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League of Legends |OT12| No more Lyte, just darkness.

zkylon

zkylewd
Syndra
Unleashed Power (R) 70/115/160 from 90/135/180
[This puts the minimum damage 210/345/480 from 270/405/540]
this is an acceptable nerf i guess

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if she had a stored charge system, a 5 second cd wouldnt be that bad.(as in, lets say she holds 3/4/5 charges on her ult, they each have a 20 second charge timer, and a cd of 5 per charge)
you're just saying random stuff

what is there to be fixed with her ult being on a charge system

now think how much you're breaking by giving her an always-on dash
 
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if she had a stored charge system, a 5 second cd wouldnt be that bad.(as in, lets say she holds 3/4/5 charges on her ult, they each have a 20 second charge timer, and a cd of 5 per charge)



Hrmm. Sounds broken.

Before you nerf Ahri ult, please take a look at Akali ult., thanks.

(I don't want them to nerf Ahri. And I couldn't care less about Akali even if I tried)
 

zkylon

zkylewd
i really hope they add a ping indicator to the new client

entering a game only to have terrible ping and packet loss is the worst

edit: since we're doing new client feedback

while typing a report if you hit enter now it sends the report instead of actually doing a linebreak. that's bad if you're trying to write more than one sentence and it just caused me to send an incomplete report. it's also inconsistent with how it worked on the old client
 

zkylon

zkylewd
it's not about nerfing ahri

it's about like really random changes without even thinking about their purpose

edit: btw about that last game with high ping. it also featured an all diamond team on the other side, with a master yasuo, against my team that had an amumu that started wraiths and a nami that decided she was gonna troll cos ezreal didn't autoattack enough. a ping indicator would save so many lives
 

Leezard

Member
I'm going to push into semantics here, but a broken champion isn't an overpowered champion. Braum was overpowered on release, big difference. His strengths and weaknesses are identifiable and so balancing him is fairly straight forward.

I wonder if I should drop any pretense of making a rounded jungle pool and just play bruisers there. Even when I play tanks I still play them more as bruisers.
We had a feeling about what his strengths and weaknesses should be, but he absolutely lacked those weaknesses at launch. How weaknesses now is that he's weak against poke and has a kinda bad engage. At launch Braum could poke back or just threaten an all in at any time since he had high damage and had a reasonable engage.
That's why he was broken.
 

Xeilyn

Member
Shyvana feels pretty good right now. I managed to solo dragon lvl 4 at 4:30 into the game, im not even a good jungler so you can probably shave off some seconds and come out more healthy than i did
 

Calvero

Banned
it's not about nerfing ahri

it's about like really random changes without even thinking about their purpose

edit: btw about that last game with high ping. it also featured an all diamond team on the other side, with a master yasuo, against my team that had an amumu that started wraiths and a nami that decided she was gonna troll cos ezreal didn't autoattack enough. a ping indicator would save so many lives

nothing wrong with starting wraiths. starting that camp is the quickest way to level 6. especially with amumu and the way his e functions.
 

Leezard

Member
it's not about nerfing ahri

it's about like really random changes without even thinking about their purpose

edit: btw about that last game with high ping. it also featured an all diamond team on the other side, with a master yasuo, against my team that had an amumu that started wraiths and a nami that decided she was gonna troll cos ezreal didn't autoattack enough. a ping indicator would save so many lives

nothing wrong with starting wraiths. starting that camp is the quickest way to level 6. especially with amumu and the way his e functions.

Hell, starting wraiths is the best for several of the best jungle routes.
 

killatopak

Gold Member
I've seen a lot of streamers/youtubers start blue and skip gromp to go to wolves. Are gromps not worth killing now?

Also is coc still preferred for junglers like hec? Wanna abuse it while it's still strong.
 

jerd

Member
I've seen a lot of streamers/youtubers start blue and skip gromp to go to wolves. Are gromps not worth killing now?

Also is coc still preferred for junglers like hec? Wanna abuse it while it's still strong.

Yes. Basically if you can activate it you take it. There are a couple of exceptions but it really seems like the jungle tiers right now are colossus junglers =top and non colossus junglers=not top. I would even consider it on someone like shyvana just to get the shield with her ult
 

Nev

Banned
People complaining about Syndra ult now? Lol that shit has been broken from release. I failed every skillshot? Meh whatever let's just press R.

