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League of Legends |OT| Free to play Dota clone (PC)
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Jazzy Network
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If LoL stayed the same with relays spectator and good server stability, it would be fine. But right now there's more flaws than I'd like on it.
Teknopathetic
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GGs Earthstrike, met, nilay, and jiten.
Earthstrike
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Teknopathetic said:
Indeed.
Maybe I should've screencapped my 15/3/12 zilean.
Jazzy Network
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Macattk15 said:
Just cause it's a free game doesn't mean they can just leave shit out there normally should be in it and if the servers are down half the time what does it matter if I can't play it?
Jazzy Network said:
I've never had to deal with the servers being down more than like 5 times in all of my playing time and I'm level 30.
If you're talking about them being "Busy", well there are ways around that.
Spectating is really a needed function? Wouldn't you rather be playing it than watching it?
Teknopathetic
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Spectating is also a big boon to competitive play simply because third parties would be able to cast/commentate games.
Jazzy Network
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Macattk15 said:
When I say server stability, I mean both being down and lag. I can't count how many times I play in the middle of a game and it starts lagging like hell and becomes unplayable.
Spectator mode is nice cause I like watching competitive play. Watching a single person play isn't as free as watching a spectator who can watch the whole map. It's not really hard to implement it. They made a ghetto one for WCG.
What can I say? I was responding to a completely moronic post so anything I said was going to sound stupid.Jazzy Network said:
They have server guys working on making the servers better and they have game developers that develop the game. Stopping the development of new champions does not make the server guys jobs easier, it just means that the game devs aren't doing much.
If you're that concerned that LoL's featureset doesn't match up with HoN's, maybe you should just play a game with a featureset that does match up to HoN. Such as HoN itself. As a bonus, the community for that game is already filled with jackasses so you'll fit right in.
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IcedTea said:
LoL is the superior game. It's just run by a bunch of novices. I've never played HoN and never will, but they at least have the most basic of features in a game that absolutely requires it. So they have like 2 guys who work on server stability and 15 working on champions. That's cool if you don't give a shit about actually playing the game when you can and just see when the next skin or hero comes up. I for one actually want to play the game at peak times. But if you wanna just read up on the next hero and batch of skins, that's your right.
Server stability and champ balance take top priority for me. Spectator mode and replays sure would be nice, both would increase LoL's visibility across the web, Spectator allowing for more people to stream competitive matches and replays for easy to upload youtube videos. Which I imagine would be good for Riot's business. more players, more potential buyers.
I'm looking forward to the new bigger three lane map, but still hope we get a single lane map sometime, ARAM is just too fun, but hit or miss in practice games if anyone ever adheres by the rules.
I'm looking forward to the new bigger three lane map, but still hope we get a single lane map sometime, ARAM is just too fun, but hit or miss in practice games if anyone ever adheres by the rules.
I rarely experience lag in during a game, at least anything that makes things unplayable. I do agree though that server stability can be an issue and should be improved. The only other issue I have are the random times I get disconnected from chat server, but that usually doesn't alter the latency I get in game. The only times I find the server to be down is when it's meant to be down for patches and server maintenance. Seriously, some people need to find a new hobby to occupy their time if they're bitching about the server being down.
As for the eSports/Spectator issue; I'm all for this implementation. Watching the WCG US Finals really made it apparent how far and beyond HoN's spectator mode is. I haven't even played HoN and I've found myself to enjoy Honcasts and would hope to see something like that in LoL in the future.
As for the eSports/Spectator issue; I'm all for this implementation. Watching the WCG US Finals really made it apparent how far and beyond HoN's spectator mode is. I haven't even played HoN and I've found myself to enjoy Honcasts and would hope to see something like that in LoL in the future.
Jazzy Network
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Actually I've spent like almost 60-70 bucks on the game already. If its totally free I see your point, but I've laid down quite a bit of money on it already so don't tell me they can slack.Tideas said:
Damn small nerfs to Katarina. She's already weak as it is in competitive play.
Jazzy Network said:
But you weren't required to spend that money on this game, that was your choice. You could of slowly grinded out the IP to buy everything you wanted in this game, except for cosmetic skins ( <3 Corp. Mundo ). I've really only ever had one day where the lag was unplayable and a handful of days where the servers were down. For a "free" game with as many people playing it as there is ... I give them a lot of credit for what currently exists.
