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League of Legends |OT6| My AP Mid Can't Be This Cute
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WORTH had me in stitches. that better be his death sound.
Mister Negative
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half the thread would be "looks like doto gj riot stealing again"
BurnOutBrighter
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The recent champs and VUs fit really well with the new SR design, you can tell they've had this plan from the beginning.
Mister Negative
Member
I'm trying to think what the latest champ that doesn't really fit the style is. Most of the recent champs and VUs have thick black lines, and are almost comic book-y in appearance.
Crab Milk Mickey
Member
Ferrio, please, I beg of you. "Of" is not a verb.
In all seriousness: where did the merchant from the current Summoner's Rift go? He's a loveable little rascal.
One step closer to my "visible team gold in scoreboard" request!
After putting some time into him, I feel Vel'koz his kit is fine outside of the fact that he'll need be looked after by his teammates somewhat, akin to Kog'maw. Just a high skill cap champion and very much reliant on good positioning instead of being clunky like Viktor.
Pass the memo for Dominion ranked please.
In all seriousness: where did the merchant from the current Summoner's Rift go? He's a loveable little rascal.
It's not an issue with Dota 2, no.
I hope those item lines are going to be put on all his skins.
Your anger fuels me.
PhillipCostigan
Member
I'll make a thread.
We'll see how this goes.
We'll see how this goes.
i love how there's always like 6 doters lurking every league thread ready to state doto superiority whenever questioned
do you guys take shifts or something so you're covered at all times?
yea maybe poorly designed was too harsh
also i think you meant "velkoz's kit", not "vel'koz his kit" btw
you know, just being a correcting bitch like someone i know :3
ready your weapons friends
inb4 'league isn't free like dota'
I'll buy you a skin if dota isn't mentioned within the first 10 replies and people aren't just replying to get you your skin!
Wait you're not on NA are you? Well then you're screwed either way!
Crab Milk Mickey
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Technically it would be "Vel'koz' kit" if I didn't resort to "his!"
dave is ok
aztek is ok
You asked a question, he gave an answer.i love how there's always like 6 doters lurking every league thread ready to state doto superiority whenever questioned
do you guys take shifts or something so you're covered at all times?
I don't really know how the fixed camera position affects the view in League and why Dota doesn't have the same problem between Dire and Radiant.
Stone Ocean
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There will be blood.
You know what needs to be done now Newt.
you know i wanted to make sure since english is not my first language so i tried to think of an english word that ended with a z. that took a while but i finally came up with fez
went to wikipedia and found this line "Fez's puzzles are built around the core mechanic of rotating between four 2D views of a 3D space, as four sides around a cube, where the environment realigns between views to create new paths."
so you know, i'm not sure technically which one's right but you can't say i didn't do my homework
question was rhetorical tho, like in that same post i'm literally saying doto doesn't have the issue. why is the actual question i was hoping anyone could maybe answer
anyways i always find it suspect when i get an answer like that (which isn't a useful explanation but just a straight out "no") out of somebody i don't know, that's all
PhillipCostigan
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edit: oops DP
LMAO! 1 fucking minute.
Because for once we're going to derail our own thread first goddamit!!
Came here to do drive-by gloating; see other people already took care of it.
Radiant and Dire sides also aren't symmetrical across the river, and the differences are far more significant than Purple vs Blue.
Radiant:
Better mid block
Accessible jungle camps near mid
Camera advantage
Easier to farm Ancients
Dire:
Safer Jungle overall (resistant to warding)
Better access to rosh
Easier to stack Ancients
In practice, Radiant actually has a huge advantage over Dire, but only in the early game. As the game approaches 45 minutes, Dire gets better and better due to Rosh access. The win rates fortunately average out to the neighborhood of 1:1, so no one really complains.
People on Blue side see more of Purple than vice versa. I made a grafick the last time this came up:
Blue sees somewhere in the neighborhood of 12% more of Purple in a typical situation.
In DOTA2, it's about 7%.
Radiant and Dire sides also aren't symmetrical across the river, and the differences are far more significant than Purple vs Blue.
Radiant:
Better mid block
Accessible jungle camps near mid
Camera advantage
Easier to farm Ancients
Dire:
Safer Jungle overall (resistant to warding)
Better access to rosh
Easier to stack Ancients
In practice, Radiant actually has a huge advantage over Dire, but only in the early game. As the game approaches 45 minutes, Dire gets better and better due to Rosh access. The win rates fortunately average out to the neighborhood of 1:1, so no one really complains.
Good analysis Haly, and this is indeed the crux of the issues between the sides (not map differences). Our camera adjustments do a *bit* to solve for this, but they're not going to fix the issue outright.Came here to do drive-by gloating; see other people already took care of it.
People on Blue side see more of Purple than vice versa. I made a grafick the last time this came up:
Blue sees somewhere in the neighborhood of 12% more of Purple in a typical scenario situation.
