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League of Legends |OT6| My AP Mid Can't Be This Cute
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Sigismundo
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Is C9 still a top NA team?
BriseFlots
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It doesn't
Yes, they're probably the best NA team at the moment.
yep.
Sigismundo
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Cheers. Was having a discussion about how C9 (the company) would be very happy since both League and Dota C9 are really good.
most of the slippery slope suggestions violate riot's new policy about information being player accessible.
if anything it's less cheaty than lolnexus is.
i dont have access to my teammate's ult cds
Crab Milk Mickey
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Trundle top is solid if you're aware of his strengths and weaknesses. I'm not a fan of him in top lane and I much prefer using him in the jungle, but that's irrelevant here.
Anyways: generally speaking you don't want to pick a fight in the earliest of levels if the opposing laner does a decent job of trading back (like Renekton), so focus on farming and sustaining yourself if you take any damage. Once he's approaching level 6 you can start being more aggressive if you want and against most common top lane champions he'll do fine if not outright beat them. Ranged laners are a nightmare for Trundle top though: he has very little chance of ever touching the likes of Lissandra, Karma and Quinn without jungler assistance based on my own experiences. Don't ape the solo queue / LCS bandwagoners who blindly buy Blade of the Ruined King and Sunfire Cape (which is garbage) on him at all times; BoRK can be great on him, but not so much if you're struggling to auto-attack anyone (much less a high-priority target) at length. Another valid option for him with regards to offensive sustain is Hydra; it enhances Trundle's already potent split-pushing ability - by default he needs little time to whittle down structures on his own - and you'll be able to stay alive for longer if you intend to jump into the fray with multiple enemies surrounding you. If you're uncertain which lifesteal item to buy, then you can always stick to a Vamp Scepter and focus on buying a Trinity Force for increased damage in the mean time, which has fantastic synergy with Trundle. Spirit Visage is the MR item for him, alongside Hexdrinker / Maw of Malmortius to a lesser extent. Not a fan of Iceborn Gauntlet on Trundle (even if it's not bad for him per sé), Frozen Mallet can be alright if you'd rather be the tanky frontliner with loads of peeling / chasing potential, Randuin's Omen is a no-brainer, Thornmail can be decent and that about wraps up your obvious itemization choices. Stark's Fervor (or Zeke's Herald) is a situational pick-up for when multiple members of your team deal AD damage, and it allows you to be an obnoxious prick with Pillar spam.
Speaking of his Pillar: the minor knock-up on it is actually quite handy to abruptly cancel certain mobility skills like Shyvanna's, Tristana's or Jax' jump if you time it right, further increasing its versatility if you get the hang of it. Pillar allows you to help defend towers, greatly delay the follow-up of an enemy engage, continuously chase if you have the CDR for it, start sieging with relative ease alongside poke champions, safely check bushes thanks to its cast range and the vision it provides et cetera. It'll take a while to acquire an understanding of when and how to use this skill 'correctly' though, but that shouldn't be a surprise with a flexible tool like Pillar.
Given that you have played Ryze a bit in top lane, I'd suggest trying out Karma too. While not inherently beefy with her itemization (comparatively speaking), she can be deceptively resilient nonetheless thanks to her shield + Empowered W (the snare). Her cooldowns are fairly low, she has a noticeably stronger laning phase than Ryze against the typical melee top laner and she transitions well into late game (albeit differently) thanks to her overall utility. Her Empowered Q can hit hard, but mind you that it can be intercepted by minions or champions alike.
Elise top still works quite well.
Dragon / Baron timers, cooldowns on ally ultimates / summoner spells and overall gold income for both teams are pieces of information that should've already been officially available a long time ago and Riot realized that they also agree with that notion to some degree.
It does suck that not everyone has access to it currently, but it should've never taken so long to be implemented by them in the first place after Spectator Mode came to fruition.
sure you do. green dot+cdr+a table of ult cooldowns. it's just somewhat complex to do on the fly.
you can even trick curse voice by not leveling up your ult at 11 and 16.
in any event if you have voice chat you have easy access to an allies ult timer, if anything cursevoice levels the playing field for people who dont have mic's.
this is my issue with cursevoice. luckily they're supposedly only two weeks away from open beta. i guess these key releases are just a slow ramping stress test.
we've talked about this already dude
she doesn't work as a safe pick anymore for me
Stone Ocean
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Elise top should be better soon with the nerfed Dorans and since top lane is going to (probably) change in the next few patches. Right now though, Spectral Cowl can fuck right off.
