Stone Ocean
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A champion that a lot of people play having a consistent win rate is not the same as a champion not many people play having a consistent win rate.
How is that illogical?
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How is that illogical?
Wolf Akela
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"Just ban him" is a very poor excuse justify the balance of a champion. If we "just ban him" every game, then there's clearly a problem that has to be addressed. I'm not saying he's a 100% ban rate for me (totally not) or for tournets. Imho, in a perfect world, bans should be for banning champs that you dont feel like fighting, or may pose a threat to your comp, or target player bans, not because a champ is better than most others.
Lanterns cant be ward blocked anymore. You'll have a split second to get more than one person to bodyblock a lantern and it's not easy at all. Not as difficult as hiding a ward behind dragon, but still hard.
Yes like mentioned before he rose higher because he was untouched in preseason. Extra gold meant tankier Thresh.
The ban was an option, not a necessity. Most of the time when a lantern is thrown out, it's in the middle of a gank/fight. It's thrown right at the carry and easily bodyblocked (has happened numerous times to Newt and Fuzz as my Thresh).
There is nothing wrong with the way Thresh is built right now. He is perfect for his role and honestly, if anything, needs a buff on his ult (FUCK YOU RITO). The other supports need their nerfs reverted.
thats not what you said
anyway,
1. higher play rate = harder to read win rate - what does this even mean. statistically, win rate becomes more accurate with more samples so how does it get... harder?
2. if its harder to read, then why are yu making a statement about high play rate statistics
3. theres nothing inherently wrong with a popular champion with a 50% win rate. you seem to imply that the more people playing something, the win rate should be lower there's no reasoning for this.
if s4 nerfs were reverted, thresh would still be best tier, just like he was in s3. the difference now is that junglers are even more dangerous, making sona less viable than in s3, so even more threshiness
I got dumpstered by a Lulu support yesterday, I was Leona. I couldn't get close to her without receiving a lot of poke. Bad positioning by my part equaled to 50% of my health gone (Lulu + Cait). We got bullied so hard early lane, we lost that game pretty badly.
if a champion has a low pick rate only people that really know the champion are playing it. if it has a pick rate that is borderline universal, it means anyone can pick up the champion and win with it. the current round of popular junglers are about as brain dead as it gets, and (surprise) all have good sustain 1-3 that makes them extremely safe picks.
i'm bringing it back. i just woke up and i come to a thread talking about how pantheon and thresh are in a good place for balance, and lee sin is underpowered.
PROGRAM_IX
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I'm not adding anything to this discussion because my recent play with Thresh demonstrated to me that he's still pretty damn strong
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That said, it's pretty entertaining when Boken gets all academic.
if I can win with him
That said, it's pretty entertaining when Boken gets all academic.
sejuani is hard. aim ult plus aim q plus spell timings. weak early game and impossible to keep up on clear times with all these sotel junglers. amoo is easy mode and does everything like 100 times easier. i don't really like or play sejuani right now.
oh, and let me elaborate a bit why i feel thresh's ult sucks now
in games i spectate and even at the LCS, I see it used so many times as purely a zoning mechanism (stay the fuck away) or a disengage "POOP MAH COIN AND POOP MAH WALL RUN AWAY RUN AWAY RUN AWAY"
Seeing it used to secure a kill on a gank or a straight up 2v2 in botlane is so rare
edit: just watching CW vs FNC right now, every single thresh ult has been to zone the other team. sucks, man.
edit #2: I'd trade ALL the damage on the thresh ult for a faster cast
in games i spectate and even at the LCS, I see it used so many times as purely a zoning mechanism (stay the fuck away) or a disengage "POOP MAH COIN AND POOP MAH WALL RUN AWAY RUN AWAY RUN AWAY"
Seeing it used to secure a kill on a gank or a straight up 2v2 in botlane is so rare
edit: just watching CW vs FNC right now, every single thresh ult has been to zone the other team. sucks, man.
edit #2: I'd trade ALL the damage on the thresh ult for a faster cast
Imperfected
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They are always acceptable if they're cute or funny enough.
Anyway, I stick by my guns on Lee Sin: he's the Vayne of junglers. There are so many people who've gotten so good at him that he's always going to be in the rotation, but at his core he really is not good anymore. To put it another way, if you had a hotshot ace carry from DOTA make the switch and needed to train them up fast, would you:
A) Have them play 10 games each as Sivir, Lucian, and Caitlyn, or
B) Have them play 30 games on Vayne?
By the same token, if you had an excellent player you were moving to the jungle who had very little experience there, would you:
A) Have them play 10 games each as Elise, Wukong, and Vi, or
B) Have them play 30 games on Lee Sin?
