Legato.Reborn-
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do you guys still play TT in that GAF team?
I play TT a lot and haven't run into you guys
I play TT a lot and haven't run into you guys
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WesternHeretic
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I don't know about that. At least her E is a skill shot, and so is her R.
Annie well... W, and R are both easy aoe stun. Q is an automatic stun if their is a priority target.
yeah I'm surprised they haven't hit her a bit
like just make her ult cd be like 110/85/60 or something.
I think that might be enough
At least Annie doesn't gain ridiculously strong free tank stats.
WesternHeretic
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True but in return Annie get's a lot more damage. That early level 2, 3, and 6 all in is pretty scary.
Leona 6 is scary too, but not so much at 2,3.
yea, the 20% armor/mr thing is pretty silly on top of her pretty insane stats from w. I mean like those stats were meant for a world she wouldn't be buying tons of armor anyways
and her e and ult are pretty easy to land and pretty forgiving if you miss too.
like she used to have a higher skillcap because you just couldn't start doran's shield and you couldn't just stack armor because you were spending everything on wards. now she's pretty dumb to play
you have to take into account her passive damage tho
like leona can add like a 100 damage (could be more since both e and w are aoe so they'll probably at least hit adc and support once) at level 3 if people proc her passive right.
but yea annie's obviously got more damage
ADC is actually a really balanced role right now. They only really need to buff MF, and pretty much every ADC will be pretty viable ( maybe not Graves, but he has a badly designed kit anyways).
With support they basically have to nerf Leona, Thresh and Annie. Not sure what will happen though after those 3 are nerfed.
With support they basically have to nerf Leona, Thresh and Annie. Not sure what will happen though after those 3 are nerfed.
Leona's level 2/3 is much more threatening than Annie's.
eh, I'm no adc specialist so won't comment on that, but I don't really think annie and thresh are really worth any more nerfing. except maybe a aa range nerf for annie because even if that's a big part of her identity it's also super random and gets in the way of her having an actually pleasant autoattack speed for mid. can't think of much else to change about her that won't hurt her mid/top.
I usually don't agree with people whining for buffs rather than nerfs, but I think that's the way it has to go. thresh is one of the best champions in the game, his kit is filled with potential and his skill floor is actually pretty high.
now what I would want is rather than buffs, reworks. rework sona, rework soraka, rework taric, rework alistar and rework blitz.
make them all competitive, give sona skillshots to create aoe auras that your team has to stand in, give blitz a real ult, take out that shitty ult passive and give him tolerable mana costs (maybe make his hook work like varus' q?), give soraka an actual kit, etc.
like I really wish every support was as fun and made you feel as good as thresh does rather than taking him down. his ult nerf last patch felt like a step towards making him just feel worse rather than toning him down where he's unnecessarily good, like the aa range which I feel is pretty acceptable (although very annoying too)
like thresh's my bot lane orianna, I feel like every champion should feel as good to play as him
yup
Thresh is fine right where he is. His flay bug occurs like 1 out of every 10 goddamn flays which is fucking aggravating. His laning phase isn't THAT strong, but it's strong enough to pose a challenge. The only real advantage he has over Leona is being able to flay the bitch away during her E.
Annie is goddamn ridiculous and needs deleted. Leona needs a hit on her W to stop her lane dominance.
Annie is goddamn ridiculous and needs deleted. Leona needs a hit on her W to stop her lane dominance.
WesternHeretic
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I guess. Maybe I am just not at the elo where it plays out like that (Currently Silver 1). Most Leona in low gold, high silver suck pretty bad.
I guess I'm just skewed from what I've personally seen. I have a friend who floats around 85 to 95 LP at Diamond 1. We duo for one game just for lulz, and he went support Annie just to show me how to carry with sup, and basically won my lane for me for free. I really didn't have to do anything..hit tab oh wait I'm 5-0 at 7 mins?
Imperfected
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Deleted might be a little much, but she could probably do with some updates to account for changes in the way the game is designed since she was created. Off the top of my head:
Her W should have a cast/travel speed. There is no reason for this ability to be an instant hitscan spell. The stun and damage should be applied when the graphic of the flames actually reaches the target, not the moment it's triggered. It should be stopped by Yasuo's wall. There's just no reason other than lazy coding it behaves the way it does.
