Mister Negative
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Yeah, I'm really only comparing him to Vi, who has her E. Panth's E doesn't really do much to creeps until you start maxing it.
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League of Legends |OT6| My AP Mid Can't Be This Cute
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Yeah, I'm really only comparing him to Vi, who has her E. Panth's E doesn't really do much to creeps until you start maxing it.
I'm not even sure I'd say they're weak. Average sure. Once he has level 3 E with spirit stone he clears fast enough. I never feel like my clear times are holding me back from what I need to get done. New Wriggle's helped out a ton in that regard when I fooled around with clearing speeds on the PBE.
Patch notes are officially up. Here's hoping for more Naut buffs (I don't think those buffs will help) and some Sejuani buffs in the future. I miss playing them.
patchnotes are up: http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-44-notes
it's all relative. compared to the junglers that everyone plays xin zhao is slow, and the lack of aoe clear hurts his midgame clearing a lot. the new wriggles upgrade can potentially change a lot though, we'll see if it's enough to help auto-attack dependent champs. riot still doesn't have a solution for tank champ clears though.
Glorious Kassadin nerfs. Let's see if he still becomes ridiculous. His mana costs for consecutive ult casts are insane. 75 -> 150 -> 300 -> 600 -> 1200 for max stacks? Damn.
Which supports my statement that Lee is perfect. Lee Sin needs some nerfs or they could just start buffing a lot of the others to compensate.
I max E first and once I pick up SotAG/SotEL his AoE clear is good too because getting two quick uses off per camp is easy. Not as fast as the top tier junglers, sure, but I don't think he's slow. Maybe playing junglers like Skarner and Udyr has spoiled you =P.
Agreed on the tank clears, save Nautilus and Amumu. Just awful clear times.
Mister Negative
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He has a pretty mediocre win rate though, at like a constant 48% I'm not saying that means he's not overpowered, but it's probably a better indicator of balance than how many people play him
He has a pretty mediocre win rate though, at like a constant 48% I'm not saying that means he's not overpowered, but it's probably a better indicator of balance than how many people play him
Win rates are not an indicator of balance at all.
BurnOutBrighter
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Aww yeah, time to pick up Nautilus again.
Kenny Blankenship
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man why they gotta do that to kassadin as soon as im getting decent at him. Leblanc blows up ppl much easier and has a silence, wheres her nerf
quoting dis for every1 to see
n with naut buffs, anybody who plays sejuani jungle is just a jerk
Stone Ocean
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They are one of them, but not absolute and very often irrelevant.
In Lee's case, you can easily pin that rate on his skill cap, with players failing to play him right.
lee sins win rate doesnt surpass 50% until plat~diamond
n thats good.
i think tho, that his free flash is pretty obnoxious,. make it cost more if jumping to non champ target or somethin. plus his monster execute isnt in line with other champs right now (nerf them all but leave lee sin at max 400? what)
n thats good.
i think tho, that his free flash is pretty obnoxious,. make it cost more if jumping to non champ target or somethin. plus his monster execute isnt in line with other champs right now (nerf them all but leave lee sin at max 400? what)
I would say it's a lot more of an indicator than how popular the champion is tho
Imperfected
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Hey, it's not Naut's fault Sej isn't worth using. It's Amumu's.
Terbinator
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That Vi Q nerf is way over the top.
Mister Negative
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just played my first game ever on lee and went 8/2/10
what a stupid champ
my ping isn't low enough to pull off fancy combos i tried to flash kick people a couple of times but it didnt work.
what a stupid champ
my ping isn't low enough to pull off fancy combos
i tried to flash kick people a couple of times but it didnt work.story of my life.
but to be fair a lot of the demotes happened when the servers were getting absolutely destroyed. kind of why i just stopped doing ranked and haven't started since. the ddos scared me too much.
I hate this shit
Imperfected
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No. You just build him as an AD caster, Frozen Mallet is a tank ite... you know what, it's not even a tank item. Just don't build it.
Mister Wilhelm
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HOLY FUCK THOSE PATCH NOTES
Motherfuckers...get ready for the rise of AP KOG MAW.
AP Kog is a hyper carry right NOW without these buffs. Granted, his early game is pretty bad but he starts to spike hard mid and late game. This is with essentially only two spells he uses regularly.
Now his Q is viable as FUCK. Increased range? Increased base damage? 20/22/24/26/28% SHRED OF BOTH MR AND ARMOR? HOLY HELL. The slightly lower AP ratio don't mean anything.
Oh wait, it's a skill shot now? WHO GIVES A SHIT?? You don't really use Q to trade in lane now because of the range. When you do use it, it's to defend against an all-in where the other carry is close enough to land it, meaning it'll be simple enough in that situation.
Plus, with his E unchanged, the slow will make it easy to land as a combo.
AND WHAT ABOUT THAT W??? Free easy lane harassment. FREE. All damn day. With just a few levels, most mids aren't going to be able to deal with it.
AND IT GETS BETTER! His core item (tear) was recently buffed.
The only thing that will stop him is hard counter AP assassins like Lebonkers, Graggy, etc. Believe though, the Lebonkers nerfs are coming.