Also on teammate CDs, yes you do. You can see when an ally used their ult, if you know the champion you know the cooldown and you can always just ask. There's nothing skillful about knowing when someone's ult is up, you're just wasting time asking them how long till it's up, there's no reason to have to track that shit.
Also on teammate CDs, yes you do. You can see when an ally used their ult, if you know the champion you know the cooldown and you can always just ask. There's nothing skillful about knowing when someone's ult is up, you're just wasting time asking them how long till it's up, there's no reason to have to track that shit.
cdr from runes n masteries isnt readily avilable to me unless i do stuff outside the game
ult cds arent readily avaukable
cd x cdr isnt ez for me too
basically the addon is doing work for me which is the slippery slope. u can argue what work is necessary n whats not, but thats the grey area that makes the slope
idk why we r discussing shoulds cos im using riots language here
and all this talk about that its gud n that i shudnt have to do this anyway assumes parity, which is impossible unless its part of the client.
ult cds arent readily avaukable
cd x cdr isnt ez for me too
basically the addon is doing work for me which is the slippery slope. u can argue what work is necessary n whats not, but thats the grey area that makes the slope
idk why we r discussing shoulds cos im using riots language here
and all this talk about that its gud n that i shudnt have to do this anyway assumes parity, which is impossible unless its part of the client.
Top is my fav.
i will let u duke it out with ferrio next time
Stone Ocean
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Curse Voice is a slope because it gives features outside of the game client, not because of the features per se.
Although timers are something the base game could really use, I do agree that this type of program could become problematic in the future, but the only reason this exists is because people actually want some of these features - players have been asking for some of the spectator mode features in-game for a long-ass time now. Put timers in the game, get rid of 3rd party programs, IMO.
Also if Rito ever makes my dream scythe-wielding girl champ I'll probably become a top laner.
Although timers are something the base game could really use, I do agree that this type of program could become problematic in the future, but the only reason this exists is because people actually want some of these features - players have been asking for some of the spectator mode features in-game for a long-ass time now. Put timers in the game, get rid of 3rd party programs, IMO.
Also if Rito ever makes my dream scythe-wielding girl champ I'll probably become a top laner.
Stone Ocean
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Although I would like it, no need to go full anime
Like they can just do whatever champ they want to do as long as it's A) female and B) uses a big-ass scythe as a weapon. Hell, make her a monster from the Shadow Isles or something.
PhillipCostigan
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One of Elise top's biggest problems is her mana costs and the amount of nerfs she received to her base damages.
I don't think it's very strong tbh.
Also, Braum practically confirmed for today's/tonight's PBE deploy.
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I don't think it's very strong tbh.
Also, Braum practically confirmed for today's/tonight's PBE deploy.
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It says DEAD if you pass the pit (and see it's dead) without vision of when it died specifically. It'll stay DEAD until the dot pops back up and you get LIVE.
i.e. Dragon's up. Curse voice says dragon: LIVE. It was killed in the fog of war, you still see it on your timer as LIVE. You pass the pit and see that it's dead. The timer now says DEAD and remains that way until the dot comes back and it reverts to LIVE. No timer.
Orochinagis
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What hell Vayne, why are you so squishy.
Terbinator
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Braum being the bropport?
PhillipCostigan
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Terbinator
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How else are you supposed to know when to type in your snarky 'no ward at x gg' comments?
Shut up, lick your own ovaries, uninstall, and kill yourself.
I'd like to point out that "lick your own ovaries" was actually said by the opposing team's Talon to their soon-to-rage quit Fiora in a game of mine last night.
CrabMilkMikey said:
I agree. While the hardcore players down in reddit scoff at the notion, there's no skill involved in remembering timers. The skill is in knowing what to do with that information. Hell, it would probably makes games flow faster.
Wolf Akela
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I don't know how it happened, but MF carried the game nearly by herself. 87% kill participation compared to like 50% for the rest. I survived bot but I was getting pushed easily. MF 4/0 dumpstered Yasuo top then told me to swap with her. She killed the 1v2 lane over and over. Yasuo somewhat freefarmed top but I can never win 1v1 since I had support setup.
