Right but you don't get to choose. So someone can peg you with something simple, drop your shield then get ya. QSS seems like ti would be a way better choice and cheaper.
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Right but you don't get to choose. So someone can peg you with something simple, drop your shield then get ya. QSS seems like ti would be a way better choice and cheaper.
I'll never forget the time I played as Garen and an enemy's Veil came up as I was ulting. I never raged so hard. So yes, it saves lives.
Anyone who has mumbled with me knows that I am a spectating dream.
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I hate QSS just because of the fact that I had 2 games with Malz and WW in the other team, and no one in our team buy QSS.
I just wish they will just remove QSS, so I won't be raging so hard every time no one buy QSS against Malz and WW combo. Even if you're tank and no one with a right mind going to ult you, you can still escape stun/slow/etc with it.
qss is usually for champs that NEED to be doing damage, have a means of escaping a cc situation, etc. For squishies BV is usually more prudent since it gives health and prevents game changing scenarios; its true that the shield can be blown on something less devastating than say a Sion stun, but a blocked spell is a block spell. To make it as if someone's spell didn't even exist is always good. But when there are channeling spells like Mal or WW ult, you can take initial damage and deny the rest with qss. It's good because you are causing them to blow their long cd ult and players are always bound to target someone automatically if they don't have that big BV shield on them at the time.
Tanks don't usually get qss, for example, since baiting out such ults is benificial for the team. But there is a reason champs like Trynd or Kass will get qss or cleanse and champs like Amumu and Ashe get BV. Another thing to consider is that QSS is way cheaper than BV. Most carries need to get their big dmg, AP, or aspd items before BV
Tanks don't usually get qss, for example, since baiting out such ults is benificial for the team. But there is a reason champs like Trynd or Kass will get qss or cleanse and champs like Amumu and Ashe get BV. Another thing to consider is that QSS is way cheaper than BV. Most carries need to get their big dmg, AP, or aspd items before BV
Why can't more swains be like you? Swain gets ignited every time, dies instantly, still doesnt buy QSS. Oh lawd.
And you started quoting champions. I'm saying I like the support jungle PLAYSTYLE. Gank champions like lee sin, rammus, shaco are still the most powerful atm.
I have played very little League in the last two weeks, but I'm pretty sure this is just not the case. Rammus and Shaco can be shut down pretty easily with proper play, and neither scale well into the late game. If you want to play that support style gameplay the Skarner, Udyr, and Trundle are just going to fit that role better, and they're better junglers to begin with because of their versatility. Lee Sin is a respectable jungler though, but Rammus and Shaco are pretty plainly just flavor of the month and not actually that amazing.
There was a very long period of time with Rammus jungling much. He's only started to come back recently within the last few weeks really. He's a good jungler, and so is Shaco, but I'm just not sure they're at the very top because of how limited their role can be.
We're talking about the competitive scene or just solo queue?
SouthernDragon
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I enjoyed reading this. I'll give Pantheon another look.
Also, I wanted to share this game. I've tried to refrain from just posting games since we're playing together on a regular basis and don't need to build community anymore, but this one I cannot pass up.
Bot is getting hammered, and Vlad is retarded. I'm kiting a Sion and Karth, and he's yelling at me, wondering why I'm kiting as SIVIR. He stands in Karth's AoE and dies. In another fight, he tries to pool through it and dies. In both I kill the Karth and duel Sion to near death, with the second one ending with Sion dead from Boomerang after I die. Calls me a noob.
It felt SO satisfying to carry his dumb ass. Mid game I point out that he has a shit score and point total, so he starts bitching about being bot = no points. I promptly go bot for the triple kill (this is right after Wit's End) and proceed to jump to 1st place and never look back.
Both? A lot of solo queue is just monkeying the competitive scene because top level strategy comes out there most of the time.
Far from it. Shaco for instance is way more popular in solo queue because he's not as dependent on a team to do well early on. He was played at the IEM qualifiers this weekend and both Elementz and the female host were (pleasantly) surprised to see him in a game. Rammus is the other way around. Not saying he isn't viable in solo queue, but he thrives on a coordinated team. Maokai and Amumu to a lesser extend have the same "problem". They all have great initiation IF the team follows up. Rammus in powerball just has the flaw of outrunning everyone and getting himself into a 1v5 fight. It's not a problem during ganks but in open fights or chases, it can become a problem.
Shaco is easily one of the top bans in solo queue. Especially at my time zone since the korean metagame loves to play shaco. He's just a lot strong in solo queue because people aren't as organised.
I still don't know why they made Red buff apply to single target spells though. Seems really weird.
I still don't know why they made Red buff apply to single target spells though. Seems really weird.
SouthernDragon
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There are a few exceptions to what's popular in solo queue and what's popular on a competitive level. Shaco is one of them, and Sion's another. These champions can exploit weaknesses in poor play, which is why they show up as common picks and bans in solo, but against strong play they can be fairly weak. Demoralizing the opponent can be enough to win many matches, but in reality even a fed Shaco isn't going to be all too helpful when team fights roll around. Shaco is banned because you don't trust your team in solo queue, not because he's actually a top tier jungler.
