Stone Ocean
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I'm betting you'll have to pick between the two
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That's certainly probable. In that case you would get "pick one out of 4" masteries on one row though, unless there are other changes. Perhaps that's not a problem but for symmetry reasons I like two "pick one out of 3" choices instead.
Stone Ocean
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I think these are supposed to be tier 2 keystones since Riot said they'd be adding more choices to those. So I imagine Assassin is a tier 2 utility keystone since Riot wants that to be the assassin tree and Murderous Intent should be a tier 2 offensive keystone.
That sounds reasonable. In that case you will be able to pick both.
I'll cut you
Dreams-Visions
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Nope, I didn't get a single one in all those matches. I was dealing with mostly:
- Jax
- Mundo
- Irela
- Nasus
- Trynd
- Zed
- Other Illaoi's
I wanted to get some experiences vs some of the common ranged pokers (Jayce, Vlad, Gnar) but no luck yet. Maybe tonight. I think she has a lot of bad matchups on paper against some very common picks. Just need to see them first hand to say for sure.
Mostmanlyman
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Yeah, the effect you get on you when she hits you with that pull things lasts for so damn long. During that time you can't do anything, then when it is done she can just hit you with another one.
How long is the effect if you stand and fight her?
Wtf, they're already nerfing him
Why do they hate him so much
1 min I think. You can kill 3? tentacles to end it also but that's obviously easier said than done solo.
Mostmanlyman
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Yeah if you are not playing a ranged champ killing the tentacles are pretty tough.
I meant the soul effect when she initially pulls at you
If you stand and fight then she probably won't turn you into a vessel
EzekelRAGE
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Almost all champs ult and kits in general are made to be combo'd. I can think of few who actually feel like an ult by itself. Most are on tanky juggernauts like Malph/Darius.
Same can be said about most passives. It's just a matter of preference I guess. You find it boring, I don't. I like to sit back and play safe while getting harass in, setting up for the combo. Which is why I like malz as well.
And the guy has the nerve to complain about illaoi and raka during the match. All I could say was "dem bans doe -_-" Raka wouldnt be so bad if they didnt nerf grievous wounds. That nerf plus the keystone for healing makes her so annoying.
I played her vs quinn. The quinn was bad and I got good ganks. I'm sure a decent quinn would have an advantage against her. Vlad was a nightmare for me though. He can just heal through all ur e harass.
Stone Ocean
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It lasts 10 seconds, every auto on her reduces it by 1 second
But you can do that regardless of the passive, that's what being a poke mage means. All the passive does is add some white numbers in the middle of the purple ones.
It depends on where the minion wave is.Illiaoi by herself doesn't look like she can reliably kill the soul yea.
it's also a skillshot so it's possible to dodge.
I'm gonna guess though if you were to, for example. get your soul pulled as their jungler comes to gank your lane is basically fucked maybe?
EzekelRAGE
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Could take a lot of damage. In that case it would be best to leave the range of the soul so they can stop damaging it and just try to remove the vessel stuff.
but he isnt just a poke mage. What are we talking about exactly?
Dreams-Visions
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You don't want to stand in auto range of Illaoi when she's ripped your soul. Just take your punishment and move on. Moving into range means moving into position for her to Q both you AND your soul, leading to massive amounts of damage where it would have only been a little damage at early levels in the laning phase. It's making a bad situation worse unless you have a really good gap-closing champ that can out-trade her and push her back reliably. I've only seen Jax and Yasuo being able to do that so far. I assume range champs can also reliably do that if they don't go in too deep.
Stone Ocean
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I just really dislike passives that only exist to be a lever of balance instead of adding something to a champion. His passive is there to make his scaling linear which in the end is what keeps him mediocre because unlike other mages he can't scale that well as most of his late game damage is behind that passive.
On a different matter:
Reddit don't go crazy with speculation now
EzekelRAGE
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Damage isnt really a problem for him though.
I'm not big on sermons. Broken bones teach better lessons.
Exactly. If I'm gonna lose, it's gonna be my decision.
Sucks because Zhonyas is too expensive. Wouldn't say not viable tho.
Oh I wouldn't try to auto her as a melee with the soul up, I promise. But then again I usually don't play top (and when i do i usually don't play melees). My experience vs her is almost exclusive to bot lane where she is annoying but perfectly manageable since I can peel for the soul in a similar fashion to the way I'd peel for the ADC (and we can clear tentacles pretty easy too). She's like a reverse Zyra, much tankier and harder to kill if jumped on but not as good at harassing or dmging us early on.
She could probably mess with tanky supports pretty well (I kinda had trouble as Tahm but that was my very first time fighting her and we still won lane) but I'm not sure if she'd be better at that than Morg.
Orochinagis
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RIP velkoz then? I like to use him on mid
He's not really any worse than he was? Unless you rushed hourglass. If you played him before than keep playing him now.
Mostmanlyman
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If you like him then continue to play him, but I would just know that there are better mid lanners out there. I wouldn't just completely drop a champ just because the meta doesn't favor him/her.
