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[zkylon]

I'm all for classes other than adcs being able to take bot

I want League to reach an era where each lane is class agnostic. Jungle is too far gone that it's necessary at this point unfortunately, though, and so are jungle-able champions.

jungle is sort of class agnostic

there's lee sin and zac and kha zix and hecarim and shaco and shit

every lane will trend towards a specific kind of champion and that's healthy because if anything can go wherever that's not interesting either and that's not the gam eleague is

If Riot took away the turret pushing power from ADCs they would risk ADCs not being played anymore lol.

idk way i see it if they open up that stuff then maybe they can make adcs do other shit than only taking turrets

wouldn't that be nice pat?

Balance isn't so bad, toning down the jungle should fix most of the game's current problems.

well i did say balance is pretty ok

 

[BreezyLimbo]

jungle is sort of class agnostic

there's lee sin and zac and kha zix and hecarim and shaco and shit

every lane will trend towards a specific kind of champion and that's healthy because if anything can go wherever that's not interesting either and that's not the game league is

I should've clarified

I want to say there's a 'Jungle Class', champions made to jungle. Lee Sin, Kha'zix, Hecarim, Ivern were all created with the mind of jungling primarily. Older characters like Shaco just happened to be able to go into the jungle due to their tools.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Kha wasn't made a jungler lol, he was only played mid lane at first.

 

[zkylon]

honestly top, mid, jungle and support all have healthy-ish variety of champions

it's unrealistic to want all classes to be played everywhere and it's unrealistic to expect class distribution to be equal, but you see variety in every role (mao, naut, kennen, rumble top - leblanc, syndra, ryze, ori mid - lee sin hecarim inven zac jungle - zyra karma thresh bard whatever support)

adc is the only one that sucks i'd say

i do think that adcs being the #1 at turret taking is fair and healthy but the gap between #1 and #2 could stand to be smaller, maybe, and that'd let other kinds of adcs have their place

like, it's pretty telling if ziggs is good at adc only because he can take turrets quicker than caitlyn or whatever lol

probably more nuance to this discussion than this but i think it'd be interesting

besides the only good adc is mid quinn

 

[iModem]

Just played with someone with the GAF tag, "Lord Newt". Absolutely awful experience, was toxic entire game into post-game. Just leaving my two cents for whoever runs the group.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Just played with someone with the GAF tag, "Lord Newt". Absolutely awful experience, was toxic entire game into post-game. Just leaving my two cents for whoever runs the group.

Lmao

Newt you can't troll gaffers cmon

i do think that adcs being the #1 at turret taking is fair and healthy but the gap between #1 and #2 could stand to be smaller, maybe, and that'd let other kinds of adcs have their place

like, it's pretty telling if ziggs is good at adc only because he can take turrets quicker than caitlyn or whatever lol

Tell you what, you lower that gap but also lower one of the gaps ADCs have with other carry roles as well.

 

[Newt]

Don't worry, your complaints have been heard. I'll get in touch with who's in charge of the group and make sure this person is dealt with.

Lmao

Newt you can't troll gaffers cmon

Tell you what, you lower that gap but also lower one of the gaps ADCs have with other carry roles as well.

Wasn't even trolling, just dropped a few one liners.

 

[Quonny]

Just played with someone with the GAF tag, "Lord Newt". Absolutely awful experience, was toxic entire game into post-game. Just leaving my two cents for whoever runs the group.

i refuse to believe this

 

[BreezyLimbo]

i refuse to believe this

I don't

BRING ON THE DRAMA

hey newt I heard that modem talked shit about your video because of your mic issues. Ooooooh whatchu gonna do.

 

[iModem]

Does he own the tag or something? That was a very annoying person to deal with.

 

[Quonny]

tbf newt's mic is a bigger piece of shit than a feeding yasuo

 

[Newt]

tbf newt's mic is a bigger piece of shit than a feeding yasuo

That's too much man. It's worse than a feeding Riven, but it's still better than a feeding Yasuo.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

it's unrealistic to want all classes to be played everywhere

Nah.

Dota does this just fine. You can play anyone in any lane at any time. Roles can be defined yet completely flexible if the will is there from Riot to move the game to be as such. In that regard, you might be too used to the rigidity of Riot's thinking on this front as they continue to neuter creative playstyles and alternative laning variants.

1-1-1-2 (top, mid, jungle, bot) laning is all we have today but it doesn't have to be the future of League's laning setups and end of lane strategic planning.

Dota makes it work whether 1-1-1-2, 2-1-0-2, 1-2-0-2, 2-1-1-1, 3-1-0-1, 1-1-0-3, and even the opportunity to abandon a lane entirely if need be, turning to roaming or jungling to supplement lost income and XP and being able to be relevant later. And with or without ranged carries. The value this adds to the complexity of the game is immeasurable.

