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League of Legends |OT6| My AP Mid Can't Be This Cute
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Stone Ocean
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Huh? They nerfed her wave clear. Pretty damn hard in fact.
Hmm? Is she incapable of killing the minions with a Distortion + Mimicked Distortion after this nerf?
I assumed this was mainly for the Mimic W harass on players.
WesternHeretic
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Where's the link for the new patch?
on phone but surrenderat20 always has these up pdq.
I know right.
Link some bits of the patch notes, don't link actual link to the patch notes.
Stone Ocean
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She doesn't wave clear with just her W once early game is over, she needs her Mimic W for it and this will probably make it so she can't just W-W2 and wave clear at all points of the game.
That's going to make it pretty rough for Kayle against mid-lane assassins. I almost always pick Talon to counter Kayle, because I can silence and burst her down so easily. Take away some of her range, and it's going to make going all in on her even easier. Maybe the attack speed was the issue, not the range, I don't know.
Whatever, it'll be interesting to see how it impacts her play.
Whatever, it'll be interesting to see how it impacts her play.
Kind of is though. She's incredibly squishy so you need to know what the hell you're doing even more now.
Her late game will still be busted. I'm happy LeBlanc is gone. Her safe burst has been so stupid for so long.
Stone Ocean
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Talon can jump at her far from her auto range already. Same goes for most mid laners.
This changes literally nothing. If you can do shit Vs Kayle at 475 range, you almost certainly can do the same to her at 525 range.
It's going to reduce the damage output she can do to a guy like Talon though. Yes, he can jump in at any time now, but he's not going to be taking shots from her up until that point.
Stone Ocean
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Like I said, someone like Talon can already jump at her before she even gets in auto attack range. Talon's E has 700 range, even considering the differences between auto attack and spell ranges, he'll still easily jump at her even without the nerf.
Wanna nerf Kayle for real? Reduce Q range.
PhillipCostigan
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the range nerf hurts her team fighting so damn much it's not right.
if they want to do a nerf to Kayle that won't ruin her they can nerf the AP scaling for the movement speed on her W and/or her ult cooldown.
I feel like the people saying the range nerf on kayle is nothing are people who haven't/don't play Kayle much at all. It's massive.
if they want to do a nerf to Kayle that won't ruin her they can nerf the AP scaling for the movement speed on her W and/or her ult cooldown.
I feel like the people saying the range nerf on kayle is nothing are people who haven't/don't play Kayle much at all. It's massive.
Mister Negative
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it's time
after this game Dignitas will either be the worst team in NA or the best
there is no middle ground.
after this game Dignitas will either be the worst team in NA or the best
there is no middle ground.
...it's not a counter.
Speaking of our afk/disconnect discussion, here are tonight's adventures:
Game 1 ranked, my internet died halfway through, and two players were disconnecting and/or going afk occasionally. It was basically a dance of who was causing a 4v5 at any time. Someone said their friend was having connection problems but I didn't understand if it was no the other team or in a different game.
Game 2 ranked, other team top laner ragequits for 10+ minutes, but no one ever joins 5 people in one lane so we don't get more than 1 inhib. The other team kept winning 2v3 fights. Convincing people to have 5 in a lane is virtually impossible, as normal in bronze/silver. Enemy ragequitter came back right about the time that our mid laner went afk (parents made them quit) permanently.
Given Rex's example of 5 in a row games with afks/disconnects I'm sure this may only be the beginning. =P I feel that both games were very winnable (in the second one we literally had lost no towers before the mid laner quit), which makes it hurt even more.
Even the other team's mid laner, after winning, said "bg" "games not worth playing man" "dc's afks eveywhere".
*edit* Game 3 ranked, enemy ADC disconnects/afk's. Their name was red on the end screen. Later on, our support disconnect/afk's (dying right about the same time). Neither player ever came back.
Game 1 ranked, my internet died halfway through, and two players were disconnecting and/or going afk occasionally. It was basically a dance of who was causing a 4v5 at any time. Someone said their friend was having connection problems but I didn't understand if it was no the other team or in a different game.
Game 2 ranked, other team top laner ragequits for 10+ minutes, but no one ever joins 5 people in one lane so we don't get more than 1 inhib. The other team kept winning 2v3 fights. Convincing people to have 5 in a lane is virtually impossible, as normal in bronze/silver. Enemy ragequitter came back right about the time that our mid laner went afk (parents made them quit) permanently.
