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League of Legends |OT12| No more Lyte, just darkness.
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Dreams-Visions
Member
dat silent confirmation ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
PhillipCostigan
Member
I love when I get Kled in the on-stage playtests :^)
Sr Kitsune
Member
Same, it's scary.
PhillipCostigan
Member
it's the same with every new champion, people will attempt to force it into a position it's not good in. Ivern is undertuned, but when he's balanced I still don't expect him to be a good support.
He's an AP jungler. 70% AP ratio on his shield is big, and he needs AP to do something in combat situations despite him being supportive.
He's an AP jungler. 70% AP ratio on his shield is big, and he needs AP to do something in combat situations despite him being supportive.
SenorArdilla
Member
Yeah. Ivern is super janky. Just don't build him tanky.
Stone Ocean
Member
Plus Daisy scales with AP
PhillipCostigan
Member
yeah, she becomes much stronger with AP. Her health, armour, MR and damage all scale off your AP.
Also we just hotfixed Ivern with buffs:
speaking of, he just got hotfix buffed (lol)
HP per level increased 74 > 90
Base MR increased 30 > 32.1
Base AS increased .625 > .644
edit: f u costy
Reivaxe
Member
I want them to just accept Ivern as a trash champ designed for selective comps.
Maybe someone will make a comp around his bushes and Qs with a team of melee champs designed to just jump onto anything he lands a Q on.
PhillipCostigan
Member
zzzzz
imagine calling a new champ a trash champ after a couple of days on live, especially considering how unique he is.
as usual people will say it's trash until someone plays it well and then it'll be the most broken thing ever
we shall wait and see.
SenorArdilla
Member
The only thing he really has going for him is his weird jungle path and sharing buffs.
Dobkeratops
OT Hard Carry
ivern is awesome
i hope i see more of him often (on the opposite team)
i hope i see more of him often (on the opposite team)
Pretty much the cycle for every damn new champ.
I still remember Illaoi went like "it's trash!" to "It's too OP! BAN BAN BAN!" to "she's just some champ".
Reivaxe
Member
IMO if you have to buff a champ right after release you're saying it's kinda grabo and needs help at the LEASE.
I'll stand by my trash statement like I did with the earth bender until they had a "no shit" moment and buffed her in the rights ways to make her work. (Then they decided she worked too well so now we're here)
Stone Ocean
Member
But that's the point, the small change Taliyah got pushed her into broken territory, maybe if Riot waited till people how to play her they wouldn't have needed to buff her at all
Ivern is considered garbage, doesn't mean people won't find some way to make him work, buffs or not.
Orochinagis
Member
As far as I remember After Illaoi the new champs are kinda bad at release. They get buffed afterwards
I'd also like to know this.
Also is it worth getting Ardent and Locket since they have the same Unique therefore wasting an effect?
Also also it never gets old seeing self-titled "Plat V smurfs" getting mad at me because "retard you suck kys xd"
Well hey man, you could quit wimping out and go back to your "Main" account where you're le Plat pro~
oh wait... that doesn't exist.
And I know it's way too trigger-happy, but I wish anyone who said kys in-game/at post chat (not chatting with their friends, in other words) would get banned for 24 right then and there
I'd be so happy you don't even know
BreezyLimbo
Banned
It's amazing I haven't called him trash yet. I called Fiona trash, after all.
PhillipCostigan
Member
still Breezy's finest moment
proclaim Fiora to be trash
Fiora is really strong
continue to defend his assertion that she would be trash
then complain about swain skins
the breezy life :^)
Ivern is way below what you'd expect out of a new champ. It's perfectly normal to see low win rates on new champions and reworks (hell, if you look at win% vs. games played even lots of strong champions start out at ~45%) but at just a shade over 30%, Ivern is a rare case.
As far as the buffs go, bringing his health to be up more in line with other melee champions is a start. That's one of the issues I identified. There's a blurb in there by Scruffy that Daisy's AI is also being looked at as well, so there's a second issue. That's all nice, but the most important one that has to be addressed is the brutal level 4-12(ish) hp and mana costs for his passive. It absolutely kills him and makes him a liability during a point of the game where - as a support - he should be able to significantly influence the game.