Her R should probably have a brief travel time as well. Tibbers is coming down like a meteor, right? That's why it does damage in the area he drops in? Because right now it seems like he just sort of farts into existence. It doesn't need to be like a slow-moving projectile or horribly telegraphed, but it shouldn't be instant.
To be honest, that's probably enough to fix her. If she wants an AoE stun she needs to take a chance on it - namely, that other champions may be able to flash out of it or otherwise dodge it if they're watching for it and have quick reflexes - and should only be able to get an easy stun off the Q. More to the point, there just aren't many instant-speed ranged attacks in the game, so it brings her more in line with the overall game design. (I mean, maybe it's just me, but it's a little bit ridiculous that Lux, Lucian, and Leona have attacks that are light but are literally slower than Annie's fire attacks.)
Sigismundo
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So, why is the Anivia/Annie thing in Korea considered BM? I think it has something to do with people banning out Anivia rather than Annie and then picking Annie but that doesn't seem very bad-mannered.
Wolf Akela
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I think Leona/Annie is a fairly even lane.
vel koz seems really god damn strong.
The wave clear and mana costs are pretty stupid.
And watching sirchez go velkoz vs velkoz at mid is hilarious
When they go all in on each other, there's a 1-2 second moment where both vel koz's are juststaring at each other (ulti), waiting for death from ignite and the ult ticks.
The ulti seems really fun to play with
The wave clear and mana costs are pretty stupid.
And watching sirchez go velkoz vs velkoz at mid is hilarious
When they go all in on each other, there's a 1-2 second moment where both vel koz's are juststaring at each other (ulti), waiting for death from ignite and the ult ticks.
The ulti seems really fun to play with
Yeah, it is definitely the most even of the four match up there. She does have a simple time exploiting Leona's weaknesses, still.
Imperfected
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But what if we run an Annie/Leona lane and just leave the carry out entirely? What then?!
BriseFlots
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Blaze VS SKT S is gonna cause me a heart attack.
This game's sooooo good.
This game's sooooo good.
Imperfected
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What's that, Europe? A 658 CS record? That's pretty good, I guess...
BriseFlots
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Well... NA Bronze or KR pro rule's the same:
DO NOT BARON
DO NOT BARON
I have won all my top and mid lanes as Chogath so far. The only issue sometimes is against a good Yashuo which is my fault for not going straight away as a tank after I get that sub-item where you get health and mana + as you level up.
Chogath for me is one of the most balance champions in game. Shen is consistent but since I am still Bronze 2 (got myself from Bronze 4) I am forced to carry 75 percent of my games as Chogath which is a shame.
Chogath for me is one of the most balance champions in game. Shen is consistent but since I am still Bronze 2 (got myself from Bronze 4) I am forced to carry 75 percent of my games as Chogath which is a shame.
Imperfected
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Fiora does not creep. Saunters, perhaps. Lunges, certainly.
BriseFlots
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Trundle picked. Hype.
Imperfected
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It's kind of weird to see Annie with Wild Growth. She's bigger than Tibbers.
Best situation to use Reverse Annie skin.
Imperfected
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You could even throw up the Molten Shield and maybe fake out the enemy team completely. (Probably not, but I have seen people Flash over walls to "escape" Tibbers because when he appeared they mistook it for me Flashing after them.)
Lost a match.
Morgana feeding Fizz and not knowing how to play Morgana.
ADC, apparently silver, 1-12 and farm 51 in 30m.
Soraka without sightstone, no Aegis against Teemo+Fed Fizz.
It was so bad we lost 4v5 because as you can imagine Fizz was so superfed he was able to
tripple kill easily.
Morgana feeding Fizz and not knowing how to play Morgana.
ADC, apparently silver, 1-12 and farm 51 in 30m.
Soraka without sightstone, no Aegis against Teemo+Fed Fizz.
It was so bad we lost 4v5 because as you can imagine Fizz was so superfed he was able to
tripple kill easily.
Terbinator
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Only baddies think Annie is stronger than Leona.
PhillipCostigan
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Fiora's generally always had a 50%+ win rate, usually around 51%. She's a good champion, one that I'm still expecting to see start popping up more and more frequently. The fact that she's hit almost 53% at this stage doesn't surprise me.
She's good against both Shyvana and Mundo in top lane, and good against most of the currently strong mid laners.
