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League of Legends |OT4| No Country for Old Karma

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Boken

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AP Corki involves Lich I assume. His AP ratios are just pretty low.

From Reddit:

The mana cost buffs on his ult and Valkyrie last patch were huge for him on AP and AD. There were no direct buffs to AP corki, just people found out that Getting an athenes on him makes his laning phase pretty ridiculous. Basically you can just farm and poke with his ult from a mile away, then when they get low if they decide to stay you can fly in and burst them to death because he actually has good base damage and AP scaling on his Q(and of course his ult spam is huge burst). His early game is also pretty strong cause trading with his Q has little counterplay. Late game he becomes a siege monster with his poke and disengage, kinda like Jayce. Basically he's a huge bully to the enemy team at all stages of the game.
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AP corki got much more popular after the ult buff. they usually rush athene for the ult cdr then liandry and rylai. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/27222755#history This guy has like 70% winrate last week as ap corki in diamond 1.
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I just played a couple games as AP corki yesterday. Man with an athenes and blue buff, he is just a little bitch to lane against. The poke is insane! And the waveclear is top notch. And his mobility allows him to roam very well. Only downside is he doesn't have any CC, but that can be found in the rest of your team hopefully.
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Athene's, Void Staff, Liandry's. Athene's for spammability, Void Staff because his ratios suck but his base damage is high so magic pen > AP. Liandry's for more magic pen and for the passive DOT that he can apply often with his ult. I go magic pen reds/blues/quints and 9/0/21 masteries

from that guy's lolking, the build seems to be
athenes, ryalis, lisandrys, void staff

he sounds a little like AP kog in theory. and its true, the base damage on his ult is RIDONKULUS. his W also continiously procs lisandry's. shred them divers yo
 

Mothman91

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I'm about to try it if I can call it.

Edit:
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It's straight, but the enemy team kept on disconnecting so it wasn't a regular game. I shall try this out more tomorrow.
 

EXGN

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Ward jumping is even easier then since it's targeted. The difficulty in Lee Sin's kit is that he HAS to land that Q. You have to know your distances for ward hops (+ your E range, really) if you want to do well with him. He basically just has a skill floor minimum that is higher than most champions.

That and the fact that he's a very versatile champion as well. Everything from build order to skill level order to skill usage can change at any given point in time.

Like when you're ganking, sometimes you want to tag someone with Q, slow them with E to force flash, then follow up the Q to secure the kill. Other times you want to Q, E to get damage, then Q to execute (since it does % missing health). Other times you want to lead off with Q to get you into position and then E.

In terms of hitting skill shots, Lee Sin is no harder than any other champion. The difficulty is learning how to combo/use the abilities in a way that allows you to accomplish your specific goal for that given situation.
 

Newt

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Man, jungle Evelynn is hard to get into. The spell vamp quints so expensive :(. Could I get away with like 1 spellvamp quint and two lifesteal?
 

Boken

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Blizzard

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That's pretty much how you build him. Zhonya's and Void Staff are also really great items.

As for early game, focus on harass. It's easier than most mid champions to last hit with Fizz because of his W passive, which you should max ASAP, followed by his E. However, take your Q first, but leave one point in it.

When attacking, it's usually W > Q > E (but let it drop so that you get the slow instead of activating it again, unless you need to get in range). If you can, initiate with your ult. Its slow allows you to catch up and do INSANE damage.
Thanks for the advice. I think I was following a guide that said to match E first.

Typically I find myself unable to harass since, for example, if I go in at level 2 or 3 against Zed, they outdamage me. Or they wait behind minions so I can't touch the champion without getting snared, stunned, ganked, and/or drawing a full wave of minion agro. And QWE feels like it takes 50% of Fizz's entire mana pool for the first 10+ minutes of the game.

If I get a chance to Fizz again I'll see how W first works. Then E next, or Q next? I also don't like hitting the ult unless I'm right on top of someone and they're slowed, since it's so easy to completely waste it / have it dodged.

next time on deadliest catch: lulu
Still not as good as AS Lulu top against Wukong, but support Lulu is acceptable too.
 

Boken

Banned
Thanks for the advice. I think I was following a guide that said to match E first.

