Seems like a pretty good argument to me.
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Seems like a pretty good argument to me.
Yeah, we had this conversation yesterday. There's proponents for and against adding bans here. I was for
Inskipp
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I'm glad to hear that. Can you specify (or even allowed to talk about) on whether or not you've considered Dota- style draft mode? (picks in between bans and such)Yeah, we had this conversation yesterday. There's proponents for and against adding bans here. I was for
Please specify/elaborate.
I'm not enthusiastic about the debate, it's not that big a deal to me, but:
I'd hate to be a pro and constantly not be able to play my favorite champ in tourneys. With 3 bans on each team, a great character will often get their best champ blocked. With more bans they might not be able to play any of their favorites. I agree with the banning the OP/must pick/must ban characters but more often than not it's just people banning a certain champ because they don't want to deal with the opponent using their favorite/best champ. Personally, I'd rather see matches between opponents at their best, using their best champs. It just makes for a more entertaining match...
But like I said, I don't really have a dog in this fight.
I would prefer this.
His argument is flawed in my oppinion because it would be much better to have the pro's master more champions which would then create a whole new pool of reason 2 champions (Reason 2: To ban your opponent's best player's signature champion (e.g. banning sivir vs doublelift in the NA regionals), which then will allow for more diversity in the banning and picking department as the other team will have to choose which one of the other teams best champs to ban. Now it's easy because everyone knows froggen is best with anivia.
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Inskipp
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That's pretty much what banning is partially meant for. It's supposed to force people to diversify their personal rosters, instead of just relying on one or two champs.
You could argue that the low amount of bans is partially why we don't see more variety from individual players.
I agree, simply increasing the amount of bans is not the best move, as it will allow teams to potentially neuter entire team compositions. This is why I'm advocating the addition of a "staggered" ban- system, for reasons that Boken specified.
I recall someone from Reddit suggesting that soloq could retain the 3- ban system, while the "staggered" ban- system could be introduced in Tournament draft/ranked 5v5's, which is an interesting idea in itself.
In low ELO, Blue Golem is a threat.
Mister Wilhelm
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Bonus gold from minions is extremely important in Dominion. It's 120g per wave at the start, that's HUGE.
This, pretty much. I'd rather this than just more bans as it allows for more decision making during the picks. What are the most important bans that you need out before someone can pick? This raises the stakes of the early picks and makes the later ones more reactive.
We'll see, I guess.
I'm looking forward to Syndra and pulling Blue Golem to mid lane.
Honestly, people not killing minion waves (and not aiming for the last hits) is pretty much how you pick out the bad players in Dominion.
Resetting jungle monsters are the worst! Also I got slaughtered as Ashe when I tried to kill wolves at like level 11 last night. Their crits are too strong, I got executed.
Schmattakopf
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I understand what he's saying, but that doesn't add up—if they ever thought six was a good idea, and then they add champions, that number has to eventually increase. And not just "as they add", it's more that they started with 40 and there's 100 now. All three reasons he mentioned are affected by adding champions, and I'm not sure how valid it is to balance the game around pros playing their favourites.http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=28994941#post28994941 said:
I don't really have an opinion on it, that just doesn't add up.
XeroSauce
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It's nice to see that they acknowledge that they have semi-broken champions and their ranked games will suffer for it.
And if you are really worried about players not being able to play their favorites..they should get more favorites, that's the whole point of bans. Why have bans at all then? Mediocre number of bans just to say you have them? Just to protect the fact that Shen is banned in every game and that's why you don't need to touch him?
Jeeze.
And if you are really worried about players not being able to play their favorites..they should get more favorites, that's the whole point of bans. Why have bans at all then? Mediocre number of bans just to say you have them? Just to protect the fact that Shen is banned in every game and that's why you don't need to touch him?
Jeeze.
I'm for more bans because I'm sick of seeing the same handful of champs in every pro game. But then again, I don't see Graves and Corki getting banned even with extra bans. So I guess it really doesn't matter.
Lone_Prodigy
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AP Yi in ARAM is so OP. Alpha strike rips apart teams and his heal makes him basically unkillable unless you have CC.
At this point, I'd settle for anything useful to be on sale tonight.
dat Tryndamere sale
Mister Wilhelm
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She was JUST on sale.
Middle of July, if I recall. She probably has some time before she's back on sale again but, hey, who knows!
I personally want to grab Graves. Maybe some other 6300 IP champ I want that I can't think of right now.
July 16th. I know it's unlikely she'll hit again soon, fingers crossed. It'll be a max of 16 weeks if they don't duplicate so 8 more to go! lol.
SouthernDragon
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Dat Garen. One of those deaths was at their Nexus fountain.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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Movespeed on everyone.
Legato.Reborn-
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Why is it that every thread involving league and dota turn into a shitstorm
what the fuck is wrong with people
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it's like,
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what the fuck is wrong with people
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it's like,
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massive shit
ultra wtf shit
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I run it on leona/nunu
That'll be tempting to run it on leona.
I use it on Kat/Diana (use movespeed masteries with her too)/Ahri (lol)/Kassadin
Pretty much any lane I'll be autoattacking melee vs a ranged champ. Except Ahri. I just like having a fast Ahri.
Everyone wants their game to be the best. Not many people can dedicate that many hours to both games (Haly an obvious exception lol). They'll end up with a preference and defend that preference to the death via constructive arguments or massive trolling.
I played both for 20+ hours and LoL is the one that stuck. It was more approachable while still offering good reward for applying yourself. I love games you can continuously improve yourself.
Legato.Reborn-
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My opinion is that Flash should be removed.
I'm still very bitter towards Shurelia for blocking the decision.
The game would be a totally different beast if they did. TANKY DPS would rule the skies. I think so much has been balanced around flash, that if they did remove it there'd be huge balance issues for awhile. Not arguing against it's removal, but they're going to have to do it very carefully.
Legato.Reborn-
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And wouldn't that be so exciting?
Can you imagine SR without flash, all the crazy shit?
It would be fantastic.
Spot on. I remember Alistar being one of the biggest counter arguments to Zileas when he talked about removing flash.
But truth be told, I'd be okay with the huge balance issues for a while because I know it's in a step towards the right (haha subjectivity!) direction.
Two reasons.
1. There's a lot of leftover animosity towards Pendragon. I don't think they believe most of what he says either (even though it's all true, plus some).
2. They've always held spite towards other games in the genre. We saw it with HoN too, even during closed beta when the games were very similar mechanically (so there's no "this game is easier" argument, or even much eSports competition).
It doesn't help that there's very high profile people in the Dota community constantly making unreciprocated pot shots at League (2GD and Tobi in particular).
lol this is great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSHvzZy1YZA&feature=share
Watching paint dry would be more entertaining than LoL without Flash and no other changes.
Remember how awful Fiddlesticks was in beta? He was so bad they had to give his ult built-in flash be worthwhile.
Fortunately this is not always the case.
Legato.Reborn-
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Agreed, there should be other changes that coincide with the removal.
That being said, flash removal is that very important first step -- followed by Akali killing you 8 times.
You'd buy Scarf Lux.
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Alot of communities are insular though, FPS , FGC, DotA. What I've seen in LoL doesn't come close what I've experienced.
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Legato.Reborn-
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Get some free time, I know how much you love your ARAMs.
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