Stone Ocean
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Zenon already said he made the numbers extreme on purpose so he can test it out. It's not shipping that low to Live, if at all - he's probably fucked on the W end though.
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League of Legends |OT6| My AP Mid Can't Be This Cute
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Imperfected
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To be honest, at the strategic level, your teammates had the right idea.
Fizz has a mediocre laning phase at best, especially against champions with good wave clear and harass like Gragas. You just want to get out of lane as early as possible on him. They took a tower - giving you global gold - and came up to handle the lane, freeing you to start roaming without having to worry about Gragas getting super fed and taking your tower.
The only gig would be if they didn't pull you and the jungler in to take dragon on the way up. As long as they did, you should have gotten enough global gold from that to finish a major item and become a legitimate roam threat, at which point you could have started making plays on the map: ganking top, ambushing whatever enemy champion went to the (now long) bottom lane to clean up the farm and overextended, trying to catch people on rotations through the jungle during blue buff respawn, etc.
You don't really want to stay in lane very long as Fizz. He's not good at it, he's good at assassinating people. Accelerating the game to the point where he can do that (both in terms of items and opportunities) is the best thing.
It still won't make up for the range nerf. Not really. They have to extend it a LITTLE. At least nocturne levels of range.
This saddens me more than I thought. I love Pantheon. I was playing him in the jungle before he got super popular. I saw this coming when Dominate pulled him out in the LCS. Sigh.
Riot does not like the carry jungler.
Not to mention this pretty much kills him in lane. He can't even have TF levels of presence anymore.
i dobut this range will stick
but seriously, i think a LOT of people are underestimating a fast "long range" point targeted jump
its a pretty big game changer
sure its a less obnoxious global for ganking, but for engaging and counter ganking, its fucking huge
Even reducing the channel time to .5 seconds, there's still 2 seconds of "fall" time so it'll still have 2.5 seconds before landing. So it's still not quite fast but it's better.
The range is super small though. It's going to be difficult to do anything but land near the end of a lane in a gank early game.
I'm guessing the end result will be Nocturne range across the board. Maybe a touch bigger if they are sensible. I see the stun nerf staying though.
Stone Ocean
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The W change is probably to make him more like Wukong and just kill his pre-6 ganking.
The one where he can w creeps? How would that kill his tanks?
Yeah this is what I was saying to some friends earlier, I can't imagine he'll get away with another patch without a nerf, it must be coming. Wonder what they'll do though, just lowered damage on abilities or something more complicated.
Wolf Akela
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What's the fastest way to grind to 30?
Stone Ocean
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Monkey is next, no doubt about it. You see that total 480% bonus AD ratio and the 120s CD at rank one on his ult? Watch it go poof
What change are talking about here?
aram's probably.
If I had to guess, they'll nerf the passive resistances monkey gets and probably lower the damage/duration of his ult. The rest of his kit is reasonable.
I've always read it's playing 3s against bots. Wait 7 min or something then push to win. Most xp per time spent.
The gains are kind of terrible. You probably get more out of 3s or Dominion.
Imperfected
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Yeah, I mean there's a bonus for winning and you're just not going to win much more than half the time in ARAM because it's so, well, random.
Probably the most fun way to 30, though.
I've been saying this for a long time now but if Wukong does get nerfed it'll be the free stats he gets off his passive. I wouldn't mind them smoothing out his ult damage a little bit either. I believe it's 20,100,200 with each rank respectively.
My first khaz game yesterday was really fun. Riot will be hitting his ult a bit for sure. Maybe adding some time between restealths.
My first khaz game yesterday was really fun. Riot will be hitting his ult a bit for sure. Maybe adding some time between restealths.
The one where he could jump to jungle camps.
With the mechanics and environmental awareness of 1.5, you'll do fine. The maps are the same (mostly) plus some additions. Shooting is similar, but not the same. A couple of rounds would fix this. Btw, we used to kid you were OGL if you were pretty bad at the game.
Imperfected
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I'd imagine Wukong nerfs will be more along the lines of numerical tweaking (CD and ratio adjustments) than things intended to radically change the way his abilities are used, as we're seeing in their experiments with Pantheon. They'll probably just chop a minor percentage off his ratios and put an extra 10-20 seconds onto his ultimate cooldown.
There's nothing terribly wrong about what he does or how he does it, after all, it's just a question of whether he's doing it too well.
There's nothing terribly wrong about what he does or how he does it, after all, it's just a question of whether he's doing it too well.
Wolf Akela
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Minor Wukong nerfs... heh, good one. Apart from gutted numbers (particularly his ult), I'm guessing they'll remove the armor shred from Q and maybe hit his MS a bit. His ult's ratio has always been insane and it's not difficult to get all hits on a particular target.
E skillshot.
Stone Ocean
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He needs a rework. His kit is too binary for him to get any significant changes without going overpowered again.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/node/13265
rune changes!
Edit: these buffs to scaling runes all around just mean more complex rune pages. I dont really see anything interesting besides the attack speed quints maybe helping some champs jungle faster. Looks like marks weren't touched.
rune changes!
