BreezyLimbo
Banned
I liked Yorick after his rework even more than his previous form
So
Look costy, all I'm saying is Swain needs a Crow resource system.
Hm
Rito should implement a way to turn off chat in total.
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I liked Yorick after his rework even more than his previous form
So
Look costy, all I'm saying is Swain needs a Crow resource system.
Hm
Rito should implement a way to turn off chat in total.
killatopak
Gold Member
I have it.
how long did it take you?
PhillipCostigan
Member
they're ravens breezy cmon
and yeah, if I was reworking Swain it would be all about him and his ravens. So much potential there. I should go back to coming up with Swain kits.
The main thematic hook I was going for with him was 'ravenmancer'. Less 'dude that turns into a bird' and more fearsome general that commands a murderous flock of ravens to do his bidding. Narrative hook was along the lines of "the sight of a raven made even the most secret of meetings amongst Noxus' seedy societies and groups fall silent, for they knew Grand General Swain's eyes and ears were present"
It's just about finding the kit to go with that...
and yeah, if I was reworking Swain it would be all about him and his ravens. So much potential there. I should go back to coming up with Swain kits.
The main thematic hook I was going for with him was 'ravenmancer'. Less 'dude that turns into a bird' and more fearsome general that commands a murderous flock of ravens to do his bidding. Narrative hook was along the lines of "the sight of a raven made even the most secret of meetings amongst Noxus' seedy societies and groups fall silent, for they knew Grand General Swain's eyes and ears were present"
It's just about finding the kit to go with that...
killatopak
Gold Member
I think it took me 15 boxes. 3 boxes I got normally and I bought a bundle for 11 boxes. Then I bought another chest cause I have an extra key and Hextech Annie was inside. I still have to buy it using essence though so it took me another bundle to get the necessary essence so it's probably around 20+ boxes.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Got you covered fam. When you present this to riot just tell them I made it and then like, hook me up as the lead swain designer
Of course you might not like his ulti but whatever
Well it's either that
Or he gets a giant raven that fights for him. Kinda like mordes dragon. And like....like this pet giant Raven will have his own Ravens to stack onto swains passive while he's active...and he can shoot laser beams from his eyes.
Stone Ocean
Member
And you wanted to use some dumb handle like Riot Rengar or something, for shame
MrCookiepants
Member
has Riot said anything lately about ARAM? Summoner spell variety is pathetic. Every game 9/10 players is using flash/snowball. Why is this okay? It's the only "for fun" mode we have 24/7 access to and it's been in this garbage state for so long.
Sr Kitsune
Member
I still remember when snowball didn't exist, so many champions I really really didn't want to play with in ARAM.
Hydrophobic
Member
Flash is over-represented in every game mode. Snowball is so useful in ARAM and it makes a bunch of immobile champs actually viable in that game mode. Galio is actually not garbage in ARAM thanks to snowball. Also, I see heal/clarity in ARAM with regularity and I personally take exhaust sometimes. The only spell I never consider in ARAM anymore is ignite.
Stone Ocean
Member
Why is it not okay? How would having other spells used change ARAM in any way besides making melee champions worse?
I think that all melee comps in ARAM absolutely sucks even with ARAM cuz everyone can just flash away... It's sort of hard to deal with it pre-6 and even post 6 really cuz sometimes the enemy just get that far ahead in exp. I'd like a summoner spell that helps alleviate this a bit.
It super triggered me. If I read the old threads I realize I used to be a much better poster. Sorry guys. I'll try to step it up.
It's okay. The quality is still about the same. =P
On another note, having watched this person. Omg. the feels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4BaD7Ny-wQ
Stone Ocean
Member
Peanut Butter
Member
A step ahead of cataclysm.
you already are
seems like they changed the dagger pickup refunding full cd, now it's only a (big) portion
that seems better
i'm worried about being able to land wherever u want with shunpo
like the half of zed's counterplay that isn't buying zhonyas is charming behind u, and even if that's unreliable as all fuck because bugs/instant turn rate/whatever, at least it's something u can predict
instant jump with no tell of where she'll land is not something i'm super into
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Im all for insta jump
I mean in real life an assassin wouldnt be telling you they were trying to kill you
So why would Kat tell people where she jumped
I mean in real life an assassin wouldnt be telling you they were trying to kill you
So why would Kat tell people where she jumped
PhillipCostigan
Member
it was always a big portion, never the full cooldown.
