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League of Legends |OT5| Premade Bot
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PhillipCostigan
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doesn't fix what's wrong with him. He's still gonna be impossible to shove out of lane.
Just means you're going to have to walk a little bit closer to one shot carries late game while being invincible.
Just means you're going to have to walk a little bit closer to one shot carries late game while being invincible.
Dreams-Visions
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yup
doge got a leash
OUCH.
edit: wow at that Riven nerf. Did she lose 60dmg with her level 1 Q combo? Am I reading that correctly? Might not be so bad but it looks like Riven will have to play smarter now with regards to trades pre 6. I'm okay with that.
nope because she now scales off her total ad instead of bonus ad
like, if she starts with like 70-80 ad from base ad+masteries/runes and doran's blade, she adds .4 of that to her damage, so that is actually 90 more damage to her q combo.
before it'd be .75 off her bonus ad, so it'd be that 55 base damage + .75 off her 15 ad from doran blade or something for 30 more damage, so it evens out at early game. I always forget if masteries and runes count as bonus ad but I think it's around the same numbers
it's more or less the same early game, but seems like it'll be pretty sizeable nerf for her late game, and the e nerf is kinda nice.
I personally kind of hate these late game monsters that put so much pressure on you to destroy in lane. all the vaynes and karthuses and nasus and kassadin and shit, I don't like them at all
I mean it's fun to dump on a karthus but it's so sad to lose because you ran out of time. I'm being a bit simplistic but it always ends up feeling like that
PhillipCostigan
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Except Karthus is way easier to shit on than the other two. Vayne's probably in a rough spot right now, but Nasus is and still will be ridiculous. He discourages interaction in lane and eventually becomes an unmoveable object that's practically impossible to gank when he gets some levels. Such a poorly designed champion.
yup pretty much
kassadin is the same shit mid. he'll get like 30 cs by ten minutes
still come back and wreck your team
Just from running it in a sample game, it was ~6 damage different at Rank 1 (~48 per hit vs ~42) and up to ~85 difference at practically full build at 18 (331 vs 246).
45% total AD would make it practically the same early game (~48 vs ~46) while not making the late game quite so big (331 vs ~302). Of course, I'd have to play her out to see if that's even a relevant loss. Like, it could just be overkill damage getting reduced so it might ultimately not matter that much.
it will make it much harder for him to get in range of carries to shut them down. current wither is just easy to fire off because of its range and its impact is devastating. having a short range on it opens up at least the potential for nasus to be kited or zoned.
PhillipCostigan
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Well Kassadin's at least getting wrecked this patch.
I just find their unwillingness to properly nerf Nasus and address what exactly is too strong about him and what makes him unfun to play against pretty annoying.
That's not my problem with him. My problem with him is in lane. I have no problem with Nasus being super strong late game, as long as it's not a free ride for him to get there, which it is currently. Unless you really just dump on him at level 2 or 3 you can;t shove him out of lane. He just free farms under tower for easy stacks.
I just find their unwillingness to properly nerf Nasus and address what exactly is too strong about him and what makes him unfun to play against pretty annoying.
That's not my problem with him. My problem with him is in lane. I have no problem with Nasus being super strong late game, as long as it's not a free ride for him to get there, which it is currently. Unless you really just dump on him at level 2 or 3 you can;t shove him out of lane. He just free farms under tower for easy stacks.
Extra AD from her ultimate widens the gap, not closing it.
KiwiLannister
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I don't like the shyvana nerf, I feel like long term they will either have to make her so weak she's unplayable, or rework her. The problem is her kit is so face roll. They need to put more damage into her eyes because it's her only skill shot...
Kinda lame that the dragons maim source of damage is slapping you while being in your presence. Not breathing fire or anything.
I would almost suggest making q a straight line gap closer that did damage in a direction.
Quite frankly shyvana should be a champ that builds bruiser, not purely tanky.
Edit: how to fix nasus:
1. Q stacks have a limit per character level, (20 x level) and when you die your q stacks drop back to this limit from whatever they were.
2. Wither is a skill shot similar to syndras q but a bit slower.
Kinda lame that the dragons maim source of damage is slapping you while being in your presence. Not breathing fire or anything.
I would almost suggest making q a straight line gap closer that did damage in a direction.
Quite frankly shyvana should be a champ that builds bruiser, not purely tanky.
Edit: how to fix nasus:
1. Q stacks have a limit per character level, (20 x level) and when you die your q stacks drop back to this limit from whatever they were.