Stone Ocean
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Mage items are a bit expensive but overall she should be ok
It's not really RIP, Velkoz has never really been anything so nothing's changed
Ghost is Bad
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i just want them to unfuck zed
Zhonya's is pretty now, too bad its so expensive it's now a utility item.
Then I'll make an account on LAS and level it to 30 and stalk zkylons games so I can get in them. I'll pick mid and he will pick lux and I'll solo kill him and he will make a salty post on Neogaf
Me too ghost.
Then I'll make an account on LAS and level it to 30 and stalk zkylons games so I can get in them. I'll pick mid and he will pick lux and I'll solo kill him and he will make a salty post on Neogaf
Stone Ocean
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Fuck zed
EzekelRAGE
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Support Vel is legit though and not a troll pick.
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League of Rageblade. League needs more bans. At least another set. Tryn/yi were negavite. Once they got their rbs, not much we could do.
Nothing worng with vel, If you played him b4 any of these changes(By changes I mean the ap item changes), you can continue. Still viable.
Ghost is Bad
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nah support vel is like lux support.
I'm no hero, I'm just a Yordle with a hammer
Stone Ocean
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Support Velkoz isn't a troll pick, it's just shit
Ghost is Bad
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fkn newt cant even quote properly
Wolf Akela
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I think Cass is very slightly UP. The mana costs are bonkers. She doesnt last very long in team fights.
Mostmanlyman
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Thinking ranked is better than normals.
So next season you can play ranked with more than 2 people?
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3 man troll queues time
Hemi-PoweredDrone
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I've been busy doing my part to help that 75% win rate Quinn has for people with 50-125 games with her.
She may be a tad overtuned.
She may be a tad overtuned.
Those stats are for ranked onlyI've been busy doing my part to help that 75% win rate Quinn has for people with 50-125 games with her.
She may be a tad overtuned.
Get rekt
Hemi-PoweredDrone
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Eh, either way, she's really good right now. Maybe I should try going into ranked to try and fix my MMR.
Ghost is Bad
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nah just wait until s6
duno if posted yet: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/page/snowdown-coming
it like murders everything for reals
good shotcaller from a non-carry position is something tsm could really take advantage of, leave bjergsen to do his magic
you're free to find him fun, but that's just how it is, malzahar is objectively bad design
compare him to lissandra, who's a low range mage but with a very telegraphed engage move and incredible cc if she manages to land it. that's something no other mid does, there may be some overlaps with diana or something, but the difference is still very noticeable
meanwhile velkoz is just another mage with a bit less magic damage and some true dmg to compensate. you wouldn't pick him against a tank him and he's just as good against squishies as he is against tanks
only thing passive does is define his role as a poke mage because it rewards landing multiple spells, but his dmg is also so crazy that he can burst you just the same in one combo
both spells suck
i like zed
um, velkoz ult deals silly dmg, it's not really like old mf ult
it like murders everything for reals
that's depressing if yellowstar leaves, tho i guess would be a really good addition to tsm
good shotcaller from a non-carry position is something tsm could really take advantage of, leave bjergsen to do his magic
ah alright, my b
because a champion that no one likes and always has super high winrate with very uninteractive, frustrating to play against and low counterplay mechanics and very poor ways of expressing creativity or mastery is just objectively bad
you're free to find him fun, but that's just how it is, malzahar is objectively bad design
i think u misunderstand what i mean by identity, the things u mention are definitely qualities of velkoz but not really defining traits, or at least not so that they make him stand out or unique. notice how u use the word "bit" a lot, he's got a bit of utility, a bit of true dmg, etc.
compare him to lissandra, who's a low range mage but with a very telegraphed engage move and incredible cc if she manages to land it. that's something no other mid does, there may be some overlaps with diana or something, but the difference is still very noticeable
i just think the passive might be something "unique" about him but not something that really makes him unique. that's kind of a dumb sentence but what i mean is that while the true dmg shit might be something only he does, it's not something that makes him stand out from others in the way that maybe vayne's w is. like vayne's a champion that's a tank buster and is constructed around that w, she doesn't have any long range spells or anything, just different ways to get to proccing that w
meanwhile velkoz is just another mage with a bit less magic damage and some true dmg to compensate. you wouldn't pick him against a tank him and he's just as good against squishies as he is against tanks
only thing passive does is define his role as a poke mage because it rewards landing multiple spells, but his dmg is also so crazy that he can burst you just the same in one combo
yeah i dunno what that's about either. i guess he needs the aids to clear or whatever?
both spells suck
just makes them a bit more explosive i guess and is pretty decent buff to poke if it's on cunning or ferocity
that's a weird change, i feel like i'm ok with homeguard tp getting killed since we already had our fun with it for a whole season. now's time for the game to be better balanced i guess
that's such a huge early game difference, i don't like that idea at all, it just seems like you'll be winning through stats if u do go for that mastery
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i like zed
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u called him poo
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