One of the most cancerigenous abilities in the game. Karthus R is the most healthy ultimate ever in comparison. At least you can interrupt that shit and you have more than 0.5 seconds to counter its effects.

I laugh everytime someone says "syndra is hard".
 
People complaining about Syndra ult now? Lol that shit has been broken from release. I failed every skillshot? Meh whatever let's just press R.

One of the most cancerigenous abilities in the game. Karthus R is the most healthy ultimate ever in comparison. At least you can interrupt that shit and you have more than 0.5 seconds to counter its effects.

I laugh everytime someone says "syndra is hard".
Before you couldn't one shot someone with just your ult unless you were incredibly fed.

Now Syndra can easily set up 7 balls and Thunderlords exist so whatever skillcap it had was burned to the ground.
 

TheFlow

Banned
New shyv is awesome.

Love the new E! If your team does dragons early like mine did not can easily have a stronger earlier game.

We won of course
 

Talents

Banned
I think I'm gonna try and learn jungle again for my secondary role. Anyone have any good videos or guides on how to play the new jungle and how to play jungle in general?
 

zkylon

zkylewd
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massive chest

also
some rioter said:
The live balance team is going to be monitoring champions and their performance post Rylai's removal.
even riot knows those nerfs are making rylais useless lol
 

drawkcaB

Member
We had a feeling about what his strengths and weaknesses should be, but he absolutely lacked those weaknesses at launch. How weaknesses now is that he's weak against poke and has a kinda bad engage. At launch Braum could poke back or just threaten an all in at any time since he had high damage and had a reasonable engage.
That's why he was broken.

That's not what broken means with respect to champ design. You've gone full reddit/twitch chat and taken a specific design term Riot uses for certain champions and applied it too broadly. Same thing happened to the term toxic.

Braum's kit is among the healthiest in the game. Kits don't become healthy through balancing, it's something innate to the kit. A kit is either various degrees of healthy or broken irrespective of that champions present performance.

Top Ekko was broken when his win rate was above 53%. Top Ekko is still broken now that his win rate is closer to 48%. Mid Ekko was broken when his win rate was 48%. Mid Ekko is still broken now that his win rate is closer to 51%. Ekko could have a 30% win rate in all roles, doesn't matter, the kit is fundamentally broken.


I think I'm gonna try and learn jungle again for my secondary role. Anyone have any good videos or guides on how to play the new jungle and how to play jungle in general?

Check out foxdrop's channel on youtube, and also his secondary channel "Foxdrop plays". Valkrin is good for twitch streamers. If you can stand him and he's not streaming with others, I Will Dominate is good too because he actually does offer good insights when he feels like it. Stay away from Nightblue3. He's just a non-stop smurfing meme spewing idiot these days, sadly.
 

Leezard

Member
That's not what broken means with respect to champ design. You've gone full reddit/twitch chat and taken a specific design term Riot uses for certain champions and applied it too broadly. Same thing happened to the term toxic.

Braum's kit is among the healthiest in the game. Kits don't become healthy through balancing, it's something innate to the kit. A kit is either various degrees of healthy or broken irrespective of that champions present performance.

Top Ekko was broken when his win rate was above 53%. Top Ekko is still broken now that his win rate is closer to 48%. Mid Ekko was broken when his win rate was 48%. Mid Ekko is still broken now that his win rate is closer to 51%. Ekko could have a 30% win rate in all roles, doesn't matter, the kit is fundamentally broken.




Check out foxdrop's channel on youtube, and also his secondary channel "Foxdrop plays". Valkrin is good for twitch streamers. If you can stand him and he's not streaming with others, I Will Dominate is good too because he actually does offer good insights when he feels like it. Stay away from Nightblue3. He's just a non-stop smurfing meme spewing idiot these days, sadly.
All right, we can move to another word then. I was meaning broken in terms of beyond overpowered. Braum was absolutely beyond overpowered.
 