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btw breezy
minor inven buffs on pbe
if he's played in competitive now does this mean breezy is a prophet
anyways, i feel like from kits alone it's very hard to tell if assassins will be less frustrating to play against, as well as if any of them will be a tiny bit more desirable to have in ur team
think of it as a long range mobility tool similar to aurelion sol e
minor inven buffs on pbe
if he's played in competitive now does this mean breezy is a prophet
idk, lux tells u where she's pointing her laser and lux is very much totally trying to murder u :>
i could've sworn
anyways, i feel like from kits alone it's very hard to tell if assassins will be less frustrating to play against, as well as if any of them will be a tiny bit more desirable to have in ur team
zero
think of it as a long range mobility tool similar to aurelion sol e
Stone Ocean
Member
Kat's CD reduction scales with levels. Early on it refunds 80% of the CD and late game 96% which is basically all the CD without letting you shunpo twice by mistake.
i feel assassins are very up in the air
i'm not sure if any of them got much counterplay injected to em, talon not having an insta-gapcloser is nice, and kat seems to have to work a bit more to get her dmg out, but it's really hard to tell for me atm
i also feel like maw is still very desirable on assassins which is very sucky
we'll see, i just wanna spam leblanc already
i'm not sure if any of them got much counterplay injected to em, talon not having an insta-gapcloser is nice, and kat seems to have to work a bit more to get her dmg out, but it's really hard to tell for me atm
i also feel like maw is still very desirable on assassins which is very sucky
we'll see, i just wanna spam leblanc already
also i bet there's a really cool leblanc concept somewhere that is like a doto champion that just creates clones on every spell for reals
like w creates a clone in her returning position and u can move that clone and swap places with it as long as it's not killed. or when you e it creates another leblanc that chains em and u gotta control em both and shit
it wouldn't work in league but i would so want to see something like that lol
also
mastery updates: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/road-pre-season-mastery-updates
all star voting that for some reason still has deft and pawn and mata in lpl, yellowstar as fnatic's support and whatnot: http://www.lolesports.com/en_US/all-star/vote
i voted for madlife and shy because fuck u ogn for killing my dreams
like w creates a clone in her returning position and u can move that clone and swap places with it as long as it's not killed. or when you e it creates another leblanc that chains em and u gotta control em both and shit
it wouldn't work in league but i would so want to see something like that lol
also
mastery updates: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/road-pre-season-mastery-updates
all star voting that for some reason still has deft and pawn and mata in lpl, yellowstar as fnatic's support and whatnot: http://www.lolesports.com/en_US/all-star/vote
i voted for madlife and shy because fuck u ogn for killing my dreams
BreezyLimbo
Banned
costy what do you think about my swain
@_@
"But breezy, you're wrong, you're always wrong, don't talk about League balance"
I'll take my salt
Stone Ocean
Member
I guess vote is based on the 2016 Season not where the players are now
They're super minor shit to make him feel better to play. You're still wrong, specially when you said Ivern would only be viable if they overtuned his numbers.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Well, we have yet to see if he's viable at all in competitive play as a mainstay pick
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I only bet for skins
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n Ivern, I did say if he got buffed through overtuning(And specifically numbers) so my bet with drawkcaB still holdsthe mastery changes are interesting
i like this fresh blood mastery although feast is probably just gonna be better in most cases (fresh blood might be super good in ranged vs melee)
double edged sword being tier 4 is kind of interesting, specially since it's 5% now, which is a lot on the champions i like taking it on like lux, so i'll probably shit to that tho...
bounty hunter being 1.5% is pretty big buff to it, so idk, that looks really good. it's an interesting tradeoff cos while you're probably gonna kill everyone once at one point in the game, it might not be at a time where it's useful, and at 1.5% i might have to start paying more attention to doing the right kind of roams so i can get it as quickly as possible
oppressor being removed is kind of a bummer but i didn't take that on anyone except lizzy and i don't even play lizzy anymore so who cares
battle trance is like, whatever for mids, by second 5 i'm already out of cooldowns so who cares lol
i like this fresh blood mastery although feast is probably just gonna be better in most cases (fresh blood might be super good in ranged vs melee)
double edged sword being tier 4 is kind of interesting, specially since it's 5% now, which is a lot on the champions i like taking it on like lux, so i'll probably shit to that tho...
