Just fooling around in a custom game the passive is pretty damn big. Once I picked even an amp tome clearing times and sustain (w/ spirit stone) were excellent.
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Just fooling around in a custom game the passive is pretty damn big. Once I picked even an amp tome clearing times and sustain (w/ spirit stone) were excellent.
I was getting something like that on both NA and LAN (btw my LAN account is Ocho 2) . I think it's related to the server failure ddos etc.
cool, seems like they didn't cave to the whiners and they're still nerfing his early game
i wonder why rito hasn't moved his damage into flurry (like basic attacks while the flurry buff is active inflict X more physical damage) if they're going with the scaling attack speed thing.
i played a bit yesterday and yea, it was looking like that
dunno about hte other days, wasn't paying attention/playing much
true detective too stronk
i think that going nashors into tankiness might work pretty well. i've tried it on custom games with friends and on arams a bunch of times and it was really fun
like straight damage diana out of the jungle prolly wouldn't work since she'll be behind in levels unless super fed
i really don't think they are going to put more power into his e, or that it would make a big difference.
I feed on r/lol's tears. Nom nom nom.
dimb said:
Scruffy asked whether people wanted the skill as-is but stronger or change it so it interacts with AAs or Qs at the expense of making the initial slow weaker. The resounding answer in the boards was the latter option with the most popular change being that E applies a lower duration slow and a mark, pop the mark with an AA to extend the slow. Obviously nothing's come out of it (yet).
I don't really miss the permaslow, but right now that line slow E is just unbelievably bland and unsatisfying to use. I'm hopeful for changes.
Stone Ocean
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The whiners don't understand the reasoning behind the retune at all
He's getting nerfed period. Riot obviously doesn't like his early game so they're shifting some of the power of it into his late to compensate. But people somehow don't seem to understand while chanting LEAVE LEE ALONE that if they don't change his kit then he's next on the chopping block to get Olaf'd.
Imperfected
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But... Olaf's still completely terrifying. I actually have no valid reason I can think of he isn't getting played more, other than no one wants to be associated with Zuna.
i still wish rito would take a less drastic approach to nerfing/buffing champions, since it almost always seems to be off the mark. like the way rito does things always feels a bit half-baked, like they haven't been testing it long enough, and even if i usually agree with their decisions it feels to me like they could smooth these things over a lot better
probably doesn't apply to lee since i think it's a lot more about his kit being pretty bullshitty on top of his numbers being pretty cray. i'm just happy some people will drop him or stop playing the game and i might get to have a chill early game for once T_T
He's referring to what they did to Olaf pre- rework.
i still wish rito would take a less drastic approach to nerfing/buffing champions, since it almost always seems to be off the mark. like the way rito does things always feels a bit half-baked, like they haven't been testing it long enough, and even if i usually agree with their decisions it feels to me like they could smooth these things over a lot better
probably doesn't apply to lee since i think it's a lot more about his kit being pretty bullshitty on top of his numbers being pretty cray. i'm just happy some people will drop him or stop playing the game and i might get to have a chill early game for once T_T
The problem is that Fracture got augmented instead of overhauled. As an ability Fracture doesn't carry much feedback, even if it's actually kind of useful right now. Nothing about it is interesting or unique, and it mostly just interrupts play on Skarner. Before you could at least ignore it, but now it's baked into being a big part of his kit. I would guess this would be the hard part of working as a designer. Changing Fracture too much requires resources that take longer to implement, assuming they're even feasible to begin with.
Stone Ocean
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Considering Lee players are basically the Vayne players of the jungle, they won't be missed
Yep. Getting Olaf'd came from the Olaf nerfs that pretty much erased him after Voyboy started wrecking with him in Season 2
Imperfected
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Well, okay, but if "getting Olaf'd" means "eventually ending up a pretty good champion people can use", I'm not sure that carries the same weight anymore.
Maybe the lingo needs to be updated to "getting Corki'd".
Maybe the lingo needs to be updated to "getting Corki'd".
