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League of Legends |OT7| She Ezreal To Me, Dammit!

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zkylon

zkylewd
So the the game is saying me I have to do another 10 ranked victories to get a reward, what kind of reward is referring to?
ranked teams probably

for ranked teams you get the same rewards as solo queue plus a pretty ward of different prettiness based on points you get for the amount of games played

so if you're like me and play lots of ranked teams you'll get a pretty challenger ward even if your team's shit stuck in silver 1 forever
 
yea unfortunately i think you gotta subscribe to ogn to get the english vods


i think she was like splitpushing vayne like bjork+youmuus or something

i think she could be a pretty strong trinity force user tho

i want to build trinity force on every adc lol

Yeah before I played her I was thinking TF could be good on her but pretty much every build I saw when I was doing some research lacked a triforce so i decided against it.
 

Ferrio

Banned
I'm loving gnars kit... just wish he wasn't so squishy. Either increase his base range or other base stats and I'd be happy.
 

Nekofrog

Banned
i honestly don't see any place for gnar right now. he does two things, but they are counter productive and work against each other. mini-gnar is fast, mobile, and can kite well. but in the middle of all that you turn into mega gnar, who is now tanky, but incredibly slow.

like who wants to turn into a slow moving low range tank in the middle of running away from someone/at someone.

i don't know, i haven't played him and just don't understand what riot was going for with him.
 

Mothman91

Member
Just bought Kha. I noticed that more players are going more damage oriented build lately. Did he get a change or something? Remember people going like a brutalizer at most then going tanky as a jungler before.

Also what abilities do you evolve in order?
 
how can i play league if it keeps randomly shitting its pants.
Just bought Kha. I noticed that more players are going more damage oriented build lately. Did he get a change or something? Remember people going like a brutalizer at most then going tanky as a jungler before.

Also what abilities do you evolve in order?
they changed his R evolve because it was too good so now everyone's doing the W>E>Q/W>Q>E evolve

they also destroyed his Q damage so you're forced to build more items so you don't just have a kha sitting on elder lizard and still dealing huge %health damage.
 
i honestly don't see any place for gnar right now. he does two things, but they are counter productive and work against each other. mini-gnar is fast, mobile, and can kite well. but in the middle of all that you turn into mega gnar, who is now tanky, but incredibly slow.

like who wants to turn into a slow moving low range tank in the middle of running away from someone/at someone.

i don't know, i haven't played him and just don't understand what riot was going for with him.

Thats the thing is that he's incredible at both of his roles but you have very little choice as to when you are which role
 

Ferrio

Banned
i honestly don't see any place for gnar right now. he does two things, but they are counter productive and work against each other. mini-gnar is fast, mobile, and can kite well. but in the middle of all that you turn into mega gnar, who is now tanky, but incredibly slow.

like who wants to turn into a slow moving low range tank in the middle of running away from someone/at someone.

i don't know, i haven't played him and just don't understand what riot was going for with him.

All 4 of his skills in mega can be used to help escape. Q slows, W stuns, E hops and slows, R pushbacks. Along with being tanky, it's not an instant death sentence.

I like the inconvience of his mega form, i mean that's what's going to seperate a bad gnar from a good one. It's bad base stats/range in mini, and that it's really hard to build around 2 different forms.

The range by far is what pisses me off. If you're up against anyone with any kinda gapcloser it's scary stuff. You gotta be really mindful of where your minions are to use his E.
 

Nekofrog

Banned
All 4 of his skills in mega can be used to help escape. Q slows, W stuns, E hops and slows, R pushbacks. Along with being tanky, it's not an instant death sentence.

From what i saw playing against him they're all incredibly short range and easily dodged.

but he's new and players might just be bad with him right now
 

zkylon

zkylewd
zed curse takes another victim (stronger than vayne, even)

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i think i gotta abuse this meta asap, it's just so easy

also last hitting with ori so fucking hard now :/

i honestly don't see any place for gnar right now. he does two things, but they are counter productive and work against each other. mini-gnar is fast, mobile, and can kite well. but in the middle of all that you turn into mega gnar, who is now tanky, but incredibly slow.

like who wants to turn into a slow moving low range tank in the middle of running away from someone/at someone.

i don't know, i haven't played him and just don't understand what riot was going for with him.
i get the impression that gnar is kind of a reactionary champion

like he's just there waiting for the teamfight to happen and then he just does his thing regardless of which state he's in
 

Nekofrog

Banned
i get the impression that gnar is kind of a reactionary champion

like he's just there waiting for the teamfight to happen and then he just does his thing regardless of which state he's in

so if you're gnar you have a 50/50 chance of having the right reaction to the situation in front of you.

it won't come down to your skill as the champion, it will come down to "do i have the fury/do i have too much fury"
 

Mothman91

Member
how can i play league if it keeps randomly shitting its pants.
they changed his R evolve because it was too good so now everyone's doing the W>E>Q/W>Q>E evolve

they also destroyed his Q damage so you're forced to build more items so you don't just have a kha sitting on elder lizard and still dealing huge %health damage.

sounds right, thanks!
 