Edit: these buffs to scaling runes all around just mean more complex rune pages. I dont really see anything interesting besides the attack speed quints maybe helping some champs jungle faster. Looks like marks weren't touched.
Wolf Akela
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rip in pieces lifesteal quints
I seriously doubt this will stop armor yellows from being a norm.
Stone Ocean
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Those rune changes are not as extensive as I thought they would be.
Yay, let's fuck ADC sustain even further to make sure only the absolute safest ADCs can hang. Buffing that shit mastery that no ADC should take instead of Dangerous Game surely will help.
Wolf Akela
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Yeah, I was waiting for something more drastic like what they hinted before.
But maybe this is just the initial stuff, since it did say "but in the meantime we'll be implementing some basic changes in the next patch."
Most of the strong adcs rush bt now so I could see other rune setups being beneficial.
Some euro adcs run atk quints and atspd marks.
Health both flat and scaling and maybe even health regeneration look stronger. Return of the doge/vlad?
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prodystopian
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This. I've hardly spent any IP on champs, hit 30 and still have 10s of thousands of IP left to spend on runes. More now if yellows and blues are actually going to be something other than armor and mr.
Upcoming rune sale. Nice. I'm glad I've been saving my IP. Going to buy whatever I can. Maybe even grab an IP boost while I'm at it. Bad timing with the D3 expansion though
As far as what to get, they did nothing but buff CDR runes so it's time to invest in those next. I'll grab some health seals as well if I can afford it. With the addition of 4 base armor to every champ, I can see swapping my support page to health seals and armor quints or something and get some benefit from it. Truth is though, most people will still probably use armor seals and just have a couple more net armor for it.
I can also see grabbing scaling mana regen glyphs. I use a page with half scaling MR and half mana regen glyphs for most supports and some of the more mana hungry ad carries (I'm looking at you Varus and Lucian).
The lifesteal nerf though.. ouch.
As far as what to get, they did nothing but buff CDR runes so it's time to invest in those next. I'll grab some health seals as well if I can afford it. With the addition of 4 base armor to every champ, I can see swapping my support page to health seals and armor quints or something and get some benefit from it. Truth is though, most people will still probably use armor seals and just have a couple more net armor for it.
I can also see grabbing scaling mana regen glyphs. I use a page with half scaling MR and half mana regen glyphs for most supports and some of the more mana hungry ad carries (I'm looking at you Varus and Lucian).
The lifesteal nerf though.. ouch.
Once upon a time flat HP was run on seals, then they were nerfed, which led to the armor seals becoming standard. I can see HP seals being viable now.
The Koreans mathed it out first. You are only supposed to run like three attack speed marks.
well like 9 armor for 72 health sounds like a pretty fair trade, at least mid. not sure against ad. might be useful to keep an armor page if they have like a khazix mid+elise jungle and you don't want to feed them % health
Stone Ocean
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It's a tough choice for laners, but junglers could take those without too much worry, I think.
I could see myself switching my AP/lvl glyphs for CDR on Eve. Same for my MR glyphs on Vi.
scaling cdr is tempting but seems kind of pointless on mana champions since you'll be getting athene's/morellos+blue+elixir.
it's pretty godly on like riven and kat. attack speed quints might be cool on like yasuo maybe
pokey supports might like 'em too, maybe like morgana or zyra or something. sona prolly won't be able to get away with it without being punished tho since her range is so low
it's pretty godly on like riven and kat. attack speed quints might be cool on like yasuo maybe
pokey supports might like 'em too, maybe like morgana or zyra or something. sona prolly won't be able to get away with it without being punished tho since her range is so low
Just to provide some more context, this isn't just a Fizz problem. I use Ziggs and recently Syndra nearly as much (Fizz is my "safe" pick since I carry easier with him vs stuff that doesn't super hardcounter him) and obviously those I mentioned don't have near the mediocre laning phase he does. I didn't know about the proximity to tower exp thing though...that probably would have made a big difference in my level, which was my biggest concern since I have a hard time realistically doing much vs someone with a level or two on me.
I also would not have minded *if* I could have trusted them to stay in my lane to push/guard tower if there wasn't anything in particular going on so I could focus on other stuff, but that wasn't the case (this was a Karma/Ez team so they had plenty of poke/mobility ect). I actually got my first kill ganking their Velkoz support bot lane when they heavily overextended and just kept going around from there (he ended up being my favorite target by the end because the enemy Jinx learned her lesson about staying away from me and he never did).
I just really don't want to get so far behind in levels again when I'm not doing "bad" scorewise, because I just feel like there's no real excuse for that even if my team isn't performing ideally.
This is what stopped me from trying other roles in my early LoL life. Like, I couldn't jungle nor top cuz I don't have the runes for the role. I hate runes.
The scaling CDR are so good. 15% at level 18? That's a blue buff. Not as useful for AP mids as you've pointed out but any manaless champ or jungler could absolutely use that. Late game the jungle item + masteries and runes will practically max you. Elise will love it.
^^
At the very least you'll get your role more often because of the chance of being higher pick.
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