Unfortunately, once people wise up, the AP Kog nerfs will come as well.
Calling it now, AP Kog FOTM and immediate nerfs, rendering his ADC role weaker again. They're gonna have to flat-out remake him at some point.
Motherfuckers...get ready for the rise of AP KOG MAW.
AP Kog is a hyper carry right NOW without these buffs. Granted, his early game is pretty bad but he starts to spike hard mid and late game. This is with essentially only two spells he uses regularly.
Now his Q is viable as FUCK. Increased range? Increased base damage? 20/22/24/26/28% SHRED OF BOTH MR AND ARMOR? HOLY HELL. The slightly lower AP ratio don't mean anything.
Oh wait, it's a skill shot now? WHO GIVES A SHIT?? You don't really use Q to trade in lane now because of the range. When you do use it, it's to defend against an all-in where the other carry is close enough to land it, meaning it'll be simple enough in that situation.
Plus, with his E unchanged, the slow will make it easy to land as a combo.
AND WHAT ABOUT THAT W??? Free easy lane harassment. FREE. All damn day. With just a few levels, most mids aren't going to be able to deal with it.
AND IT GETS BETTER! His core item (tear) was recently buffed.
The only thing that will stop him is hard counter AP assassins like Lebonkers, Graggy, etc. Believe though, the Lebonkers nerfs are coming.
Unfortunately, once people wise up, the AP Kog nerfs will come as well.
Calling it now, AP Kog FOTM and immediate nerfs, rendering his ADC role weaker again. They're gonna have to flat-out remake him at some point.
He has a pretty mediocre win rate though, at like a constant 48% I'm not saying that means he's not overpowered, but it's probably a better indicator of balance than how many people play him
Doesn't the relatively high skill barrier combined with possible mirror lee-sins (blind pick modes), pull his win rate down?
Looking over the league pedia stuff, Lee's 2014 win rate has been amazing (outside of the NA).
http://lol.gamepedia.com/Lee_Sin_-_The_Blind_Monk
Meanwhile Vi has a mediocre win rate.
http://lol.gamepedia.com/Vi_-_the_Piltover_Enforcer
And Elise ... well she is the most banned jungler. And deservedly so.
http://lol.gamepedia.com/Elise_-_The_Spider_Queen
Sr Kitsune
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This is solo queue, right? The other is competetive
I almost spit my drink out when I read this. He repeatedly smacks his lips together, which is hilarious.
Tizoc
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So Attack Damage, Speed and Critical?
Imperfected
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No Attack Speed, and usually not Critical either.
AD Casters do almost all their damage with their spells, so they don't build with the assumption they're going to get to auto-attack freely. Instead, they build straight AD, Armor Penetration, and Cooldown Reduction.
So, for Talon it's usually something like Brutalizer -> Bloodthirster -> Last Whisper, though depending on the lane you might grab a Hexdrinker in there rather than BT, and a lot of the time the BT will have to get put off until you get a defensive item. You could maybe also make a case for BotRK just for the active.
Tiamat's also a possibility, depending on the lane, but it's not super great on Talon. He's kind of a mess, itemization wise, unless you're playing him in the jungle (in which case Elder Lizard fills out his build neatly).
But why use that as a metric when we actually have pick/ban rates as well?
BurnOutBrighter said:
I don't see these nerfs helping all that much. 5% bonus health isn't all that great because it's still tied to an ability with an 18s cooldown. Speaking of which, the only place I see this helping Naut is clearing when you have 4+ points in Titan's Wrath early and mid-game. He clears so fast with it right now that it's still on cooldown by the time he gets to the next camp.
He needs something else. His CC isn't enough alone to justify picking him right now in light of other weaknesses.
A lot of talons damage comes from his spells, so straight ad and armor penetration are key.
Items like ravenous hydra, bloodthirster, last whisper etc.
i wonder if new lich bane might be a fun item to try on adc ezreal
like it's less damage but it's cheaper and it gives you some random magic damage which coupled with like sorc shoes might be kind of cool
probably not viable but maybe i'll try it lol
also so sad to see lux's name and yet another who the fuck cares indicator change
like it's less damage but it's cheaper and it gives you some random magic damage which coupled with like sorc shoes might be kind of cool
probably not viable but maybe i'll try it lol
also so sad to see lux's name and yet another who the fuck cares indicator change
BurnOutBrighter
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Elise has been nerfed so many times. I'd hate to see what she was like on release.
BurnOutBrighter
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I don't think he's that bad. He's got nothing but buffs since preseason, but the meta changed around him. Tankiness is now handled by top laners so junglers are focused on damage.
I've heard she was regarded as a weak champ on release. She didn't pick up momentum until a few months after.
yea people used to say she was awful at first. she got a good amount of buffs before people took her seriously
TharpDaddy
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She was. I recall on release people were confused about her, and mostly as an AP mid for a bit. It took some time for people to figure her out, much like Orianna.
Mister Wilhelm
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Laning against her as someone like Vlad was IMPOSSIBLE with her Q. It did so much goddamn damage and cost NOTHING.
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