Again, it's not a matter of whether it is "unrealistic" or not because we already know it can be done. It's simply a matter of what Riot envisions as the future of its game. If their vision in 3-5 years is still static and strict 1-1-1-2 laning assignments, I'll be very surprised. Most of their new champions and reworks seem to be created with the desire for increased role flexibility. If they don't neuter Ziggs potential as an ADC replacement, I think it will be a sign that they see a more flexible future. To some degree, at least.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Dota is a completely different game with completely different design. The fact that something works there means jack shit for League.

 

[zkylon]

Tell you what, you lower that gap but also lower one of the gaps ADCs have with other carry roles as well.

that's exactly what i'm saying

make adcs not boring

Nah.

Dota does this just fine. You can play anyone in any lane at any time. Roles can be defined yet completely flexible if the will is there from Riot to move the game to be as such. In that regard, you might be too used to the rigidity of Riot's thinking on this front as they continue to neuter creative playstyles and alternative laning variants.

1-1-1-2 (top, mid, jungle, bot) laning is all we have today but it doesn't have to be the future of League's laning setups and end of lane strategic planning.

Dota makes it work whether 1-1-1-2, 2-1-0-2, 1-2-0-2, 2-1-1-1, 3-1-0-1, 1-1-0-3, and even the opportunity to abandon a lane entirely if need be, turning to roaming or jungling to supplement lost income and XP and being able to be relevant later. And with or without ranged carries. The value this adds to the complexity of the game is immeasurable.

Again, it's not a matter of whether it is "unrealistic" or not because we already know it can be done. It's simply a matter of what Riot envisions as the future of its game. If their vision in 3-5 years is still static and strict 1-1-1-2 laning assignments, I'll be very surprised. Most of their new champions and reworks seem to be created with the desire for increased role flexibility. If they don't neuter Ziggs potential as an ADC replacement, I think it will be a sign that they see a more flexible future. To some degree, at least.

doesn't matter for shit, doto is another game, i don't like doto, i don't want league to be like doto

i like league

i like 1-1-1-2 and i like how riot designs their champions and their gameplay

i should try ziggs bot actually, considering how much i hate adc

 

[Newt]

I tried guys...

 

[iModem]

I tried guys...

I stand by what I said. You won a game, so you're in much better spirits. That doesn't make us friends. That just makes you two-faced lol.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

doesn't matter for shit, doto is another game, i don't like doto, i don't want league to be like doto

i like league

i like 1-1-1-2

and unfortunately your wish for adcs to be 'less boring' will never come to pass because league follows that formula.(Not trying to sound mean >_>

Following a formula will always restrict the gameplay potential for a game. "Our game has to follow this, therefore everything must be made within that formula". There are distinctions like Ekko or Ivern that really pushes the limitations of what a role is, but they usually end up broken beyond belief.

Like, as long as league follows the 1/1/1/2 formula, there will be no room for experimentation, and any that there is(IE Mordekaiser) will end up broken and ignored.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

newt ur a fkn clown LMFAO

 

[Envelope]

noot called the fk out

 

[Stone Ocean]

I stand by what I said. You won a game, so you're in much better spirits. That doesn't make us friends. That just makes you two-faced lol.

Newt being two faced implies he's not fully toxic

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Newt being two faced implies he's not fully toxic

wouldn't that imply he's the worst kind of toxic

the kind that will stab you in the back when it benefits him the most

 

[Calvero]

does this count as off season drama

 

[Stone Ocean]

I did hear that Dardoch wanted to play ADC, Newt is Dardoch confirmed?

 

[Quonny]

finally this thread is good again

 

[Talents]

 

[BreezyLimbo]

also I guess this gif is fitting for all the drama

 

[drawkcaB]

Kha wasn't made a jungler lol, he was only played mid lane at first.

He absolutely was 100% made a jungler by Riot. His champion spotlight discusses first and foremost how to jungle him. Played in lanes, yes, but not initially intended to.

 

[iModem]

Lol drama's always fun. But seriously, I only have the two games experience with him, but it was just your standard :
"let's give up"
"let's open"
"reksai have you tried runescape? it's pve!"
mia ping spam
"?"
"stick to (champion I know you play because I e-stalked your profile)"
"i may have _______ but atleast i pulled my weight"
blablabalbalbalbla

Like, if you're going to be toxic atleast be memorable about it. That shit don't make you special, it makes you another statistic. GG

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Like, if you're going to be toxic atleast be memorable about it. That shit don't make you special, it makes you another statistic. GG

 

[Quonny]

 

[zkylon]

I stand by what I said. You won a game, so you're in much better spirits. That doesn't make us friends. That just makes you two-faced lol.