Ivern has some fantastic things going for him, brush creation, enabling a gap closer for all allied champions, a 3s 70% AoE slow on a 4.8s CD at max CDR. There's a diamond in that dirt but fuck me there's a lot of dirt.
well i remember a certain somebody throwing a fit over a certain adc getting a range nerf with massive compensations :>
but what about Shrek
taliyah actually needed a buff, problem is rito just did like 3 in a row including a massively misguided one
then nerfed her in the worst possible way showing that they learned really little about what made her op and what made her weak before
speaking of
just played my first taliyah game since the last round of nerfs
she's complete garbage now
or... :^)
more boosted than natoto's lock ins :^)
Peanut Butter
Member
Naota's probably lost 2 divisions worth of LP this season if his lock-in skills carry over to ranked queues. #noob
Peanut Butter
Member
I'll be ready for some clown fiestas tomorrow.
Dr. Buni
Member
Full attack speed is the only way to play Lulu.
I'm so doing this tomorrow after just learning that her Whimsy carries an Attack Speed boost now. I just jumped back into the game and never bothered to read over skills again since "I know what they do". =|
I can blame any losses on "the NeoGAF poster" and nobody will know what is being said
BreezyLimbo
Banned
fite me 1v1
Troubled Bat
Member
I still want to do this!! But the grind!!!
Reivaxe
Member
What exactly are they trying to do with rylai crystal scepter?
If it's too strong then why not return it back to how it was before it was a basic buy on almost all mid mages? Is it because it's one of the highest AP items in the game now and they don't wanna make a replacement fat ap item?
In other news, been playing Annie and I like her. Still can't CS for shit with her but I like her.
If it's too strong then why not return it back to how it was before it was a basic buy on almost all mid mages? Is it because it's one of the highest AP items in the game now and they don't wanna make a replacement fat ap item?
In other news, been playing Annie and I like her. Still can't CS for shit with her but I like her.
well no one bought rylais before they made it good so that's not a "good item" either
i think the cdr idea is legit, have to trade zhonyas/abyssal for rylais is pretty good, and mages should not get tankiness so smoothly into their builds
Reivaxe
Member
I use to buy it sometimes on Diana back when all I played was Diana...
As for competed with Aby and Zhonyas ... I never build either so I guess I'm not cut out for this discussion.
(Mainly cause I've found that when I have a Zhonyas and use it my team wouldn't peel for me. But that was a long time ago so ehh)
Edit- I DO build ZHG actually ... on Karth and Kennen the few times I played them. Outside of that, nope :/
Stone Ocean
Member
Rylai's slow applies on Ivern's brush autos. That's pretty nice lol
Yep. Earliest evidence is that Rylai's is a significantly better buy on him than RoA which is the recommended item (and dragging Ivern's win rate numbers down as a result). He doesn't need the mana from RoA, definitely doesn't want to wait 10 minutes to fully charge it, and makes very poor use of RoA's passive. Also dragging down his win rates is all the players maxing Q first - max E first seems stronger.
Currently it's looking like Rylais and Runic Echoes are core items. His follow-up items are where, to me, it gets tricky. Even with the hotfix buff to his health I don't see Ivern as building straight tank. There's just no point to it.
I'm starting to think another problem with Ivern is that when he dies, so does Daisy. Making Daisy continue on owner death like every other ultimate summoned pet, at the very least for a certain amount of time after death, would go a long way to making Ivern feel way better to play.
SenorArdilla
Member
Daisy needs a revenge mechanic.
Stone Ocean
Member
Yeah, Daisy just immediatly disappearing is fucking lame.
Dom was spamming him, he basically goes Cinderhulk into Rylai's/Abyssal and other AP stuff and it looks pretty decent. He maxes EWQ.
I thought of using Cinderhulk too, but I think Runic Echoes will end up being the preferred choice. Even went built tanky, I don't think Ivern wants to get in melee range. On top of that, Ivern's kit basically says I want to win the game early, and then use my utility to keep my team on top.