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Ultimoo said:
Male LoL vs Female LoL GO
Sorry for dp, but did anyone catch this article over at IGN?
Hey League of Legends Community, Don't Be a Jerk
Hey League of Legends Community, Don't Be a Jerk
Sorry, just thought I'd drop this here since I still can't believe I got this score! 
http://i.imgur.com/TGM8T.jpg
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IsayFever
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Gaaraz said:Sorry, just thought I'd drop this here since I still can't believe I got this score!
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That Kennen should be ashamed of his boot choice
I think I lost 3-5 games games yesterday when I was jungling and the other team had no jungler. Now the explanation could be that I'm a terrible jungler and my ganks are terrible and all losses were my fault, but considering stuff like one game where early on our DUAL lane has two people with 12 deaths and 1 kill, I don't think I can be blamed for all of it. =(bjaelke said:
Naturally that's normal instead of "competitive" play, but even GAF games seem to get lost when we have a jungler and the other team doesn't, half the time.
perryfarrell
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As usual, Wellplayed's Rampage match coming up shortly.
Dignitas vs TSM
http://www.twitch.tv/wellplayed#
Dignitas vs TSM
http://www.twitch.tv/wellplayed#
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=VWOXwusNU_I#t=141s
First Nocturne, then Udyr. Masters of juke.
4 bans for each teams seems like an overkill.
First Nocturne, then Udyr. Masters of juke.
perryfarrell said:
4 bans for each teams seems like an overkill.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Do we know when the season 2 changes are going to go into effect? It's not this week is it?
NemesisPrime
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This elo thing.... they should really use a better system. Elo is for 1v1.\
I have 170 wins and 150 losses and barely any leaves and still my elo is 900 because I lost the first 10 matches from season 2 due to the influx of nublets. I was 1350 before. Taking me ages to fight back up.
I have 170 wins and 150 losses and barely any leaves and still my elo is 900 because I lost the first 10 matches from season 2 due to the influx of nublets. I was 1350 before. Taking me ages to fight back up.
thestopsign
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Just saw another GAFer in solo ranked queue for the first time ever. Was a good game, but my team pulled ahead at the end and got an uncontested baron.
For those who want a sort of unconventional yet strong pick. I'd suggest Teemo top and go a straight attack speed/proc build with Malady, Wit's End, Starks, and Frozen Mallet. He counters almost every top champion except maybe Irelia, and I stayed even with her for most of the game and crushed her with the help of the rest of my team late. Once you push the top tower down, completely mushroom up their top jungle and force their team to fight the rest of their fights in the top jungle.
For those who want a sort of unconventional yet strong pick. I'd suggest Teemo top and go a straight attack speed/proc build with Malady, Wit's End, Starks, and Frozen Mallet. He counters almost every top champion except maybe Irelia, and I stayed even with her for most of the game and crushed her with the help of the rest of my team late. Once you push the top tower down, completely mushroom up their top jungle and force their team to fight the rest of their fights in the top jungle.
Mister Wilhelm
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bjaelke said:Dignitas first picked Tryndamere
MUST SEE REPLAY.
This and the Teemo pick.
thestopsign
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I'm mostly assuming that most top laners are going to be melee, and that's why Teemo counters them. If they put a switch and put someone like Malz top then I might have a problem. I'm 2-0 in Ranked with one game against a Cho and one against a Irelia, and I've beaten a Singed and Rumble top as well.
Speaking of Teemo, strategy question:
(I know the answer to this may be DUH, PLAY DRAFT NORMAL, but bear with me)
My understanding is that normally, top lane has a solo tank or a solo mostly tank person. I guess if they're a mostly tank person, the team either doesn't have a tank or the bottom lane has the tank as a support (Alistar).
Now, if the top lane is solo and the other team doesn't have a jungler, and we still lose (I have lost about 5 such games, I think most of them with GAF people, in the last 2 days or so), we are presumably doing something wrong. Case in point, last night we had what seemed to be a pretty bad Singed top. However, he was facing Teemo and Zilean.
Strategy question: What do you do as a solo person against Teemo and Zilean? If you are a tank, chances are you don't have ranged attacks. If you are a ranged AD person, chances are Teemo blinding you immediately shuts down most of your damage. If you are a ranged AP person, chances are you are squishy.
In any of the above cases, if you hug your turret you are unlikely to get minion kills due to turret hugging and being blinded by Teemo running in with the dart and running away. You are unlikely to be able to survive at the turret, even with pots, because Zilean can run in, bomb you, and run away (instantly repeating it with whatever ability he has that does that, too). That will be say, 100-300 HP for each combo, most likely.
Then past level 6, even if you charged one of them or got a good gank (through all the Teemo mushrooms), Zilean may be able to save it with his ult. What do you do?
(I know the answer to this may be DUH, PLAY DRAFT NORMAL, but bear with me)
My understanding is that normally, top lane has a solo tank or a solo mostly tank person. I guess if they're a mostly tank person, the team either doesn't have a tank or the bottom lane has the tank as a support (Alistar).