She's good against Yasuo too, if you're looking for someone to dump on Yasuo with.
She's even a pretty decent solo queue jungler right now with the new Elder Lizard. She could fill the current vacancy for a snowballing AD-assasin-type jungle that Kha'Zix left.
I'm two pages behind catching up but I had to reply to this.
You're 100% right. At least for me. When I'm playing solo I know if I have a bad game the most I'll disappoint is MagicalPoop (real name.. played with him last week) and my other bowel movement inspired teammates. Worst case they start flaming and I hit that ignore button. But when I queue up with a GAF member, the people I interact with daily on this wonderful board community, I start to feel the pressure. Even in normals there's some pressure to do well, especially if I'm sharing a lane. The pressure's on man!
Stone Ocean
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Fiora should be slightly better with the Doran's nerfs now.
Slightly.
Slightly.
PROGRAM_IX
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Finally came back to ranked, stuck bot with the last pick who said 'not bot' and ended up playing a huge-farm Vayne. (Ahead of Tristana by 50ish consistently for a good part of the game.) I haven't played Thresh in months but I knew against Volibear and Tristana I'd want that Flay so I did it anyway. Can't drop from Bronze IV right?
0% caring, 100% carrying. Saving Vayne all day.
0% caring, 100% carrying. Saving Vayne all day.
Obviously I didn't actually carry.
Them are fighting words. You concede that lulu is stronger than Leona, then?
Terbinator
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Lulu support? Maybe.
PhillipCostigan
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depends on the pairing if you ask me.
for example, Leona Ezreal is an incredibly strong lane. probably a stronger lane combo than most supports and ADC combos have.
But with the doran's nerfs, is it stronger than say Lulu Cait? Probably not.
At the moment, or at least before today's patch, I would say Leona is a stronger support than Lulu. Dunno now with the Doran's nerfs though.
solid mike
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New League player. Why are Garen, Nasus and LeBlanc so broken?
Dobkeratops
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damn, vel'koz is such a husbando
Stone Ocean
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How so? There's nothing particularly special about that combo. It's not like Ez can chain CC like Jinx/Whatever
Terbinator
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He's mobile enough to stick with Leona and detonate/follow up as well as a safer pick to GTFO away from Thresh, Nami.
They're not, really. They just have strong elements that people never want to avoid and exploit their weaknesses. Garen and Nasus especially can be kited to an early grave.
PhillipCostigan
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Ez is really good at following up on Leona's engages because of his mobility and early game burst. he has a really easy time of utilising Leona's passive too. He can also poke people down really well so Leona engages can guarantee a kill.
It's just a pretty terrifying lane combo to play against. It's why most LCS teams will lane swap so they don't have to deal with the Leona Ezreal lane.
Yes, lulu support, during laning phase, before the dorans shield nerfs. I haven't played the match up on the new patch yet.
Say both use Jinx or something for relative equality. During the laning phase, Leona won't be able to do much.
The main strategy for winning against Leona is to exploit her abysmal lvl 1. Just harass them (mostly the adc, but also Leona if you can't hit the adc) so hard they simply cannot all in you at level 2. If they cannot do that, then you can simply keep up the harass. Leona is completely useless when it's impossible for her to win an all in. Even if they go heal, they will be behind and you can keep on punishing, even if you need to position differently.
I'm not saying Leona is a bad support, I'm just saying she has a weak laning phase unless her opponents are really bad at positioning. Leona is my most played support this season, followed by thresh and lulu.
Now, Leona is better at setting up ganks from the jungle than lulu, so warding is extremely important.
PhillipCostigan
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Yeah Leona's laning is definitely weak in most cases, and you sort of have to rely on jungle ganks to really get yourself going. She's so good at setting up those ganks though that a good early gank can win the lane for the Leona lane.
Lulu's definitely good against Leona, but to be honest in the current meta I'd rather have Lulu in the mid lane.
Like, if I had a support Leona and a Lulu mid that would me awesome. So much chained cc and tankiness/pseudo-tankiness.
I would also rather have a Leona support late game than a Lulu support late game.
Lulu's definitely good against Leona, but to be honest in the current meta I'd rather have Lulu in the mid lane.
Like, if I had a support Leona and a Lulu mid that would me awesome. So much chained cc and tankiness/pseudo-tankiness.
I would also rather have a Leona support late game than a Lulu support late game.
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