In DOTA2, it's about 7%.
Radiant and Dire sides also aren't symmetric across the river, and the differences are far more significant than Purple vs Blue.
Radiant:
Better Mid Block
Accessible jungle camps near mid
Camera advantage
Dire:
Safer Jungle overall (resistant to warding)
Better access to rosh
Bot ancient farming
In practice, Radiant actually has a huge advantage over Dire, but only in the early game. As the game approaches 45 minutes, Dire gets better and better due to Rosh access. The win rates fortunately average out to the neighborhood of 1:1, so no one really complains.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Add a hole in the wall behind Baron.
Riot pls
Riot pls
Or put dragon and baron smack dab in the middle of the river with each side having an entrance (still located around the same area on the map).
I'd like to point out one more thing, which is that the camera issues in League is compounded by the snowbally nature of the current meta. When victory often boils down to pure numerical superiority, a difference in camera perspective becomes much more significant than it would in a game like DOTA2, which is more volatile and tiny differences are mitigated by the importance of tactics and strategy.
Every advantage, ironically, matters more in League, than it does in DOTA2.
Every advantage, ironically, matters more in League, than it does in DOTA2.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Can the ADC still do Golems on bottom lane, or did they fix that with different spawn timers?
I kind of hate how they try for a perfectly symmetrical map in LoL
I kind of hate how they try for a perfectly symmetrical map in LoL
Not before the start of the game. By the time they're up and can kill them you'd miss a bunch of minions. Having that in the game was horrible though. What a strange thing to be nostalgic for.
Terbinator
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In a game reliant on numbers?
Them Ndialee nerfs! Finally. Also, dem WC skins sogood.gif
SR still shit tier tho
dave is ok
aztek is ok
I'm not nostalgic for it, but I like how it changed the game. It made the ADC and Support for Purple side go top instead of bottom and had an interesting 1v2 1v1 2v1 lane setup that allowed for rotations, which of course got changed because Riot hates fun.
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this still happens all the time in competitive. in fact nowadays it's happening often that teams are letting adcs solo lane while supports go help top laners and there's a lot of weird 2 early jungling into 4v1/4v0 going on
Terbinator
Member
You haven't played it recently, then?
Stone Ocean
Member
1v2 lanes didn't start because of the Golem changes.
Also 1v2 lanes are far from fun. And they're still around.
i'm pretty sure the current map isn't properly optimized (stuff obscuring your view, maybe weird pathfinding? who knows) for something like that
maybe with the visual update?
Yep. The art assets are designed to be viewed from the current camera angle. We're doing this for performance and art. Think 3DS Zelda: http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news...eveal-trick-required-for-top-down-view-in-3d/
I don't want to preclude the possibility in the future, but it's not in our current plans.
Can't think of any other explanation:
http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/blue-vs-purple
Classic Game
Blue Team Winrate: 53.2%
Purple Team Winrate: 46.8%
ARAM
Blue Team Winrate: 54.7%
Purple Team Winrate: 45.3%
Dominion
Blue Team Winrate: 51.7%
Purple Team Winrate: 48.3%
It can't be coincidence that the one map with Left-Right symmetry has a more even ratio than Bottom Left-Top Right symmetry. Note how when you remove Baron, Dragon, Jungle, all that stuff from the game as in ARAM, the win rate difference shoots up to 9.4%.
I check out LCS from time to time. I see Dual pistols guy, Thresh, Zyra, Zygg, a few others whose names slip my mind. No kills happening until 15 minutes in.
I'm not certain what's happening in these games exactly because I don't play it anymore, but I'm pretty sure it has to do with making your numbers go up, particularly the number that indicates Gold.
PhillipCostigan
Member
so you haven't watched it recently then.
good to know that we don't have to pay attention to posts like that from you.
good to know that we don't have to pay attention to posts like that from you.
ok that seems right
so if that 5% vision difference is the bigger source of the problem, why not just tilt it a bit?
no need to do any fancy 180° shit, just tilt it so that it helps purple side a bit. not even 5% BETTER, just like 2% or something. it can't be THAT bad in "experience" and it could be potentially amazing for the game
nome, why are you still so concerned if most of the issue lies in just camera angle? like prepare this new map for a new camera angle, rotate it and be done with it
i bet people would be initially annoyed but most will agree that it's worth it
so if that 5% vision difference is the bigger source of the problem, why not just tilt it a bit?
no need to do any fancy 180° shit, just tilt it so that it helps purple side a bit. not even 5% BETTER, just like 2% or something. it can't be THAT bad in "experience" and it could be potentially amazing for the game
nome, why are you still so concerned if most of the issue lies in just camera angle? like prepare this new map for a new camera angle, rotate it and be done with it
i bet people would be initially annoyed but most will agree that it's worth it
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