Fracas

#fuckonami
Just had a game where a teammate said they were going to feed all game. Of course they did.

Holy fuck I hate this game sometimes. Riot does next to nothing to fix toxicity and it shows.
 

zkylon

zkylewd
Why's that a bug? It probably triggered him to hit 100 and did an ability?
well i wouldn't say clearing a ward counts as "being in combat". an "unwanted special interaction" if you will

i think interactions with wards should only be positive or neutral or else it brings up a weird decision thing like when sona's passive was consumed on wards

you could argue this could be positive in gnar's case if you're trying to turn mega but i think it's so situational it sounds to me like it's more awkward than anything

so if you're gnar you have a 50/50 chance of having the right reaction to the situation in front of you.

it won't come down to your skill as the champion, it will come down to "do i have the fury/do i have too much fury"
not really as gnar is not malphite who just want to combo people.

gnar wants fights to last a bit so he can turn and then malphite ppl.

i think he kinda needs a team built around him, but that's not necessarily bad as that's yasuo/vayne/vlad/etc's thing.

i duno about skill, i haven't played him personally but i've seen my friends do skillfull crap
 

jerd

Member
they changed his R evolve because it was too good so now everyone's doing the W>E>Q/W>Q>E evolve

they also destroyed his Q damage so you're forced to build more items so you don't just have a kha sitting on elder lizard and still dealing huge %health damage.

We actually just had this conversation on the last page if you want to go back and we covered the merits of each there. I've never heard of anyone evolving W first actually. His Evolved isolated Q damage is actually really high and I can't imagine you successfully dueling very many junglers without it. Most pros/streamers seem to agree that Q>E>R is the best way to go but some people prefer W over R as the last evolution. Q and E are definitely the first two you need tho.
 
AppleB McFriday: no
AppleB McFriday: dont report khazix
Wizardoffaith: ily gnar
Karma Electra: report gnar pls
AppleB McFriday: gnar only
KKilo7: kha i dont think you know what report is for
Zigaz: rofl gnar 2/13/0 talking shit
KKilo7: you fucking idiot
Zigaz: I love it
MeganNicoleMusic: yeah were reporting gnar
KKilo7: not only do you cost my lane but ur retarded as fuck as well
Ghost on Bnet: lol you're a toxic rager.
KKilo7: lol fuck you all
KKilo7: silver trash
AppleB McFriday: report gnar for racism or intentional feeding
AppleB McFriday: your choice
Wizardoffaith: lol thanks gnar! I appreciate it have a good day! :D
Wizardoffaith: <3
MeganNicoleMusic: get rekt by silver noob
Karma Electra: i picked the second one
KKilo7: yeah go fuck yourself you bronze ass nigger
KKilo7: no one likes you
Wizardoffaith: ok
standard gnar player goes 2/13 blames jungler.
 
We actually just had this conversation on the last page if you want to go back and we covered the merits of each there. I've never heard of anyone evolving W first actually. His Evolved isolated Q damage is actually really high and I can't imagine you successfully dueling very many junglers without it. Most pros/streamers seem to agree that Q>E>R is the best way to go but some people prefer W over R as the last evolution. Q and E are definitely the first two you need tho.
everyone does that now lol. nobody evolves ult anymore because the invis without the 50% damage reduction sucks ass and evolving W first causes his clears to become crazy fast. it also makes his ganks a lot better because instead of a line skillshot you have a crazy aoe that's almost impossible to miss.

fuck double post.
 

jerd

Member
Idk man I've watched tons of Nightblue and Oddone Kha games and its pretty much Q>E>R every game. Is that a brand new thing?
 

Ferrio

Banned
well i wouldn't say clearing a ward counts as "being in combat". an "unwanted special interaction" if you will

i think interactions with wards should only be positive or neutral or else it brings up a weird decision thing like when sona's passive was consumed on wards

you could argue this could be positive in gnar's case if you're trying to turn mega but i think it's so situational it sounds to me like it's more awkward than anything

The passive is that whenever he attacks, regardless of what he attacks.
 

garath

Member
everyone does that now lol. nobody evolves ult anymore because the invis without the 50% damage reduction sucks ass and evolving W first causes his clears to become crazy fast. it also makes his ganks a lot better because instead of a line skillshot you have a crazy aoe that's almost impossible to miss.

fuck double post.

Its completely situational now. Its not a guarantee go W first. Q first is better dueling potential if you are going to be fighting the enemy jungler. R is 6 seconds of stealth evolved. That is not insignificant.

In competitive when you have a team to back you up you can afford to go W first for the utility but if you are planning on carrying a solo queue game then I would evolve Q->E->R unless you need some wave clear late or something.

Riot has actually made a legit option for either path. You see nightblue, oddone, and amazing all evolve Q first in solo queue.
 
Gnar's passive is not when he attacks, it's when he's in combat, he just gains more when attacking champions.

