One of the big complains about the new jungle design is that counter jungling is worthless. Spawn timers on the various camps are just too short, so you can't really stop the other jungler from progressing compared to pre-patch.
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One of the big complains about the new jungle design is that counter jungling is worthless. Spawn timers on the various camps are just too short, so you can't really stop the other jungler from progressing compared to pre-patch.
Odd counters show up when you least expect them. Who would go melee mid? Unexpected! I went Ryze mid...got owned by Sivir. Unexpected! (well, by "owned" I mean "her shield negates part of my spell chain and she did like 3/4 of my health with a couple of attacks and then the servers shut down so the game didn't finish")
kiunchbb
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Yeah I am fine, just no power at my house, have to post at work. It is not serious enough to be a disaster. It just never happened in LA before, so I never prepared for it.
Front and back yard going to be hell to clean up ~_~.
you can jungle a number of people without masteries or rune pages. I Believe Warwick is the one one though that can do the standard blue to small golems path without issue. The rest though could easily take the small creep camps till level 3 and then go from there. Besides' level 30 is where the game really begins and I'd rather people learn to lane before they jungle.
also I dislike having people that shouldn't jungle be able to do it. It muddies things up and makes specific roles less clear.
davidpdong
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Tryhard GAF, I (UFOkidd), eagerly await an invite to tryhard GAF ranked team.
I have been toying with a xin zhao jungle build. He's always had good ganks. wriggles > wits > atmogs.
Seems stronk in theorycraft.
I have been toying with a xin zhao jungle build. He's always had good ganks. wriggles > wits > atmogs.
Seems stronk in theorycraft.
Is anyone on the GAF teams still playing? I know there was the tryhard team, the casual team, and the nub team. In theory the casual team should be able to send an invite again now if they have a space, but the nub team definitely hasn't played more than 1 game.
*edit* Also, that's exactly the build I used to always use for jungle Warwick, with the addition of mercury treads and spirit visage. Those items might also work on Xin. Frozen mallet instead of warmogs would also be an option.
Your ADs might not be doing enough damage if you aren't using arpen in those spots. If you aren't running 31|10% for arpen you will be putting yourself behind for early and mid game against the tryhard types. My policy if you want to dominate or maximize the potential max out arpen totally via runes and masteries. If you don't, just expect the one with more arpen to out damage you everytime even with lesser items once they get items that feed in to that method of damaging.
I use vayne and ashe so their kits allow me to negate the ms problem. AD range may not be your thing. IF you want kills get serious about damage and be a glass cannon. Use seals and glyphs for making yourself more survivable outside of that use items otherwise you are gutting your late game potential.
Always get IE and Bloodrazor then build around the main weaknesses of the other team.
SouthernDragon
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Yo, good to see you around!
Best of luck there, man.
I was going to make a Janna joke, but that might be in poor taste...
If it makes you feel any better, I thought exactly the same thing. XD
davidpdong
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Kiunch you can play at my housssss
I prefer the european (how fancy!) vayne build of maxing w first, doran stacking and then going bcleaver.
I prefer the european (how fancy!) vayne build of maxing w first, doran stacking and then going bcleaver.
thestopsign
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Tryhard GAF has had a few games, and we have lost both of them so far. We can try for another one at some point tonight if you want to join.
I have a Twisted Treeline specific question! I have two friends who play almost exclusively 3v3, and I'm occasionally the third person. I'd like a champion who's consistently very good in TT in whatever matchups might happen (they play blind pick).
Now, the most obviously overpowered is Tryndamere, and I don't want him. I actually bought some runes for Mundo, since he apparently USED to be really good.
For starters, would Mundo or Sion work? Is Mundo still good enough to be good, or were nerfs too much for even TT?
Now, the most obviously overpowered is Tryndamere, and I don't want him. I actually bought some runes for Mundo, since he apparently USED to be really good.
For starters, would Mundo or Sion work? Is Mundo still good enough to be good, or were nerfs too much for even TT?
dont think old junglers with sustain, ww, udyr, olaf, need a rework. their fustain is fine. it means they can stay in the jungle longer if they want, jungle safer, and can come out of the jungle with higher health. i think they are just fine that way.
thestopsign
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Mundo is really strong, or at least he was. I think Wukong would also be a good fit, maybe Jarvan.
Mundo seems okay if I can learn his cleaver hitbox, but I was just wondering if his nerf (due to Twisted Treeline) made him unviable even for that, or just unviable for 5v5.
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Singed is a god on TT
Anyone that can sustain in lane by themselves is pretty good. There a reason you don't want to use Tryndamere? He's pretty much a one-man army in 3v3.
Because he's the most obviously overpowered, and I guess I want to learn the second or third most overpowered instead.
(plus I always mistime his ult)MatthewB92
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Thanks for the game tonight. Wish I could've played another but work in the am!
was fun, check out this guide tho http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/ashes-to-ashes-67331
MatthewB92
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will do!
Try Renekton and Yorick.Because he's the most obviously overpowered, and I guess I want to learn the second or third most overpowered instead.