Jazzy Network
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True, but I am still a paying customer no matter how you sugar coat it. Ive had at least 4 days in the past week alone that was either me lagging in game incredibly bad or the server itself was off. These were doing peak times around 8-12 est so I couldn't play. One or two times fine, but when it happens week in and week out that is when I start getting pissed.Macattk15 said:
It's all good that its a free game, but it would he dead if it wasn't for people like me who actually do spend money on the game so I really don't want to hear it.
Jazzy Network said:
that was by your own volition. You never had to spend money. you CHOSE to. u never had to spend money to play the game.
that's like saying I gave you a free pizza slice, you bought napkins for it, and you have a RIGHt to complain to me on where I should spend my resources to provide you with the free pizza.
I think paying customers have a right to complain, after all, they're the ones who are supporting the game itself, along with the company.
Also can we have some non-shitty late game MR items already? Armor has Sunfire, Atma's, Thornmail, Randuin's and Frozen Heart.
What do you have for lategame MR? Banshee's (loses cost effectiveness on tanks without mana), Abyssal Scepter, Lichbane (always bought for AP and rarely bought for the MR unless you're playing an AP/Tank hero), Force of Nature (lololololol).
Sometimes GA and Aegis is not enough.
Also can we have some non-shitty late game MR items already? Armor has Sunfire, Atma's, Thornmail, Randuin's and Frozen Heart.
What do you have for lategame MR? Banshee's (loses cost effectiveness on tanks without mana), Abyssal Scepter, Lichbane (always bought for AP and rarely bought for the MR unless you're playing an AP/Tank hero), Force of Nature (lololololol).
Sometimes GA and Aegis is not enough.
Fixed to accurately reflect what Riot is doing.
Jazzy Network
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So if I or other paying customers didn't support the game then this game wouldn't even exist. Of course I have the right to complain. I love it when people use the "well you didn't have to pay for it" excuse.Tideas said:
Jazzy Network said:
But it's a completely viable excuse. You chose to pay because you were impatient, so did I. You CAN complain, but it was still your choice to spend / waste money on this game. I've spent probably the same total of money on this game and you have ... I guess I've just been lucky to not experience the problems you have had. I'm level 30 but on weeknights I might play maybe 3-4 games ... maybe you just play more than me and are exposed to the server issues more than I am .... but I am happy with the product I've contributed to.
If the servers are down, I just go play HoN anyway
Halycon said:
Of course the game was designed to make money, Riot isn't a charity, don't think anyone thinks the game was designed to make nothing ... especially with Riot controlling the servers and not some 3rd party (or ourselves).
Halycon said:
I'll always buy Banshee's ... it has saved my ass so many times and I've seen it save others asses so many times.
Just last night I was playing Corki and I dominated 2 in the bottom jungle and the 3rd (a sub 100 hp Gragas) uses his little charge ability to zip through the wall by the dragon. Of course he has 100 hp so I fire my ult off and JUST as my rocket is about to hit him, his banshee comes off cooldown and absorbs the rocket thus allowing him to get away and me cry.
Go look at the LoL forums sometimes whenever servers go down.Macattk15 said:
There are basically two kinds of posts. "OMG WTF RIOT THIS IS SO RETARDED FIX THAT SHIT ALREADY." and "LOLOLOL WHAT DID YOU EXPECT FROM A FREE GAME?"
A lot of people hold LoL to the standards of a completely free game, like one of those games you find on Kongregate. It's not. It's very clearly a game made with the intention of making money, but is very subtle about how it wants to become profitable. Thus, it should be held to the same standards as any other retail game you paid $30 for (see, HoN). The only difference is some people have paid far more than $30, and it's a slap in the face when the game doesn't even deliver some rudimentary features that have been promised since beta. Did they choose to spend that money? Yes, ultimately they did, and in good faith. It's when that faith turns out to be misplaced that they get angry, and rightfully so.
I was thinking from a tanking perspective. If the other team is mostly physical DPS, you can still have a wide range of options to choose from as you near end game. If the team is mostly caster? Banshees, and that's pretty much it.
Halycon said:
It's hard to build MR so high because all the casters do absolute shit for auto attack damage ... except maybe if they have a ton of AP and buy a Lichbane and really that's only one attack after an ability.