bounty hunter being 1.5% is pretty big buff to it, so idk, that looks really good. it's an interesting tradeoff cos while you're probably gonna kill everyone once at one point in the game, it might not be at a time where it's useful, and at 1.5% i might have to start paying more attention to doing the right kind of roams so i can get it as quickly as possible
oppressor being removed is kind of a bummer but i didn't take that on anyone except lizzy and i don't even play lizzy anymore so who cares
battle trance is like, whatever for mids, by second 5 i'm already out of cooldowns so who cares lol
Yeah, it creates this weird dynamic where 1. ranged is oppressively favored 2. champions with massive AOE ults are also oppressively favored because their inability to gap close doesn't matter anymore.
There's nothing more triggering than outplaying a ranged champion in ARAM and oh his flash is up because the cooldown is like 2.5 minutes so you have like a minute window where that crap is down and your ult is up. And then you get double exhausted because exhausting a melee is a million times easier than exhausting a ranged champion and you have no recourse as a melee once you're sitting on top of them.
Just bring back the old cooldowns, the shorter ones were well intentioned but had the opposite effect of what they were hoping to accomplish. Protobelt also exists now, so if they really want mobility there you go.
I only bet for skins
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Don't recall ever taking that bet...
yeah it's crazy. especially since i don't think that even includes youtube revenue. he used to let 2ndSequence keep all the youtube revenue until recently, where it started make a lot more than it did when they had their previous agreement and now they split it.
Sigismundo
Member
I'm down for Breezy's Swain rework. I miss TF and Panth's old ults.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Oh well then
I had said I would offer a mystery gift if he became competitively used, no stakes on your part >_>
Fine with me.
PhillipCostigan
Member
eerily similar to a version I sent to our lead designer for feedback in august, which I guess means we're aligned with some goals for the kit.
quick feedback:
Keeping Nevermove is good since it's like the best part of his kit.
Your E is pretty much the same as the one I came up with, but both yours and mine are grossly OP from a vision standpoint. Try ganking that guy top lane. I tried to mitigate mine by designing the Q to be based on the ravens you placed. So you'd pull placed ravens to you and use them to attack the enemy, so you're at least making a tradeoff between defensive vision/protection for offense, but ultimately it's still kinda crazy. Also it has a missing button feeling. Pretty uninteresting cast paradigm, overall boring ability to use. Probably needs a passive attached or something to feel like an impactful spell (think Kalista W as a good example)
Especially when you combine it with your ult, which is like "what if Fiddlesticks ult was just better". I like the underlying idea of better windowing his sustain (assuming that you wanted to give him less frequent windows of higher impact sustain) but the range on that thing is crazy for the power and still don't like him turning into a raven and just having a giant raven would be weird as shit.
His passive and Q are also just like a more annoying version of his current E and Q lol. I don't ever want to play against that. Also passive has the same issues as live Swain's E where % damage multiplier is just kind of boring and bad design. I'd rather have better, higher impact base abilities than have them essentially gimped because of a damage amp passive. Like, it might as well not exist.
So, I guess to sum it up you arrived at pretty much the same point as me (except I had an ult that worked too I guess): W is a cool spell that should stay, and less frequent window of high sustain is probably a better way of having him still be some sort of drain tank thing without being grossly oppressive. Also lots of ravens is better.
otherwise you need to go back to the drawing board.
i still think making swain not turn into a raven is a really dumb idea since that's the only cool thing about him
i kind of wonder if a cool mechanic for him to feel like a strategy master would be to also turn nearby allies into "ravens" that sustain him and themselves for a % of their dmg dealt or something (lower % for healing themselves, higher for healing swain). maybe will that spell is on cd he can target someone to get extra dmg from his ravens, something like that
something like a weird raven flock tactician thing
i kind of wonder if a cool mechanic for him to feel like a strategy master would be to also turn nearby allies into "ravens" that sustain him and themselves for a % of their dmg dealt or something (lower % for healing themselves, higher for healing swain). maybe will that spell is on cd he can target someone to get extra dmg from his ravens, something like that
something like a weird raven flock tactician thing