Feel free to multiply the numbers evenly as you like; 100x3 vs 300, 200x3 vs 600, etc. The effort in to performance out on Vayne and Lee Sin are actually terrible, and the only thing that keeps them in any way relevant is that there are so many players who've already put in the enormous commitment to be good at them keeping them alive.
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lee sin saw a power spike in s4 because of trinkets. his risk level is super low, his sustain is really high, and he's a good sotel jungler. the difficulty of his play is highly overstated.
also who cares about thresh ult? it's not essential to his kit and provides zoning for your ad carry if necessary. thresh still dominates lanes before six.
also who cares about thresh ult? it's not essential to his kit and provides zoning for your ad carry if necessary. thresh still dominates lanes before six.
Imperfected
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But being able to CS effectively in top lane requires actual mechanics rather than a BT and the ability to see a life bar.*
*Unless you're Tiamat rush Renekton or Shyvana, then fuck it, just mash buttons.
hide ur mouse???
its his potential that gets never realised by "low plat, actually diamond but my team sucks" players
woa, who are we talking about here?
kiunchbb
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I don't have the mechanical skill to do that. Same reason why Lee Sin suck for me.
Mister Negative
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just got handed my second annie loss after laning against sivir and morgana. double spellshield OP.
the lane actually went okay, me and cait just farmed and we farmed better than them. They just had a fed swain and a fed shyvana.
the lane actually went okay, me and cait just farmed and we farmed better than them. They just had a fed swain and a fed shyvana.
Imperfected
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Better nerf Teemo some more. People are still playing him.
Dreams-Visions
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All of the above are really, really strong right now. I agree.
Are there any good Janna players in this thread. I want to add her to my roster but my first game back on her was garbage. I believe I started e,q,e,w against a cait soraka lane.
I'm just wondering about the different skill orders that are possible, rune,mastery combos and some laning advice. I know w and e make some good trades. I'm looking to pick her into all the popular supports to try those match ups out.
In fact my support masteries in general need some rethinking .
Edit: looking for matchup advice against Annie,thresh,Leona
I'm just wondering about the different skill orders that are possible, rune,mastery combos and some laning advice. I know w and e make some good trades. I'm looking to pick her into all the popular supports to try those match ups out.
In fact my support masteries in general need some rethinking .
Edit: looking for matchup advice against Annie,thresh,Leona
I wouldn't play her right now, she's not in a good spot (unless you really counter their entire team comp). I used to play her R > E > Q > W (early: E, Q, W if jungler would gank, E Q E W otherwise). It's more a farm/safe poke lane, not aggressive at all. Can be countered pretty easily by the holy bot lane trinity. If I remember correctly, I ran AP/Mana Regen runes. Haven't tried her in S4.
Agreed. Wukong and Pantheon were decent junglers before, only held down by their lack of sustain. With the spirit stone changes they are out of control.
Janna is perfectly viable if you can play her well. While I'm not completely up to date on her matchups, against Leona you want to be able to cancel her E with your Q.
For runes, builds, masteries, etc, see this guy, hes the best Janna I've ever seen:
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/28951445#profile
I know she's flimsy and can't bang heads against the ops but I just wanna play her anyway. I suppose I could buy lulu but I'm worried she will be gutted soon because if her Midlane. When thresh,Leona and Annie are banned I have nobody besides nami and maybe morg. I hate playing sona and taric.
I took a look at this guide after, I agree with most of the stuff, and it's pretty in depth.
http://www.lolking.net/guides/246584
I prefer R>E>W>Q. She really benefits from being played aggressively; I think she has some negative misconceptions associated with her.
Nah, Janna is still very good. She just needs better positioning and skills overall than most other supports, especially when you play her aggressively.
No vi? gragas?
Mister Wilhelm
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Personally, I think the main reason Thresh is so strong is that his lantern is one of the most broken spells ever and the range is insane.
Stone Ocean
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Whatever gets her nerfed
electricpirate
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So I'm starting to get into League a bit. Is there a newbie group of people who'd like to get together for a couple of games and don't mind some serious dead weight?
Didn't put him and Kass in the list because they're due for nerfs.
Normally I would mind dead weight, but I can't say no to the guy with the Jorge avatar.
add me, name is nekofrog. i'll play and not rage at newbness.
electricpirate
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Jeez Newt, it's not hard to understand man. I play them and I don't always win, ergo they are balanced. Sheesh.
happy birthday!
Mister Negative
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The few amumus I've seen since the season 4 changes have mostly built wraith, if that counts for anything.
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