, Heart of Gold, wards, Shurelia's Crown, wards, oracle elixers, wards, cooldown boots or Mercury Treads, wards, Aegis of the Legion, wards, Banshee's Veil, wards, and so on. (Don't forget about wards)
2) Find the character you're playing
3) Read the featured or approved guide
Edit: Items you want to typically buy on support characters are wards, Philosopher's Stone, wards, Heart of Gold, wards, Shurelia's Crown, wards, oracle elixers, wards, cooldown boots or Mercury Treads, wards, Aegis of the Legion, wards, Banshee's Veil, wards, and so on. (Don't forget about wards)
I think when I started I got raged at a LOT (by GAF people if not randoms), and I feel bad if I let my team down or if a loss is my fault now, even if my team doesn't rage at me about it afterwards. If I was tank, people would rage about dying, or me not initiating properly. A gaffer would like, yell at me if I was Soraka and ever used starcall on minions since they wanted all the kills etc. Now I understand that may be true, but so much abuse has crushed me into a cowering husk of a man. ;(Wrekt said:
I wanted to know if the ratios I mentioned were an approximate measure of doing well -- as someone suggested, winning team fights can be much more key, (assuming the other team actually lets you have team fights). However, I feel that in some cases teammates who are say, 0/17 with blitzcrank can significantly hurt the team. Thus I try not to feed, which as I understand it is dying needlessly and giving the other team gold. I don't like dying if I feel that it could have been avoided, or it didn't accomplish much.
I play a lot of games, I'm summoner level 30, I have like...204 wins, and I think about 250-260 losses. Yes, about 50+ losses more than wins. I might post a screenshot like everyone else to brag about a good game, but I hardly think my record is worth bragging about, do you?
Thanks for the detailed suggestions, bjaelke and Archaix. One suggestion I have heard is to get used to a build and then learn how to vary it, and I think that sounds like a good idea.
Two ranked games in a row I get AP Sions mid that lose terribly, and two solo lanes that lose terribly and feed. One dude goes fiddle and fucks up blue (apparently he missclicked? something?) and proceeds to never go bot and I lose to soraka and vayne because support lux (?) had to do fiddle's job and help the other lanes. Vayne proceeds to talk shit because all cunts start talking shit when they get kills.
2-17 by 20 minutes.
Shit like this makes me want to uninstall this game and never fucking look back.
2-17 by 20 minutes.
Shit like this makes me want to uninstall this game and never fucking look back.
Alternatively, I just won a normal random where we had a disconnect within 2 minutes so it was 4v5. We went on to dominate all team fights/take towers/force surrender in 26 minutes.
Edit: That 23 kill game and this most recent one came after going 1/11. This game always seems to be highs or lows for me.
Edit: That 23 kill game and this most recent one came after going 1/11. This game always seems to be highs or lows for me.
FallingEdge
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Ladyboy101 said:
lol.
I hope Scorporex goes free sometime soon. I want to try him with the new buffs.
Giant burst coupled with long cooldowns. She can kill someone immediately at the start of the fight, then she's kind of useless for 10 seconds. She is also super reliant on items because all it takes is one hp item to fuck up her burst. She needs to bring someone down during her first volley of spells, or close enough that she can auto attack for the kill. Landing all 4 skills is relatively easy... in a 1v1 scenario. In team fights or fights with lots of creeps, chain becomes unreliable and with it, your burst/control.
You rarely get more than 1-2 levels in her blink early game anyway. Chains and sigil are more important for control/damage, respectively. Leveling sigil + blink gives you slightly more farming capability and stable damage, but it reduces your killing power overall.
Oh right, she can't farm creeps at all. So she needs those kills bad, and those kills are only easy to get between 1 and 5 minutes.
Oh right, she can't farm creeps at all. So she needs those kills bad, and those kills are only easy to get between 1 and 5 minutes.
Yeah I know :3
If I had to choose someone who was similar to LeBlanc from DOTA/HoN, I'd say she is a mix between Hag and Pyro. She doesn't have the AoE of Hag but they both suffer from the same problems. Her silence/disable makes her closer to Pyro, but at the same time she's not nearly as good at stunning as Pyro is (single target, slow, delayed).
If I had to choose someone who was similar to LeBlanc from DOTA/HoN, I'd say she is a mix between Hag and Pyro. She doesn't have the AoE of Hag but they both suffer from the same problems. Her silence/disable makes her closer to Pyro, but at the same time she's not nearly as good at stunning as Pyro is (single target, slow, delayed).
Ladyboy101
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oh you so touch mr ethugJenga said:
Jazzy Network
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Graves isn't even that bad. I can name a ton of heroes that were OP on their release. Just off the top of my head, Xin, Brand, Nocturne, Vayne, Leblanc, Miss Fortune, Jarvan. They were much worse than Graves is right now.
I think i might start playing this again, i noticed Twitch dropped in price. Dropped to 1370 in HoN as i was solo queing, due to no gaffers wanting to do Matchmaking with me.
The thing that pisses me off about ranked matchmaking in general (in both games) is the more you lose, the more you get bundled with shitter players and the more you lose. It's never a true indication of your skill.
The thing that pisses me off about ranked matchmaking in general (in both games) is the more you lose, the more you get bundled with shitter players and the more you lose. It's never a true indication of your skill.
dragonlife
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Hey, I'm the same way, though I do like my AP casters. I always gravitate to support in multiplayer games, I guess.Rawk Hawk said:
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