Rammus is good in solo queue but I don't really see him all that much, and he isn't too common in competitive play either beyond Dan Dinh liking him. He's shown a bit of a resurgence recently but there was a long while where I just did not see him at all.
SouthernDragon
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Remember, I test 'em out in Dominion. I wonder how she'll fare in SR.
Rammus is a third although that's the other way around. He's quite common in competitive tournaments and have been for a long time - not really what you'd define as a FOTM champion. TheOddOne (now we're back to the support jungler) also plays Rammus often. I'm almost certain that he's been featured in every big tournament so far.
Well he wasn't picked or banned at all there.
Looks like you're right. But MLG Providence was difference:
now we have a new champion list to go along with the one from IEM NY
Numbers matter when we discuss popularity.
I love those games where you felt like you could not have played it any better. Went 12-0 with Ez in a ranked match. I was able to last hit most minions and apply pressure early game, got kills along the way, was juking skill shots, kited 3 champs on me at the same time, and blind stole baron. When I stole baron, their tanky GP said "about time your ez did something...oh what? he's 9-0?" Felt like I did my job when the tank doesn't even notices you killing off his team lol.
Feels good man. B-[
Feels good man. B-[
Dominion'd. :|
And as mentioned, at low ELO currently nearly every game has 4-6 of these banned:
Akali (easy to find on the ban screen)
Morgana
Tryndamere
Rammus
Singed
Amumu
Sion (rawr I try to play Sion, don't ban him)
Shaco, Fizz, and Volibear might show up occasionally too.
I'm just making observations of who commonly gets banned. Most of the time I don't even get to ban people myself.
I actually think I prefer to ban Blitzcrank over Amumu since it can screw over uncoordinated/bad teams if he's decent at pulling you out one at a time. At least with Amumu you're all in the same place if he goes in.
Thanks for the reminder. He's another fairly common ban.
Oh, and with so many people queue dodging in ranked queues (I hope that makes them lose Elo), there's always the normal banning strategy of "that guy first-picked Anivia on the team I was just in, so I'm going to ban Anivia to screw him over now".
I'm glad those dark days are behind us. He was completely overvalued.
Like Tryndamere, she can be countered. Like Tryndamere, she can snowball and crush games with 15-20+ kills. Like Tryndamere, she's ANNOYING to fight.
Those are the main reasons I'm glad about the bans. Sure it might be a bad Akali, and/or we might be able to counter her, but no one wants to deal with the stuff required to counter invisible and/or invincible champions, especially in very low skill level games.
Bonus, she's in the top left corner, so when the LoL GUI bugs out and I can't see any champions on the ban screen, at least I can click that spot to ban her.
*edit* I don't mean to be rude, but you did not seem to give any details. Would you mind providing some champions and strategies to counter Akali (top lane or otherwise)?
I encountered this bug a few times. You can type in the champion's name in the search field and click ban.
I was generally talking about lane counters. Akali can get pooped on in lane very easily.
Tryndamere isn't as easily countered as Akali since Trynd has much more sustain and his escape earlier than her.
Akali lane counters:
-Anybody with constant ranged harass: Gangplank, Ryze, Chogath, Rumble, Keenan
-Straight up more damage than her: Garen, Rumble, Renekton
Basically, it becomes incredibly hard for her to CS and the damage and harass should force her back often. Gangplank is one of her easiest to play counters. Press Q on her when its off cooldown and win.
Team fight counters:
-Lee Sin, Karthus, aoe shit
For fun, Trynd top lane counters!
-Udyr, Riven (I don't know for which levels), Rumble, Jax
Tryndamere isn't as easily countered as Akali since Trynd has much more sustain and his escape earlier than her.
Akali lane counters:
-Anybody with constant ranged harass: Gangplank, Ryze, Chogath, Rumble, Keenan
-Straight up more damage than her: Garen, Rumble, Renekton
Basically, it becomes incredibly hard for her to CS and the damage and harass should force her back often. Gangplank is one of her easiest to play counters. Press Q on her when its off cooldown and win.
Team fight counters:
-Lee Sin, Karthus, aoe shit
For fun, Trynd top lane counters!
-Udyr, Riven (I don't know for which levels), Rumble, Jax
Mister Wilhelm
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Garen against Akali at top lane is like the most fun thing ever.
I've never lost that fight or even gotten less than 2 kills before taking the tower.
I've never lost that fight or even gotten less than 2 kills before taking the tower.
Princess Carl
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The real issue is ganking strength without a real gap closer or cc. Not only that but his lane presence is almost too good to waste in the jungle imo.
I agree. But I'm on a yorick learning kick, and seems no one ever jungles on my team in normal-blind. So I just pop on a smite and tune my defensive masteries and use him.
UGH free sion week....
Lee Sin also works well in lane against Akali. He pops all over her shroud.
Avinexus
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I agree, but if nobody is picking him anyways you might as well jungle him if you want to play him. He will always be useful with that ult.
Only take one point in Q & W first and then max E. As a support you need to disable the enemies with your combo, so your carry can get the kill. Start with Philosopher's Stone, Heart of Gold and Mercury's Treads. Then get Aegis, upgrade your GP5 items and get situational tank items.
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