Given Rex's example of 5 in a row games with afks/disconnects I'm sure this may only be the beginning. =P I feel that both games were very winnable (in the second one we literally had lost no towers before the mid laner quit), which makes it hurt even more.
Even the other team's mid laner, after winning, said "bg" "games not worth playing man" "dc's afks eveywhere".
*edit* Game 3 ranked, enemy ADC disconnects/afk's. Their name was red on the end screen. Later on, our support disconnect/afk's (dying right about the same time). Neither player ever came back.
wtf at the lebonk changes
those can't be right
like it's undeniable she deserved pretty big nerfs but really cutting her damage in half looks like we're missing something
edit: kayle imo needs to be scrapped and started over. she's like two champions stitched together, they should change her to either support or apc, but not this messy mix of both.
those can't be right
like it's undeniable she deserved pretty big nerfs but really cutting her damage in half looks like we're missing something
edit: kayle imo needs to be scrapped and started over. she's like two champions stitched together, they should change her to either support or apc, but not this messy mix of both.
Tizoc
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What's the source of these changes? ...and where can I read about Kayle's nerfs?
EDIT: Oh its from surrenderat20, will go check it out now.
How bad is the lowered distance on her E gonna be exactly? Would it make her in range of certain abilities from champs?
Tizoc
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The website was loading slow for me, but as is I'm not seeing how bad the reduction of her E range is unless it puts her in closer range of certain long range abilities.
well she was already low range even with her e on and now it's 50 less (400->350)
it doesn't sound like much but it's actually asking her to misposition a whole lot for everything so i think it's a pretty big nerf and might get her dumpstered.
personally i think her ult is cool and deserves a better champion so i hope they eventually rework her to a healthier support-only kit.
I feel like your every single one of your posts is just designed to troll me.
Because riot decided to give him a snowball passive right before the season they attempted to lower snowballing.
Orochinagis
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I need that nami skin right now, looks like they put it in the patch but is locked till they release it right?
Yeah, Kayle can no longer attack safe
Yeah, Kayle can no longer attack safe
Mister Negative
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fabbyyy made it famous
snowball passive i'm guessing
Ouch. Braum W nerf is fair but looks rough on paper
Level 1-2 nerfs on it are completely reasonable but I wish they didn't touch the level 3-5 on it.
I'd be happy with 10/15/25/27.5/30 flat armour and magic resist
10/15/20/25/30 seems a bit rough since supports are usually the lowest level on the team.
Level 1-2 nerfs on it are completely reasonable but I wish they didn't touch the level 3-5 on it.
I'd be happy with 10/15/25/27.5/30 flat armour and magic resist
10/15/20/25/30 seems a bit rough since supports are usually the lowest level on the team.
Stone Ocean
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Kayle was meant for a Sion-like - as in, nothing being kept - rework before AP Kayle became a thing, so Riot just kept balancing her around that.
I can easily see her getting the Gragas treatment soon. Invincibility will always be a problem.
look the payoff when the camera pans over to check on seraph and dexter during early laning
and they are not there
they are somewhere else
somewhere we can't touch them
Orochinagis
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You will have fun with Udyr then
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Laning against Leblanc with Swain, this is not going to be fun
Wolf Akela
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Actually not a bad matchup at all.
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
I was bursted 3 times by Leblanc before the game crashed.
Might as well get better with Swain.
Might as well get better with Swain.
Riot sucked tonight. Upwards of 1 min reconnection screens for almost everyone in my ranked game. Our Lucian never comes back after one of them. Probably because our zyra was so toxic. After so many games without disconnects it has to happen on my only ranked game in weeks. Sigh. I don't mind a straight up loss but we had the better team comp by a mile and weren't losing too hard. Should have been a win.
PS. New panth ult sucks. Takes forever to land. Skin is sweet though. Too bad they fucked the champ.
Back to D3 for another 27 days.
PS. New panth ult sucks. Takes forever to land. Skin is sweet though. Too bad they fucked the champ.
Back to D3 for another 27 days.
Tanky Swain is a god
This is a thing I guess: http://dunkey.bandcamp.com/album/dunkeys-album
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