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Symmetra.
PhillipCostigan
Member
was always gonna happen. Most of the released characters will get changes in the future I'd wager, starting with the most egregious ones. Launch characters will always have design flaws exposed after some time released on live servers. Will take Blizzard time to figure out what good and bad design is in Overwatch, their design philosophies will need to mature.
come on, really?
come on, really?
Stone Ocean
Member
It's a lot easier when only one of your heroes sucks enough to warrant a rework.
Hydrophobic
Member
Thank goodness. I like her now, but she just doesn't feel viable in competitive outside of very specific situations.
Winston?
Yeah. And I just learnt that he has to use a gun to fire lightning like a pleb.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Stone Ocean
Member
This is why your favourite champions don't get skins
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I've cosigned to my fate that riot will never make dragon master swain
it gives me power
She needs true damage in her kit to damage tanks, she's got nothing else that can do that. I mean, it's that or putting %health damage in her kit, gotta have one. Yup. One.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Stone Ocean
Member
Rylai's will be cheaper, give less stats and slow only for 20% on all spell types.
Really not fond of this thing still working on DoTs but eh, I'll take the greatly reduced slow on shit like Syndra and Viktor
Really not fond of this thing still working on DoTs but eh, I'll take the greatly reduced slow on shit like Syndra and Viktor
%Health damage on long cooldowns isn't meant to damage tanks, it's meant to control how much damage you can do.
a nerf was necessary but i kind of feel like that makes rylais worthless since it'll have bad slot efficiency and 20% slow is not very useful cosnidering it doesn't stack with regular slows
it might still be core on viktor or cassi, idk
Black-Wind
Member
Camille doesn't seem like an assassin to me, she's a 1v1 fighter like Fiora, Jax and Irelia who are all good at fucking up just about anyone after a few items from what I can tell. And going in that vain means you can 1v1 tanks and carries alike provided you can get ontop of them and not be CC locked to hell.
So yeah, Camille kills whatever Camille damn well wants and not afraid of nothing.
PhillipCostigan
Member
that's the point, you're trading slot efficiency for it. It's too ubiquitous right now and the passive is so strong that you should trade slot efficiency for it, similar to Protobelt etc. So if you want the slow, you don't get a super efficient powerful item
pretty much, and unlike the vast majority of assassins she has to lane against tanks
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Edit: Camille livestream starting now where you can go moan at Jeevun if you want
(actually don't Jeevun is really nice)
nerfing slot efficiency would be just nerfing the stats
since you're nerfing both stats and the slow i feel it's not slot inefficient, it's just a bad item
idk how much it's being nerfed by so i can't talk specifics, that's just my impressions without having seen the numbers
It doesn't have to become stupid. It very well might become stupid, but there's surely numbers that make if fine.
Stone Ocean
Member
Get fucked, kitty
I wonder if that's enough to fix Rengar right now.
Stone Ocean
Member
Probably not but removing a good chunk of AD from his snowballing is a good start
Now, time to glare at that stupid fucking guaranteed crit until it's gone.
Rengar is a really broken laner in 3s.
Also watching this stream and yeah Camille is really strong. Gnar jumped on her at full health, got 2 Q's, a W, an ult, got her down to a third health, and she just turned it around on him and would have won had Gnar not run away. Her Q is absolutely bonkers.
Also watching this stream and yeah Camille is really strong. Gnar jumped on her at full health, got 2 Q's, a W, an ult, got her down to a third health, and she just turned it around on him and would have won had Gnar not run away. Her Q is absolutely bonkers.
Orochinagis
Member
At least it wont take years compared to LoL, Symmetra is super situational and useles after you lose the first point,
Add the support for desert later. Camille will be super annoying for Bot lane and Mid lane,
BreezyLimbo
Banned
ryze gets like a yearly rework
Holy fuck I just saw the cancer that is Autofill is enabled at all times. What cunt thought that was a good idea? If they're gonna fuck people over like that, they should at least make it so you're guaranteed your primary role after you auto fill and for more than 2 games, that's just fucking idiotic.
exactly
You find me that one champion that had an overloaded kit and didn't end up becoming a problem. Sadly, past precedence says your faith is misplaced.