Typically I find myself unable to harass since, for example, if I go in at level 2 or 3 against Zed, they outdamage me. Or they wait behind minions so I can't touch the champion without getting snared, stunned, ganked, and/or drawing a full wave of minion agro. And QWE feels like it takes 50% of Fizz's entire mana pool for the first 10+ minutes of the game.

If I get a chance to Fizz again I'll see how W first works. Then E next, or Q next? I also don't like hitting the ult unless I'm right on top of someone and they're slowed, since it's so easy to completely waste it / have it dodged.


Still not as good as AS Lulu top against Wukong, but support Lulu is acceptable too.
oops, didnt see that post.

you should max E first on fizz
maxing W first gives you an extra 10 damage over 3s (doesnt stack, so basically it increases your dps by 3) and 5 extra damage on auto attack on the active, whose cd isnt even reduced per rank.
Even leveling Q gives you more - 30 damage per rank + reduce the cd by 1 per rank.
But that E, oh god. +50 damage, -2s cd each rank. down to 8s CD at rank 5. why wouldnt you max the skill that makes fizz a massive dickhead? this skill also allows you to waveclear, so you dont have to stand at the tower awkwardly auto attacking minions.

Every LCS game and the Taiwan finals, OGN had fizz max e.

xpeke probuilds link : http://www.probuilds.net/guide/EUW/1034582606/44256797
ppl use website

Will test it out, thanks Boken.
Why didn't he take the monster-specific defense masteries?
I have no idea.
those runes are actually the most aggressive Eve runes ive seen. check out the rune pages the other people use to see what is acceptable. standard kinda looks like ad reds/arm yellows/mrblue/ap quints
 

Subtle

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Man AP Sona is quite the pub stomper. No one knows how to deal with it. My Lolking guide has reached 12k viewers :D Anyone want to brainstorm some not necessarily viable builds? I know some of you are no nonsense, but I got a few ideas. Like, does spellvamp work on Sona's W? Anyone got an idea of maybe a hybrid Sona build? I'm thinking starting AD, and then transitioning to AP/On-hit. Idk just thinking of some fun blind pick builds to try out (although I'm still adamant about AP Sona being legit). I've also been thinking about bruiser Ashe for awhile now.
 

Boken

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we need to see more fizz, i love owning this shithead with kayle.
Intervention bitchs.
intervention invul = 2s
fizz untargetability = 2s
:O
Man AP Sona is quite the pub stomper. No one knows how to deal with it. My Lolking guide has reached 12k viewers :D Anyone want to brainstorm some not necessarily viable builds? I know some of you are no nonsense, but I got a few ideas. Like, does spellvamp work on Sona's W? Anyone got an idea of maybe a hybrid Sona build? I'm thinking starting AD, and then transitioning to AP/On-hit. Idk just thinking of some fun blind pick builds to try out (although I'm still adamant about AP Sona being legit). I've also been thinking about bruiser Ashe for awhile now.
Sona W does no damage so no spellvamp.
Trinity muramana sona with auto (Q to passive proc) auto combo would do ridiculous burst
plus she would run so fast

12k views? you should charge

bruiser ashe is basically support ashe that wasted money on tank items

The correct answer.

why arent you going to worlds
 

Blizzard

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oops, didnt see that post.

you should max E first on fizz
maxing W first gives you an extra 10 damage over 3s (doesnt stack, so basically it increases your dps by 3) and 5 extra damage on auto attack on the active, whose cd isnt even reduced per rank.
Even leveling Q gives you more - 30 damage per rank + reduce the cd by 1 per rank.
But that E, oh god. +50 damage, -2s cd each rank. down to 8s CD at rank 5. why wouldnt you max the skill that makes fizz a massive dickhead? this skill also allows you to waveclear, so you dont have to stand at the tower awkwardly auto attacking minions.

Every LCS game and the Taiwan finals, OGN had fizz max e.

xpeke probuilds link : http://www.probuilds.net/guide/EUW/1034582606/44256797
ppl use website



I have no idea.
those runes are actually the most aggressive Eve runes ive seen. check out the rune pages the other people use to see what is acceptable. standard kinda looks like ad reds/arm yellows/mrblue/ap quints

Well this makes me sad, since I've been maxing E first and failing horribly as Fizz, especially with the 100+ mana cost. :( Maybe the guide will help, thanks.