Orochinagis
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Guys, how do I vayne?
Getting killed pretty fast with her and my team is always insulting me, good lord.
Getting killed pretty fast with her and my team is always insulting me, good lord.
Lol. That khazix barely had more money than the AFK garen. I like the AD janna too. Looks like an entertaining game.
Don't tumble INTO the enemy unless it's going to be a kill. Ideally though, I wouldn't recommend Vayne for a newer player. I made that mistake myself. I "mained" Vayne way back when because I heard she was the strongest hard carry. I regret a lot of that.
Terbinator
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You're wasting your own time and your supports, don't do it. There are better/easier ADCs to play that can carry just as hard and don't require the stars to align to be effective.
With all the discussion on cursed voice, maybe we could at least agree that it would be nice to provide dragon, baron, and ultimate timers in the ingame client. That wouldn't put additional server load on Riot, it would provide equal information to everyone without pressure to download third-party utilities and accidentally download a virus because you got one from your sketchy friend, and people could still use third-party voicechat programs.
If those three timer categories were in the client, I think that would be sufficient for me, but maybe there are other features I am not aware of.
If those three timer categories were in the client, I think that would be sufficient for me, but maybe there are other features I am not aware of.
Orochinagis
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Welp, I cant refund her so yeah....ragequit then
well you see you're at a crossroads
most adc players at one point in their careers get to stand at the exact same spot you're standing. they find themselves failing at vayne, their mechanics incapable of matching the skill required to master the mythical champion and their wills broken by the lack of light in overcoming their struggle, and are suddenly met with two opposite paths to follow
they can either take the path of the strong, swallow their pride, play another champion, never look back and make the world a better place
or they can take the path of the weak, continuing to vayne at the expense of others around them, pathetically excusing themselves with words like "no peel" or "no ganks", dragging everyone around them with them into the abyss of elo hell
now it's time to ask yourself... which path will you take?
most adc players at one point in their careers get to stand at the exact same spot you're standing. they find themselves failing at vayne, their mechanics incapable of matching the skill required to master the mythical champion and their wills broken by the lack of light in overcoming their struggle, and are suddenly met with two opposite paths to follow
they can either take the path of the strong, swallow their pride, play another champion, never look back and make the world a better place
or they can take the path of the weak, continuing to vayne at the expense of others around them, pathetically excusing themselves with words like "no peel" or "no ganks", dragging everyone around them with them into the abyss of elo hell
now it's time to ask yourself... which path will you take?
I don't recommend playing Vayne until you have mastery of good positioning. That means playing a lot of ADCs who are heavily positioning reliable. MF, Twitch and Draven come to mind. Vayne isn't really that much more squishy than other ADCs though, that's a misconception.
Stone Ocean
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Well she does have one of the lowest base HP pools (359 compared to most 389-425 only Ezreal is lower at 350) and the lowest base armor (13.3 compared to most around 18). It's small but adds up. Especially with the tendency for Vayne players to tumble offensively.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Anyone have a Curse Voice beta key I can use? I guess it's time I start playing again after my six month absence. I have an infant and Dota 2 games take way too long
I posted my 5 here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=108967656&postcount=8347
I know a couple were taken at least. Might be an unclaimed in that group though.
Jeez, man. I went on a 4 win streak, got up to 64 LP, and then lost two straight (one AFK, one a duo queue troll team that intentionally fed) and all of a sudden I'm back to 16, facing demotion if I lose another one. I swear, LP is like money, it's hard to come by, but it's dang easy to exhaust.
So that slight debuff to heal is definitely going to be a good idea. I played in a game last night where the entire team took heal "for the lulz," but it made them ridiculous in team fights when midway through the big engagement they all chain healed.
So that slight debuff to heal is definitely going to be a good idea. I played in a game last night where the entire team took heal "for the lulz," but it made them ridiculous in team fights when midway through the big engagement they all chain healed.
Top or feed
Every few months I think to myself "maybe I'm good enough to play her now" and try her for a few games again and realise I'm not.
I honestly think it's more my tendency to think im doublelift and try to go for big outplays rather than just playing safe like i would on other carries.
PhillipCostigan
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Twitch is still amazing fun.
750 stack Nasus is not very fun.
750 stack Nasus is not very fun.
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