Let's turn the thinking around; how many champions haven't become a problem at one point or another whether their kit is overloaded or not? Even the simplest champs have been problems at one point.
honestly it's ridiculous blizzard released symmetra in her state
her e is arguably the least inspired ability i've ever seen in any game in my life
it's never gonna feel good to be oneshot by an invisible superfast asshole that can't even miss
you can make him shit with tuning, and that's what riot should do since fuck rengar, but then you have to come up with a good design to replace his current one
rengar design being left untouched is one of those really confusing things about riot designers, like calling shyvana a cool champion, and shit. these are really bad stat-checky, uninteractive, onedimensional champions
also they already guarantee your primary/secondary if you autofill, what else do you want
support annie was a problem. malzahar was a problem. shyvana was a problem. toplane warwick was a problem.
i agree that overloaded kits are frustrating and not very elegant, but there's always more elements at play
her e is arguably the least inspired ability i've ever seen in any game in my life
that's sort of the idea, yeah
rengar is never gonna be fixed because the issue will always be with his design, not with his tuning
it's never gonna feel good to be oneshot by an invisible superfast asshole that can't even miss
you can make him shit with tuning, and that's what riot should do since fuck rengar, but then you have to come up with a good design to replace his current one
rengar design being left untouched is one of those really confusing things about riot designers, like calling shyvana a cool champion, and shit. these are really bad stat-checky, uninteractive, onedimensional champions
i think you're being the asshole here
also they already guarantee your primary/secondary if you autofill, what else do you want
all champions are a problem eventually
support annie was a problem. malzahar was a problem. shyvana was a problem. toplane warwick was a problem.
i agree that overloaded kits are frustrating and not very elegant, but there's always more elements at play
Stone Ocean
Member
The only champion in the game that has never been a problem is Velkoz and maybe Kled but he's pretty close lol
which is funny cos he's always been broken af
Well, there's also Nami. The list is very empty though.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
That's because he actually takes skill to play. He's an immobile skill-shot based character who can die in 5 seconds if you're good enough.
Champions that have never really been a problem/broken and are just there-
Amumu
Braum
Malphite
Nasus
Wukong
These champions have all never been broken, they don't have overloaded kits, and coincidentally I like to play them all.
Stone Ocean
Member
He's broken in the same way Xerath was broken when he got reworked
No one plays him so no one cares
Oh yeah, Nami was never really a problem outside of a couple short lived competitive metas
Say what now
Amumu - pick or ban in early competitive play, Curse of the Sad Bullet Time fucked everything up, full AP Grenade Amumu destroyed solo Q for a while way back in the day
Braum - pick or ban at launch, pretty much zero counterplay because if you as much touched his ult you were dead regardless of being knocked up or not because the slow linged on forever, damage on passive made playing against stuff like Lucian + Braum suicidal
Malphite - Broken initiator in S1/early S2, also broken when he got a recent minor rework to Brutal Strikes that he got nerfed in like a patch or two
Nasus - Was a top tier jungler in S3, obnoxious top laner once people figured out regen builds which made stopping him from scaling pretty much impossible so they had to nerf Wither by fucking half to stop his jungling and nerf his lifesteal so he could be harassed out of lane
Wukong - Top tier jungler in S4, nerfed hard
Peanut Butter
Member
You'll be glaring for a while then because I doubt they'll ever get rid of that.
FTFY =)
Hydrophobic
Member
I see at least two parts of bronzodia in that list.
Braum was completely broken on release,nasus had that time as broken when he was in the jungle and when they needed to gut his w. Maybe those two times were the same.
Even at the time she was in the competitive meta, it wasn't like she was pick ban or broken or anything. She's gotten nerfed once, and that was one second cooldown on her W and 5 less movespeed. The nerf was mainly because other top tier supports were getting nerfed so she got a preemptive nerf so she wouldn't become a problem.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Nasus was never overloaded like Azir or Ekko though, where he required multiple nerfs over multiple patches.
And Braum, I don't really remember him being broken.
Stone Ocean
Member
Braum was nerfed every other patch after he was released in S4
He was really really really really really broken
PhillipCostigan
Member
was in the case of being an ADC. Camille wanted to get to the Vayne, but couldn't because the Braum hugged her the entire time, allowed the Vayne to deal damage and prevented Camille from hitting the short range R on Vayne when she dived in.
aka don't split push against Camille as an AD, and if your support plays the fight well Camille struggles to lock priority targets down. Also has to use her mobility to enter the fight and you can block her E2 with your body.
My primary role more than I get it atm. Why play a game if I'm not having fun? Just give us an option to increase our queue times by like an hour in return for our primary role 100% of the time. I'd happily pick that.
PhillipCostigan
Member
yeah we'll see how long you last with that
Orochinagis
Member
Then the support dies