I just tried AP Corki mid. I had 417 CS, literally OVER TWICE the damage to enemy champions of anyone else on the team, and went 12/2/11. Sadly it wasn't enough since the game went on too long and people would just suicide alone, so when I died the second time the game ended.

I think it could work in some cases though.

I really wanted to try lich bane instead of a defensive item (hourglass in my case which did me no good), but I feel like if I got in range for the lich bane proc I would run a good chance of being dead since by the time I got it, it would be the 4th or 5th item.
 

brian!

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r u guys rdy for ppl talking about teams at worlds not taking it seriously enuff or not being cutthroat enough or just in general not taking the internets advice about things

like r u guys rdy for theorycrafting
but about human beans?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
 

Hazaro

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Boken

Banned
I need someone to get me a LCS Finals Ticket since I'll be at PAX away from my computer (I'll attempt to be around BYOC or something, but...)

It's noon PST tomorrow (Friday) tickets go on sale at na.lolesports.com

Here: http://na.lolesports.com/season3/regionals2013/articles/world-championship-tickets-available-aug-24
or here: http://na.lolesports.com/season3/re...another-opportunity-attend-world-championship

Whatever is in stock is fine. Prefer lower or middle seats. THXXXXXX

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r u guys rdy for ppl talking about teams at worlds not taking it seriously enuff or not being cutthroat enough or just in general not taking the internets advice about things

like r u guys rdy for theorycrafting
but about human beans?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
RDY TO INSULT WESTERN TEAMSZZZ
Tomorrow Saturday. Not today friday :X They go on sale the 31st, not 30th.
he'll probably stillb e at pax

12 hrs UNTIL CLG v TSM OMG ?GET HYPED
clg v tsm preview: http://lol.gamepedia.com/Articles:PAX_Match_Preview_-_TSM_vs_CLG_(NA_LCS_Playoffs)
crs v dig preview: http://lol.gamepedia.com/Articles:PAX_Match_Preview_-_CRS_vs_DIG_(NA_LCS_Playoffs)

and incase you are going to pax, here is a surival guide: http://lol.gamepedia.com/PAX_2013/Survival_Guide
 

Boken

Banned
thought I'd share with the class. this 29-minute win (they quit):

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prompted this:


How swiftly the days of friendly discussion post-match have gone away.

Also, Karma + Riven were a fuckin problem. Speed boost shield on Riven into the Karma slow? *low whistle*



who what where and is it in Miami.

theres this shield in the game that blocks ALL CC

imagine that for a second.

i wish morgana was still good : (

I think the norm is no post match discussion, friendly and unfriendly both equal. thats me anyway.

world finals is at LA, the city of angels or something
 
Yep. I went on a 10 win streak in Bronze 1 and only made it to 81LP.

I saw an infographic somewhere that indicated it takes approximately twice as many games this season to reach the equivalent of a given Elo from last season. That test with the pros sounds interesting, but in fairness they are going to be the outliers.

Anyone remember that? It was probably on Reddit, but I've made the big sacrifice and stopped visiting the LoL subreddit for a while.
 

Boken

Banned
GUESS THE CHAMPIONSHIP SKIN
hints:
'4th letter of the ultimate is '
'some people might build blood thirster on them'

so,
Thresh
Caitlyn
Quinn
 

bjaelke

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GUESS THE CHAMPIONSHIP SKIN
hints:
'4th letter of the ultimate is '
'some people might build blood thirster on them'

so,
Thresh
Caitlyn
Quinn

Easy.

top - Championship Riven
jungle - Victorious Elise
mid - Triumphant Ryze
support Victorious Janna
marksman - Championship Caitlyn.
 

LogicStep

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I tried Lee Sin, he's one of the more difficult champs to use of the ones I've tried. I'm not sure if I like him much, he's fun and all but I prefer tanky junglers like Udyr or J4. Not sure, I gotta give him more playtime but I'm not sure I'm really feeling it.
 
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