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League of Legends |OT6| My AP Mid Can't Be This Cute
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like imo just remove the item
like dominant junglers before wriggles were khazix, elise, evelynn and lee sin. like carry junglers have no business whining about anything :/
Imperfected
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What? No. Look, you're over-complicating this.
I'm Lee Sin. At Lv3, I go to the long solo lane ("top", wherever it may be today). At a bare minimum, my gank is definitely going to force the solo laner back. I might not get a Flash, I might not kill him, but he will have to back off.
Now? I stay in lane. I go push his tower. His jungler now has to show up (or send the mid up and cover mid). I have dictated that he must stop his jungle farming and come to lane. I'm not missing out on much by doing this compared to what he is, and I can do this practically whenever I want. Once I get Conservation I'm even building gold value while I fart around in lane forcing him to react.
The same thing with dragon: if I go mid or bot and go "boogedy boogedy boo, I'm a scary ganking Lee!" then the laners have to back off, and we can go force at dragon. If we force at dragon, their jungler has to show up because they need their Smite there. Again, I've dictated to him where he has to be, and it's not farming his jungle happily. I can do this whenever dragon is up, because I'm a big dick G Conservation jungler and I generate gold just by doing the dragon dance.
Seriously. The Conservation junglers already have tons of options for how to dictate the pace of the game and the position of the Wriggle's jungler. There's no need for the item itself to force them into interactions.
well yea ur right, but like i said why would you even give junglers that item that's counterintuitive to how they're supposed to play
like isn't the lee a lot more positive to the game (can't believe i'm writing this) than the yi that's just "fuck my lanes!"
like i guess there's some strategy in everyone picking super safe lanes so they just passively farm so they have like 3 carries rather than 2 but that sounds super boring to me
edit: i'm not saying the item is better or whatever (when it's not broken), i'm saying that the style of play of the item is dumb :/
like isn't the lee a lot more positive to the game (can't believe i'm writing this) than the yi that's just "fuck my lanes!"
like i guess there's some strategy in everyone picking super safe lanes so they just passively farm so they have like 3 carries rather than 2 but that sounds super boring to me
edit: i'm not saying the item is better or whatever (when it's not broken), i'm saying that the style of play of the item is dumb :/
what
carry doesnt mean damage
elise and eve arent dmg junglers anyway
the term "carry junglers" is misused and misunderstood
riot are referring to "carry class" - in the sense that they must farm and auto attack to be strong
kha elise eve and lee are all good gankers, not meant to be farmers. flare is there for those who want to auto attack n deal damages n farm a lil more. ideal late game scenarios
so if they are too strong - you can delay their power spike, make them weaker pre power spike, lower their power spike (would require nerfing wriggles too)
well whatever you want to call them they're the alternative to the jungler type junglers were whining about for all season 2 and 3: slow tanky initiator junglers.
instead all of those champions are mobile, fun, deal tons of damage and scale well.
Imperfected
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The item doesn't tell you not to gank, though. It gives stacks for kills and assists. Like, that's actually kind of perplexing to me from a design stand-point, but I guess that's why they did it; so if someone's just reading the item description and trying to figure out what it's for they'll be like, "Oh I can gank too so it's just whatever."
(Well, that and the rate of stacking goes to absolute shit late-game if you don't grant it off kills and assists.)
yea i'm just thinking about it how it is gonna be after it gets nerfed, or at least how it's supposed to be in idea.
like the idea is that you selfishly lose lane pressure in exchange for lategame power. i don't like that at all.
Imperfected
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Well, there's already sort of junglers who do that, though. I mean, any jungler who's super reliant on rushing Lv6 already sort of traded early game lane presence for late-game power by default. Especially the mummy; poor lil' guy's just practically non-existent until six.
Imperfected
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It's deceptive.
The item's pretty good as soon as it transforms, but in most games you won't actually get as many stacks on it after transformation as you would hope because of the way the game changes after laning phase breaks down. Like, late game you're either going to be sieging/forcing objectives or under siege most of the time, and you're sharing jungle camps across the entire team since you're mostly moving as a group.
You don't really see Nasus Q-like scaling on it. It's a nice little "bump" late-game, but it just isn't going to scale linearly in most circumstances.