2. Wither is a skill shot similar to syndras q but a bit slower.
Terbinator
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Would Rylais + Liandrys on Nami make me a troll?
PhillipCostigan
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I'd have thought as a Syndra and Lux player you would be begging people not to play Rengar
Dreams-Visions
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oic! thanks for clarification.
Stone Ocean
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The Wither nerf actually hits Nasus' laning pretty hard. Now pretty much every ranged auto attacker will outrange him and he won't be able to do shit about it. Send something like Kennen or Nidalee top and watch him slowly die. He's also about to lose 10% CDR from his core build thanks to the Visage nerf, so that hurts him too specially vs AP.
Now all we need is to fix masteries and see the rune changes and maybe we can turn doge into a chiuahua.
Now all we need is to fix masteries and see the rune changes and maybe we can turn doge into a chiuahua.
having a rengar in the enemy turns the game into that resident evil 3 survival horror shit where suddenly a big fat monster jumps out a window to give you a bloody hugI'd have thought as a Syndra and Lux player you would be begging people not to play Rengar
plus I don't really play lux anymore ever since an enemy katarina told me she's no fun
really excited about the rune changes
playing mage will be a lot more fun if people aren't running mr blues all the time
isn't rylais kind of a waste?
like I dunno how it stacks with tidecaller blessing slow but seems kinda wasteful.
just go dfg and be a man
this nerf makes his laning harder too. the only thing that makes a safe lane poorly designed is when it can guarantee the late game dominance nasus can.
also, lol at sending kennen or nidalee against nasus because of this wither change.
Stone Ocean
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What then? Back to top mages?
Nidalee would work if AD Nid wasn't shit, I guess. Aside from Nasus top ain't my thing.
PhillipCostigan
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Kennen and Nidalee would hardly tickle Nasus.
The only way to beat Nasus in lane right now is to try and dump on him at level 2 or 3. After that he just free farms.
The only way to beat Nasus in lane right now is to try and dump on him at level 2 or 3. After that he just free farms.
For some reason I hate the champs you love.
PhillipCostigan
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you main an ADC with no escape. I think that's your reason.
Stone Ocean
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Well, on the bright side Kass and Eve are getting deleted so that's two more bans that people will spend on Nasus so technically that nerfs him.
and I'll never get to play thresh again
Well I'll play Vayne or Sivir if I see champions that I'll need to kite, but you have a good point, lol.
PhillipCostigan
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So Riven's Q ratio scales with rank from 0.4 AD to 0.6 AD.
Riven's nerfs confirmed as love taps.
Riven's nerfs confirmed as love taps.
stop trying to counter things and just play strong top laners. doran shield is too strong on sustain top laners for early AA harass to be valuable.
Well that's around ~48 less damage after 3 Qs. Noticeable.
Play Mundo, he's really good right now.
I noticed, and also I hate Nasus. It was more towards to Shyvana, but I'm sure you hate her too.
You might as well hate me too while you're at it Newt.
Stone Ocean
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The dash nerf is pretty meaningfull...
If you're shit with Riven. People like Faker and BoxBox? They're not nerfing shit lol.
Well I guess it's time to get good at Riven! I gotta justify that bunny girl skin.
#dead
PhillipCostigan
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Yes...Newt is right. You can outright burn anyone down with Kayle.
I can't find the video but in the NiP vs KMT, Kayle won a 2v1 vs a Riven/Renekton.
Stone Ocean
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I don't, I just love theorycrafting :C
I'd just pick something like Shyvanna and be done with it. That or play like a retard and do Lanewick.
Terbinator
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Rylais/Liandrys/Morellos is legit on Nami guys.
Dreams-Visions
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these mothafuckas in normals. I swear.
I get a Yauso and Gangplank vs a Sejunai and Voli who build all tank. Armor and HP stackin.
Yet neither of them gets an IE or a LW despite my repeated requests. They then go on to say, "Sej/Voli so stacked." Well no shit. You didn't buy any damage items (PD's and Shiv's mostly and a BoTRK).
GAF, pls.
I get a Yauso and Gangplank vs a Sejunai and Voli who build all tank. Armor and HP stackin.
Yet neither of them gets an IE or a LW despite my repeated requests. They then go on to say, "Sej/Voli so stacked." Well no shit. You didn't buy any damage items (PD's and Shiv's mostly and a BoTRK).
GAF, pls.
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