I did try Renekton when he was free, not sure about 3v3. He seemed fun, but I never seemed to do much damage and since he costs 6300 IP I'll pass for now.
bernardobri
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So, encouraged by a few friends, and as someone who barely could play DOTA/W3, I have been playing this for a few hours and I have been enjoying it despite having an awful k/d champion ratio.
I have been messing with a few champs and I like Leona so far, but I'm looking forward to play with more offensive (like a pusher). Is there any cheap and good pusher that I'd get with IP?
My ID is Radiante if anyone wants to play, by the way.
I have been messing with a few champs and I like Leona so far, but I'm looking forward to play with more offensive (like a pusher). Is there any cheap and good pusher that I'd get with IP?
My ID is Radiante if anyone wants to play, by the way.
You can get Tristana (by liking Riot on facebook) for free as well as Alistar (by subscribing to Youtube channel).
Also, join the neogaf chat if you're in NA. Dunno if EU has the same setup.
The Sion guide author says they never got a negative kill/death ratio with him. I went like 4/5/18 so I have already failed him. ;(
We had a good (though really abusive) Vayne so it was a ranked game win, though. Then my next ranked game, the other team banned Sion.
Side note, Akali is almost always first ban. This time we didn't ban her, and the other team's first pick was Akali!
We had a good (though really abusive) Vayne so it was a ranked game win, though. Then my next ranked game, the other team banned Sion.
Side note, Akali is almost always first ban. This time we didn't ban her, and the other team's first pick was Akali!
WHY DON'T YOU TRUST ME SUMMONS.
Yeah, after my comment about Akali and Trynd always being banned, and not banned this last ranked game, here's what happened:
Other team first picks Akali, Akali goes 8/6/2 (I burned a bunch of money on pink wards, but she was still the best player on their team and I think she was dominating early on).
Our team picks Tryndamere, he goes 12/2/6 and carries the team.
So, I guess there's a reason they're always banned. =P I cruised along with Teemo for 3/1/6, thankful for good teammates to carry me.
most of the first bans i see are kass or morgana
i am with you there. that is a great way to fix things.
bernardobri
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It's so genius it's almost as good as the jungle used to be where it just scaled by time in the first place.
I think the old jungle had too many flaws:
1) Limit to champions/builds - only a handful of decent junglers and most of them starting with cloth armor and 5 health pots.
2) Limit to routes - you always knew where the other jungler were and could keep track of his progress with CV. "CV blue at 1:55, CV red at 3:25".
I'm not saying the new jungle is better. But something had to be done in my opinion.
1) Limit to champions/builds - only a handful of decent junglers and most of them starting with cloth armor and 5 health pots.
2) Limit to routes - you always knew where the other jungler were and could keep track of his progress with CV. "CV blue at 1:55, CV red at 3:25".
I'm not saying the new jungle is better. But something had to be done in my opinion.
FieryBalrog
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Kassadin is one of the hardest counters to Karthus in the game.
Karthus has a better early game and can gain the upper hand there, then just end the laning phase as fast as possible or sit back and don't let him take advantage of his ult enough for a kill, and the wall can really mess him up while his ult is on cooldown. It's not so bad. There are way harder counters to Karthus like Soraka and Morgana. As an anti-mage Kassadin is going to be good against Karthus but he isn't anywhere near as strong a laner as Karthus. His potential will come out in team fights and ganks but Karthus can win that lane. There is nothing game ending about seeing a Kassadin as your lane opponent as a Karthus.
I don't really see either of these as flaws of the original jungle, and I don't see the new jungle fixing them if you had an issue with them. The route is still limited, and so are builds. Instead of armor and five pots now it's just Vamp Scepter or Doran's Ring on AP champs. The jungle feels more limiting to me with the speed that it needs to be cleared. Can any champ technically do the first few levels? Pretty much, but what meaning does that have if they have no gank potential or farm efficiency. Orianna and Jax are still trash in the jungle.
Similarly, routes are fixed, and they just involve more running around for less results. There are arguably fewer routes now than there used to be. Before Wolves/Wraiths/Double Golem/Blue were all viable starts depending on champ and playstyle. Now just about every champ is looking at Wolves->Blue->Wraiths->Wolves->Red->Golem. And it's not a fun route, at all. Shaco and Maokai get a different route because of their boxes/saplings, but again, it's a very fixed route. There will always be an optimal jungling route.
Riot made it so everyone can jungle, but now nobody wants to. Clearly this is a failed experiment, but I wish more testing had gone into this jungle before implementation.
I'd never tried to trade with someone in ranked. How do you do it? I was the person doing bans, and I clicked the trade button with someone who wanted to trade. It said pending trade and showed a spinning animation, but nothing happened and then the timer ran out. Does that just mean I got trolled, or maybe the other person didn't know to click the trade icon?
The client bugged out or you got trolled and they chose not to accept.
It was too static and predictable. I'm not in any way defending the new jungle. It's not better in its current state. All I'm saying is that it needed some tweaking.
Also most melee bruisers to double golem and red first and then gank at level 2.
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