The item's pretty good as soon as it transforms, but in most games you won't actually get as many stacks on it after transformation as you would hope because of the way the game changes after laning phase breaks down. Like, late game you're either going to be sieging/forcing objectives or under siege most of the time, and you're sharing jungle camps across the entire team since you're mostly moving as a group.
You don't really see Nasus Q-like scaling on it. It's a nice little "bump" late-game, but it just isn't going to scale linearly in most circumstances.
Imperfected
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Gat-dangit brian.
wait you're making it sound like crap
why is people buying it then :?
i'm not a jungler
stop confusing me -_-
Imperfected
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It's not crap, on champions who have natural auto-attack steroids (Nocturne, Xin Zhao, Aatrox, etc.) it's pretty good as soon as you transform it, and any stacking you get is icing on the cake.
People building it on like Eve, though? Yeah, I dunno. I think they might just be caught up in the hype and not actually getting their money's worth.
Orochinagis
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I love support, so she will be my next purchase I think, thanks
EDIT: Shiv is a tank!!??
Imperfected
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Yes. She gets a bunch of free tank stats (Armor/MR) in dragon form and doesn't need many damage items to kill people, which are what you want in a tank. A full-build Shyvana is one of the most obnoxiously unkillable things in the game.
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
There is no honor in GAF games.
Imperfected
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Woah, now. Even the Russians don't send criminals anywhere less populated than Siberia, that's just cruel.
Orochinagis
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Did aether wing Kayle was in discount in the past? I want to buy it but maybe Riot would put that skin in discount later
yea she's a tank. takes a bit to ramp up but lategame she's a (literal) monster
love your new avatar T_T
got a full pic :3?
Cloudius12
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Pretty sure Aether Wing Kayle won't go on sale.
Legendary skins don't go on sale. The only exceptions have been former legendary skins that are now legacy, so they get price reductions when those do.
ok i just started reading this rich lewie article and he already has improved by like 150% with this: "...emperor penguins gathering together for warmth, only more disgusting.."
i mean his tone is still so abrasive to read, but at least this time he str8 up says that all the information is from google searches
this article is pretty good and the topic is good
http://www.esportsheaven.com/articles/view/5194
i wish he'd talk about the unique(? iunno i only started watching pro gaming when league came around) position Riot has in controlling and regulating this thing that is probably their baby; their hand is at least evident in NA/EU
dood has leveled up to an editorial for a college paper
i mean his tone is still so abrasive to read, but at least this time he str8 up says that all the information is from google searches
this article is pretty good and the topic is good
http://www.esportsheaven.com/articles/view/5194
i wish he'd talk about the unique(? iunno i only started watching pro gaming when league came around) position Riot has in controlling and regulating this thing that is probably their baby; their hand is at least evident in NA/EU
dood has leveled up to an editorial for a college paper
oh no. not hon. I love hon!
Cloudius12
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Ban Yi and Evelynn.
It's true.
You night not like it but IMO empowering different playstyles is golden.
league of legends is a mean game
variety for variety's sake isn't a goal i agree with
if i think it makes the game worse (as playing against a yi or tryndamere every single game is) then i don't think supporting that playstyle is golden
toes are cute
Imperfected
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I thought Lux got military skins because she's in the military?
Disclaimer: I only know lore from people joking about it in-game, I could be totally wrong here.
Disclaimer: I only know lore from people joking about it in-game, I could be totally wrong here.
yea she's like a child soldier of sorts but also like a spy or something also i think she's adopted and likes to turn invisible even tho she can't do it in the game unfortunately
When she was on PBE her shield used to be an invisibility buff. It worked the same, such that you could make your whole team invisible.
yea i heard
would've been pretty broken for then but sounds like rito would try and make it work now
also i really do hope they do like a popstar skin line for like champions that already have like kpop dances like syndra and shyvanna and like ezreal.
ahri's skin is tame enough for people to give it a break and it's like my favorite skin of them all since it has two dances and has like special particle effects and it's pink and shit
Yes, there was a minor outrage on the forums at the time because her Q was a ripoff of Morgana Q.
so basically shes an uchiha?
i dunno this seems like a win for everybody involved
all goes back to that episode naruto joined the league of legends
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