At least if someone is stacking armor against you as a melee dps, you still have your ability damage AND auto attack damage wearing away at them (not to mention the ridiculous auto attack speeds one can get). If someone could stack MR as well as armor, magic users would become completely ineffective against them ... and that would be quite annoying.
That is at least why I think they don't have as many quality MR items as Armor items.
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That's good if you haven't experienced any issues. I have. I've paid them money more than what a retail game is worth. Once you have experienced the same issues I have almost daily since season 1 started, then come to me and give me your excuses, till then, I have the right as a customer of a free game that I am paying for so it won't die.
Plus the things I am asking of are completely reasonable. It's not like I'm asking Riot why they aren't giving me new maps for free or some other dumb thing like that. Server stability and replays are very reasonable things to ask for when season 1 comes out. Before that ok, it wasn't really all the competitive, but now with ranked games, there's no replay? Hell forget even replays, I can't even play half the time without lag or server shutdowns. If you don't play ranked, then good for you, I do.
Allocate your damn resources to server stability at the very least. What does it matter if hero X comes out if the first 2 days the servers are unplayable then when it actually does come on, gets bombarded and lagged to hell?
Plus the things I am asking of are completely reasonable. It's not like I'm asking Riot why they aren't giving me new maps for free or some other dumb thing like that. Server stability and replays are very reasonable things to ask for when season 1 comes out. Before that ok, it wasn't really all the competitive, but now with ranked games, there's no replay? Hell forget even replays, I can't even play half the time without lag or server shutdowns. If you don't play ranked, then good for you, I do.
Allocate your damn resources to server stability at the very least. What does it matter if hero X comes out if the first 2 days the servers are unplayable then when it actually does come on, gets bombarded and lagged to hell?
Yes, in my experience. It is usually more cost-effective to go for Banshees+Some armor item than it is to go for pure hp that is blasted away quickly by both mages and physical dps guys.dionysus said:
Pure hp is pretty much only good against true damage and for percentage costs (like vlad), and even then, you're better off getting some armor and MR to go with that HP.
Health is not completely useless. The thing is you want a good mix of health + defense stats. What a defense stat does it basically increase how much each point of health you have is worth while tanking. So a Ryze with like, 5 RoAs might have 3-4k HP. But if he has base defense it's going to go down pretty fast. On the other hand a tank like Galio with a good blend of items might only have 2.4-2.6k hp, but will be able to tank a lot more damage if he has 2-3 times Ryze's armor and MR.
I don't think leviathan is completely useless, as long as you're good enough to get the full 20 stacks, which isn't hard for a good tank because you'll be getting assists all over the place. Warmog's though, yeah. Piece of shit items really.
I don't think leviathan is completely useless, as long as you're good enough to get the full 20 stacks, which isn't hard for a good tank because you'll be getting assists all over the place. Warmog's though, yeah. Piece of shit items really.
Halycon said:
I think the most compelling argument against Leviathan on a tank is that a snowball item is not a great choice on a character whose team role is predicated on drawing fire and potentially dying a lot. Honestly, I tend to see Leviathan work most effectively on carries of all things: characters that can build stacks quickly, but need survivability on the cheap (which Leviathan provides if you can get your kill on effectively).
But then, I can't get above 1300 Elo in solo ranked so take that for what you will.
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Jazzy Network said:
Concerning the server issues, I think EVERYONE needs to stand back for a moment and realize that this is a very young company. Indeed, their software team is young too. It's not a simple matter of putting more money into servers. There are new issues every day that make them go, "oh, wtf is this" and spend time trying to fix.
Give them time, it'll sort out.
Games you shouldn't lose....
When you are up some 15 kills, 3 Baron Kills, Some 10+ Dragon kills. Yet you were pushed to your base nearly the entire time.
Playing Bayonetta, and I was hitting like a fucking nuke. Yet your team, time and time again did something stupid. Why is our tank alone by their base? Why are we split up in 2 groups? Why did you use your ult on one guy... who you missed, and so forth.
When you are up some 15 kills, 3 Baron Kills, Some 10+ Dragon kills. Yet you were pushed to your base nearly the entire time.
Playing Bayonetta, and I was hitting like a fucking nuke. Yet your team, time and time again did something stupid. Why is our tank alone by their base? Why are we split up in 2 groups? Why did you use your ult on one guy... who you missed, and so forth.
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