Now, if the top lane is solo and the other team doesn't have a jungler, and we still lose (I have lost about 5 such games, I think most of them with GAF people, in the last 2 days or so), we are presumably doing something wrong. Case in point, last night we had what seemed to be a pretty bad Singed top. However, he was facing Teemo and Zilean.
Strategy question: What do you do as a solo person against Teemo and Zilean? If you are a tank, chances are you don't have ranged attacks. If you are a ranged AD person, chances are Teemo blinding you immediately shuts down most of your damage. If you are a ranged AP person, chances are you are squishy.
In any of the above cases, if you hug your turret you are unlikely to get minion kills due to turret hugging and being blinded by Teemo running in with the dart and running away. You are unlikely to be able to survive at the turret, even with pots, because Zilean can run in, bomb you, and run away (instantly repeating it with whatever ability he has that does that, too). That will be say, 100-300 HP for each combo, most likely.
Then past level 6, even if you charged one of them or got a good gank (through all the Teemo mushrooms), Zilean may be able to save it with his ult. What do you do?
If you can't last hit under the tower stay out of top lane. Dunno what else to tell you. 2v1 is easy if you just hole up, play safe, and do your best on last hitting. They're going to be gimped as hell later into the game in terms of gold, so as long as you don't feed you pretty much win. Zilean is good support but only mid. He doesn't work that well in a duo lane.
If you're low enough that you can be freely dived, you should probably go heal.
A lot of people make the mistake of valuing early CS too much. CS becomes easier and more valuable as the game goes on (only because early cs leads to later cs). Theres no need to put yourself in danger in a 2v1, just play it safe and go back.
I offer no illusions though, 2v1 isn't easy, but it's doable. As long as you don't die and farm averagely, you're on par with them.
A lot of people make the mistake of valuing early CS too much. CS becomes easier and more valuable as the game goes on (only because early cs leads to later cs). Theres no need to put yourself in danger in a 2v1, just play it safe and go back.
I offer no illusions though, 2v1 isn't easy, but it's doable. As long as you don't die and farm averagely, you're on par with them.
I just really don't understand the hypothetical danger here. There's not enough burst there to kill you, and you can punish dives so hard in the game right now that I really just don't see the issue. They can't dive or push hard early game, and by the time the mid game rolls around any top has enough sustain to easily hold the lane under their turret.Blizzard said:
Who are you playing top where this is so hard? Shyvana or something?
It was a Singed top. They weren't being dived so that Teemo and Zilean would take damage they couldn't heal off. The point is that Teemo can use a dart unless you are literally behind the tower, and Zilean can use the bombs even if you ARE behind the tower as long as minions are near. If you get hit with any of the above, you will take say 100-300 damage at level 3-6, right? You also typically have no way to counterattack since Zilean and Teemo have speedboosts plus mushroom bushes to slow. It is going to be very hard to heal off repeated 100-300 damage hits as far as I am aware, if you only have like 700-1000 HP early on. I guess you can try to get the jungler to hold the tower for you while you go heal (enough Teemo mushrooms should also prevent ganks). Singed used all 5 potions early on and was still low HP.Dance In My Blood said:
Singed has a really weak early game, and has to really insert himself into minion waves to pull some kills down, and he's not going to be able to punish anyone in a 2v1 lane because again, he has to put himself out there. That situation is just hard for him, and it's why I only pick Singed in very specific situations if I'm going to play him.
Blinding dart shouldn't be a huge deal to Singed at least, and the mushrooms (don't step on them) shouldn't be an issue. While Teemo is a good counter to Singed, I don't see the combo of Teemo/Zilean as a problem as much as I do the 2v1 nature of the lane and Singed. Something like a Galio/Teemo lane would murder him way worse. But yeah, this is why you play Draft, or just put someone else top and switch your lane comps up.
The best way to handle the situation if you are dead set on running that lane would just be to lead your poison trail on the enemy minion wave as much as possible as it comes in, because that's the only opportunity you're really going to get to do much damage. When the situation gets to the point where they're approaching your turret you are going to have to land some throws on them here and there.
Blinding dart shouldn't be a huge deal to Singed at least, and the mushrooms (don't step on them) shouldn't be an issue. While Teemo is a good counter to Singed, I don't see the combo of Teemo/Zilean as a problem as much as I do the 2v1 nature of the lane and Singed. Something like a Galio/Teemo lane would murder him way worse. But yeah, this is why you play Draft, or just put someone else top and switch your lane comps up.
The best way to handle the situation if you are dead set on running that lane would just be to lead your poison trail on the enemy minion wave as much as possible as it comes in, because that's the only opportunity you're really going to get to do much damage. When the situation gets to the point where they're approaching your turret you are going to have to land some throws on them here and there.
The jungler should be able to punish them if they're that far pushed up. Singed with his slow and most junglers should be able to get a kill if they playing that far up even with Zil and Teemo's speed. If they keep playing that aggressive then the jungle should keep ganking top.
I guess my issue was that with proper Teemo mushrooms you can't really get top, and I either wasn't there enough or was too bad to kill top early on.Dmorr07 said:
I might have also been trying to help middle lane since leblanc was feeding.I'm trying to find good lane combinations and understand how to counter them. That one seemed to work well for them, and it seems like Caitlyn + (Taric, Alistar, Riven) works well too.
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