Agreed on all counts, but the feedback in general has been so bad for Skarner (I actually do still like him, for the record) that I'm hoping they're going to go back an revise the E despite it requiring additional resources.
I think my favorite part of the expression "Olaf'ed" is that even Riot uses it regularly.
On a side note, I've decide to add Diana, Gragas, and maybe Cho'Gath and Kha'Zix to my jungle tests. So at least another 20 games to go before I finally set my jungle picks. Crap.
PhillipCostigan
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their reasoning is dumb for the Lee changes.
"we want to reduce his early game damage, and we feel he doesn't do enough late game"
Chops 150 damage off his rank 3 ult at level 16. ok bud.
Attack speed on his passive is practically useless.
14 second cooldown on shield for self shielding, i.e. not ward-hopping but shielding yourself in fights/when doing camps. Why?
Q change means he loses a heap of baron and dragon control.
This is all so dumb.
"we want to reduce his early game damage, and we feel he doesn't do enough late game"
Chops 150 damage off his rank 3 ult at level 16. ok bud.
Attack speed on his passive is practically useless.
14 second cooldown on shield for self shielding, i.e. not ward-hopping but shielding yourself in fights/when doing camps. Why?
Q change means he loses a heap of baron and dragon control.
This is all so dumb.
do you have any idea just how good a 100% attack speed bonus is? they are taking damage away from his abilities and making it so lee sin has to auto-attack to do damage. now there is risk to his play because he actually has to put himself in a position where he is vulnerable instead of just skirting around fights tossing out abilities.
Imperfected
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Out of the junglers I've tested this season, Diana's still one of my favorites, along with Aatrox. I'm having a lot of fun with Fiora and Yasuo, too, though with the obvious caveat that they suck at conventional ganks and become borderline non-functional without red buff.
The only carry jungler who's really disappointed me is Zed. He just really doesn't roll right anymore, the jungle items don't work on him, and the timing to when you get a BotRK is just not conductive to good Zed-ing.
Possibly the one change I don't agree with.[/QUOTE]
Potentially near 100% uptime on a 100% attack speed steroid during his spell rotation is useless?
Because a good chunk of his dueling power early on is contained in his self-shield + Iron Will buffs. Letting Lee Sin self shield w/o penalty means he can engage, and if things turn sour because he underestimated the opponent, he can zip right out with a ward hop even easier than he does now (7 second CD from 9).
...good.
Stone Ocean
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You really shouldn't discredit the damage autos do, specially when Lee has been buying Elder Lizard lately
And yeah, I'd like to be able to outsmite Lee, thanks.
And yeah, I'd like to be able to outsmite Lee, thanks.
You will all probably think this is stupid. No matter, I just need some advice on something. Been playing more top, and using a lot of Renekton since I bought him. Being on EUW, I have been facing a lot more Garen lately.
I have really been struggling. I know Renekton is all about the early game, but I can never seem to go in on Garen. I try to dive in, stun him, q and get out. Often he will silence me, speed boost and spin to win which normally results in me losing the trade. If we get to six and I try and get into him on even health he will likely execute me. I have a similar issue with Darius but I have learnt to just not go in on him. Do I follow the same advice for Garen?
I have really been struggling. I know Renekton is all about the early game, but I can never seem to go in on Garen. I try to dive in, stun him, q and get out. Often he will silence me, speed boost and spin to win which normally results in me losing the trade. If we get to six and I try and get into him on even health he will likely execute me. I have a similar issue with Darius but I have learnt to just not go in on him. Do I follow the same advice for Garen?