zkylon

zkylewd
today i saw a picture

felt really compelled to post it here

then decided not to because it was kind of pornographic

i hope y'all are proud of me
 

zkylon

zkylewd
Rylai's Crystal Scepter
Total cost lowered to 2600g from 3200g
Recipe now: Blasting Wand + Amp Tome + Ruby Crystal + gold.
Stats & Effect changes:
+300 Health
+75 Ability Power
UNIQUE Passive: Damaging spells and abilities reduce enemy movement speed by 20% for 1 second.
this is really cheap, but it has bad gold efficiency, really bad slot efficiency and it's all for a pretty weak slow. it also has a really annoying build path since now it doesn't have any big ticket items like nlr or giant's belt and that might make u struggle for item slots while you're holding morellos+boots+pinks+pots

not sure if i'd call it trash yet cos it's dirt cheap and it might make some champions spike really quick but first impression is that this item is gonna be useless on anyone except like singed or something

also saw a bit of camille gameplay on pbe, does her ult really make her untargeteable for a bit? also her cooldowns look disgustingly short, so i'm on the breezy train of this champion is gonna be broken

hope they tune that stuff down (seriously why does she have to turn untageteable wtf -___-), i don't think the champion is all bad as the e looks super fun and she doesn't seem as bursty as like irelia or something, but yipes, i don't look forward to playing against her
 
they should just remove rylais

if it becomes an item that isn't worth a slot nor the slots, then it becomes a noob trap.

also saw a bit of camille gameplay on pbe, does her ult really make her untargeteable for a bit? also her cooldowns look disgustingly short, so i'm on the breezy train of this champion is gonna be broken

Like I mentioned

having CDR/scaling runes and building cdr(With triforce that's another what, 20%?) will net her atleast 35%(With the right rune set) meaning her cooldowns will be extremely short. She's gonna be a bad champion. "But tank killer! But assassin killer!" Yes she'll be able to do that and more.

There's a difference between making a character to kill tanks specifically(And usually % damage helps accomplish that, but it gets warped when it also has a base damage.), but having a character that can lock down, jump into a fight, hookshot away/into a spot, and having ridiculous true damage on an ability affected by Sheen is silly.

She's overloaded.

She can do with a trim on some of her abilities(Like, the % damage/heal isn't necessary at all on her W, and there's nothing wrong with it just providing the slow/little damage.), her shield passive seems needlessly complicated for the sake of being complicated(Just have a normal shield, it won't break the game) and her ult is the stupidest thing(Why make it targetted? Just make it a skill shot and whoever it hits/closest to the middle becomes locked, that way it actually has counterplay)
 
Ult does make her untargetable yeah. Not really sure what's the point but it's like a quarter of a second so meh.

Her cooldowns are long at low ranks and okay at max rank - 15ish scaling to 10ish -, only Q gets a short CD - I think it goes from 9 to 6? Something like that. Ult CD is huge at rank 1 but decent at rank 3.
 

zkylon

zkylewd
they should just remove rylais

if it becomes an item that isn't worth a slot nor the slots, then it becomes a noob trap.
i agree but i kind of like the idea of having an item that makes ur abilities cc

i would be kind of interested to see maybe rylais do something like have an active with a big cooldown (60s?) that adds a big slow (maybe 60%->20% or something) to your next spell in exchange for reducing its damage

i kind of really would like the idea of actives like that where you're trading dmg for cc. not sure what i would like the damage reduction to be, i think % promotes using basic abilities while i would kind of like seeing this item used on say lux's ult to create really long range picks

the problem with switching to flat is that it might make this item really good on tanks or something

idk!

i definitely would like to see a cool iteration of rylais in the game

Ult does make her untargetable yeah. Not really sure what's the point but it's like a quarter of a second so meh.

Her cooldowns are long at low ranks and okay at max rank (15ish to 10ish), only Q gets a short CD. Ult CD is huge at rank 1 but decent at rank 3.
yeah things like her ult untargetability are those weird excess of control that i don't really like

i really dislike when champions put you in a position where you're forced into a really passive play pattern because of how freaking difficult to keep up with they are, either because they have a ton of dashes or weird mechanics or whatever

it's the big problem with yasuo, it's just really unfun to play against him cos he has a billion tools while you're properly gated by cooldowns and mana and shit. it's why even tho i think new kat is a pretty big step up, she's also really frustrating to play against, because she's the one that's in full control of the lane

another way of having too much control is stuff like camille that feels like she has like two dozen different things to track and that's just not very fun to play against

compare that to taliyah, who's very telegraphed and simple and cooldown gated and you can see how she's gonna be a lot harder to deal with and balance
 
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