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the whole tyler1 bit is lame and ppl encouraging him is dumb

and unfortunately your wish for adcs to be 'less boring' will never come to pass because league follows that formula.(Not trying to sound mean >_>

Following a formula will always restrict the gameplay potential for a game. "Our game has to follow this, therefore everything must be made within that formula". There are distinctions like Ekko or Ivern that really pushes the limitations of what a role is, but they usually end up broken beyond belief.

Like, as long as league follows the 1/1/1/2 formula, there will be no room for experimentation, and any that there is(IE Mordekaiser) will end up broken and ignored.

i don't think so, you're using outliers as proof of something when no true attempts have been made by riot to meaningfully change this stuff

like i see things like giving ap champs more dmg on turrets as slow pushes towards that, as well as making lich bane more desirable by giving it cdr (also zztop, rift herald, blue pot), but it's still far from the aggressive move that would need to be taken to "get rid" of adcs

 

[Deleted member 77995]

Newt is 2016 incarnate.

 

[dimb]

Like, if you're going to be toxic atleast be memorable about it. That shit don't make you special, it makes you another statistic. GG

And like any other toxic player Newt is trying to get a rise out of people on games he already thinks are lost causes. You are falling for it now. He loses nothing and gets attention.

 

[Twookie]

 

[PhillipCostigan]

 

[BreezyLimbo]

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the whole tyler1 bit is lame and ppl encouraging him is dumb


i don't think so, you're using outliers as proof of something when no true attempts have been made by riot to meaningfully change this stuff

like i see things like giving ap champs more dmg on turrets as slow pushes towards that, as well as making lich bane more desirable by giving it cdr (also zztop, rift herald, blue pot), but it's still far from the aggressive move that would need to be taken to "get rid" of adcs

It's not about 'getting rid of adcs'

It's about expanding the options of where characters can go and how they can be played. Increasing the number of items available will aid in this expansion. The creation of new characters will also aid in this expansion. There is no stopping this change.

 

[QuantumSquid]

i'm a yasuo main and i never tilt. you can play with me if you want ioki

Spoiler

abandon all hope ye who queue with me, for i feed on yasuo 50% of the time

 

[Stone Ocean]

It's not about 'getting rid of adcs'

It should

Life would be so much better if I could play stupid shit in bot lane and be meta. Sure you'll remove like 8 champions from the game including my favourite character but who carrrressss. Imagine if I could just play shit like Camille or Fiora with a babysitter on me instead of squishy champions that take skill, fucking dreamy.

 

[PhillipCostigan]

l know I'm not helping but...

 

[QuantumSquid]

i'm not at all surprised that the guy with the draven avatar is a bit of an asshole

 

[Calvero]

do we kiss now

 

[killatopak]

ooooo boy. I was gone for a few days and I come back to this.

i love it.

i'm not at all surprised that the guy with the draven avatar is a bit of an asshole

bu-bu-but aren't you a yasuo main? so that means....

Spoiler

I'm a riven main

 

[BreezyLimbo]

It should

Life would be so much better if I could play stupid shit in bot lane and be meta. Sure you'll remove like 8 champions from the game including my favourite character but who carrrressss. Imagine if I could just play shit like Camille or Fiora with a babysitter on me instead of squishy champions that take skill, fucking dreamy.

I agree with you stone ocean

I have agreed with you since Riot started enforcing the meta

But unfortunately we're at a point where they're kinda needed

and I welcome any change that forces ADC characters from the spotlight, like Ziggs bot.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

if it makes you guys feel better newt doesn't know how to get past a blank space in path of exile.

 

[zkylon]

fabricated "im so troll" drama is boring

It's not about 'getting rid of adcs'

It's about expanding the options of where characters can go and how they can be played. Increasing the number of items available will aid in this expansion. The creation of new characters will also aid in this expansion. There is no stopping this change.

yea, i know, just an expression

also breezy would be nice if u would ever talk without going crazy, it's hard to have meaningful discussion if ur ideas are always nuts lol

 

[BreezyLimbo]

yea, i know, just an expression

also breezy would be nice if u would ever talk without going crazy, it's hard to have meaningful discussion if ur ideas are always nuts lol

When League was homogeneous a couple seasons back

it changed me

 

[PhillipCostigan]

I'm just waiting for the day Newt finally oversteps the mark like he does on GAF and gets that ban

 

[Ghost is Bad]

doubt he'd get banned

i'd get banned waaaayyyy before he does lmao.

 

[Newt]

It's not that I'm two faced or anything like that. I just like you more when you're on the enemy team Ioki.

I'm just waiting for the day Newt finally oversteps the mark like he does on GAF and gets that ban