Stone Ocean
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Vs Garen just buy a Hexdrinker and he can never execute you.
yup, that's my exact line of thinking
godspeed you fuckerssss
i dunno why so many lee sin players are so upset over the passive changes. most lee sin players were probably ignoring the passive since he's got stupid numbers in the first place, now with the 100% as buff you might get the two autos which is adding a 200% total ad ratio to your spell rotations for each spell.
being realistic you won't probably get too many but having that super attack speed will very likely make getting one off a lot easier than now and will probably end up in a good amount of damage that is not displayed on his spell numbers
that seems to be rito's reasoning to me, and looks like it's raising his ceiling even more but more importantly his skill floor which imo is pretty low as hell right now
i think froggen used him a couple times.
still don't understand how he made it work
PhillipCostigan
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Yes, 100% attack speed is great. But not on Lee Sin. How often do you get to sit in an enemy team and make use of the attack speed he currently has? He is all about his spell rotations. You're not going to be able to make use of all that attack speed on Lee. It's wasted stats.
As I said to dimb, it's practically useless on Lee Sin. He has a very hard time ever making use of that attack speed. You're simply not allowed, as a melee champion, to utilise that attack speed very well. League doesn't work like that. Lee Sin especially doesn't work like that. They're throwing power into wasted stats.
This is simply false. Ward hopping does not halve the cooldown. Only jumping to an allied champion halves the cooldown. They're also removing the self-shield if he jumps to a ward or minion. So it's now the shittiest version of a Jax Q you could imagine. It's a 14 second, ally targeted jump that only gives you a shield if you cast it on yourself or allied champion. Casting it on a minion or ward means you've used a 14 second cooldown jump with 0 utility or shield. A 14 second cooldown is too long for just shielding yourself. It's a fucking ridiculous change.
Imperfected
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Well, if it radically changes his passage of play in team fights and his priorities in ability usage, isn't that the point?
Like, instead of being a carry-seeking, fire-and-forget missile you launch into the enemy team and then write off as dead/useless, maybe he actually tries to navigate around the fight and get on someone. Maybe instead of goofy triangle kicks he tries to do some actual positioning, and does R -> Qx2 to remove someone from the periphery of the fight and solo them off to the side with his huge attack speed?
Maybe Lee Sin players will have to do more than one money shot and fucking off to go have a smoke. World's tiniest violin over here.
Like, instead of being a carry-seeking, fire-and-forget missile you launch into the enemy team and then write off as dead/useless, maybe he actually tries to navigate around the fight and get on someone. Maybe instead of goofy triangle kicks he tries to do some actual positioning, and does R -> Qx2 to remove someone from the periphery of the fight and solo them off to the side with his huge attack speed?
Maybe Lee Sin players will have to do more than one money shot and fucking off to go have a smoke. World's tiniest violin over here.
PhillipCostigan
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Mister Negative
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please come to NA
PhillipCostigan
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A wild Syndra skin appears.
She was only nerfed in 3v3, no?
PhillipCostigan
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Also, VO for Super Galaxy Rumble:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wYg9o950HQ&feature=youtu.be
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all from Surrender@20 btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wYg9o950HQ&feature=youtu.be
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all from Surrender@20 btw
woaaah, that's so cool. I wonder if they'll reference "believe me in who believes in you" or something like that.
PhillipCostigan
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I love the VO. it's cheesy as fuck and it's amazing.
And best of all it's for a Rumble skin.
And best of all it's for a Rumble skin.
Imperfected
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Who do you think I am?!
PhillipCostigan
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THE FIRE IN A YORDLE'S HEART NEVER BURNS OUT
shieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
PhillipCostigan
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the fuck is this
it's pretty good in game. I like the model, and all the spell effects and stuff are cool.
the fuck is this
I live in an aquarium Syndra.
Not the point I was making at all. You asked why the shield goes to 14 seconds when used on self, I gave you the reason. If it didn't you could self shield and 7 seconds later disengage. I'd be even more obnoxious to deal with than now.
Phillip said:
Hell, I love it just with the pics. Def gonna pick this up. Void Fizz on the other hand looks ugly as hell.
Imperfected
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the fuck is this
It's Nami Syndra.
Where's my Lee Syndra, Riot? She needs to throw chibi Lee Sin's in Resonating Strike animation at people instead of balls.
Nami cosplay syndra (beaten damnit)
In other news Skarner feels good
after you buy Iceborn Guantlet
Oh yes, I can now run Syndra support and pretend that I thought I picked Nami.
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