If you want Gnar to not gain rage when attacking wards, then you also want Eve to not break stealth when doing the same.
 

Ferrio

Banned
Gnar's passive is not when he attacks, it's when he's in combat, he just gains more when attacking champions.

If you want Gnar to not gain rage when attacking wards, then you also want Eve to not break stealth when doing the same.

He gains it when he deals damage to any source, i guess the question is... attacking a ward is that damage?
 
Idk man I've watched tons of Nightblue and Oddone Kha games and its pretty much Q>E>R every game. Is that a brand new thing?

TheOddOne was testing out W evolve Kha for the first time (in his current form) very recently since some pros have been doing it. He found it strong (he was impressed by the AoE slow and commented on it many times) but was clear it was a different style of play (kiting/poking with your team as opposed to going hunting for pick offs).

Here's a game where he maxed W: http://www.probuilds.net/guide/NA/1495208143/60783

The thing about W that I learned today is that it does extra damage to creeps. So I think if you want to go for a farm heavy jungling game it's a very strong max. Obvious you get great sustain with it. And if you max it then you might as well evolve it for the cone AoE.

Edit: He's playing Kha'Zix right now and just explained his view. W is the better max, and the normal evolution should be W. But sometimes you need to go Q evolution for the kills (like this game). It doesn't matter that you evolve Q without maxing it as the evolved form gives the massive isolation damage boost regardless. So you might as well get the faster clear and poke from W max. He also acknowledge that KaKAO went E but "doesn't really care". R is bad.

In other words, evolve for the game you're in - who knows, Kha'Zix might finally be in a state where he lives up to his "evolve and adapt" theme.
 

zkylon

zkylewd
Gnar's passive is not when he attacks, it's when he's in combat, he just gains more when attacking champions.

If you want Gnar to not gain rage when attacking wards, then you also want Eve to not break stealth when doing the same.
maybe

consistency is nice
 
I feel like everyone hates on Yi for being cheap as shit...but now that he is free, I might give him a try. I need at least one other champion after my realization today that I only own 2 champions---Vel'Koz and Talon.
 

garath

Member
Clear evidence to not evolve Q first.

Say what you will, nightblue is one of the best solo queue junglers in NA. That said, he's never been exactly cutting edge in his builds. Oddone does tend to follow the competitive masses as well. Neither one are exactly revolutionary in what they do.

I'm definitely going to try W first a few games when I get a chance. I'm still going to stand by both being effective in their given situations though.
 

Edwardo

Member
I've long been convinced that the Korean system of two equal status teams living in the same house leads to better innovation, and that's where they're often the first to have the confidence to run new champions, items or skill orders. If Dandy comes up with a new build, he can talk to Spirit about it (i.e. someone who specialises in his role) and test it out against him in scrims. Someone like Balls can't really do that - he has to reveal it to another team outside his organisation or talk to players in his team who don't specialise in his role.

Ya that'd definitely true. They also have much better structures as well. From what the players do, to how they are coached, to the management.
 
Listening to both the Korean and the NA commentators I think it's pretty clear that they have a pretty different viewpoint on strategies and stuff.

Also Koreans tend to scream too much when commentating. Can barely understand what they're saying sometimes.

EDIT:Holy damn that KT v Blue 2nd game.

EDIT2: 3rd game. Commentators on maokai vs mundo: Well of course the axe counters the tree. Kakakakaka.
 

Ferga

Member
I'm not going to say nightblu3 isn't a good jungler (I learnt a lot about the season 4 carry junglers from him) but he is pretty far from being the best.

nightblu3 makes good, but VERY selfish decisions in solo queue.

He would rather let his entire team die rather than stay in the fight to tank/die and let his team clean up. Happens at least once in every game I see in his stream.

He would flash away at 75% hp just to conserve his kda when he's playing a tanky DPS champ and let his team die when he was the one who initiated the fight.

This being said, evolving Q first is pretty crappy on KhaZix because you gain nothing but raw damage which isn't really something you really need.

If you compare it to W, you get a massive aoe slow and E, you get to make plays with resets
 

jerd

Member
I'm not going to say nightblu3 isn't a good jungler (I learnt a lot about the season 4 carry junglers from him) but he is pretty far from being the best.

nightblu3 makes good, but VERY selfish decisions in solo queue.

He would rather let his entire team die rather than stay in the fight to tank/die and let his team clean up. Happens at least once in every game I see in his stream.

He would flash away at 75% hp just to conserve his kda when he's playing a tanky DPS champ and let his team die when he was the one who initiated the fight.

This being said, evolving Q first is pretty crappy on KhaZix because you gain nothing but raw damage which isn't really something you really need.

If you compare it to W, you get a massive aoe slow and E, you get to make plays with resets

I'll have to give this a shot I guess, but won't it dramatically hurt his invade and general 1v1? I mean his evolved Q burst on isolated targets is pretty huge, isn't that what you're looking for in an assassin?
 
I'm not going to say nightblu3 isn't a good jungler (I learnt a lot about the season 4 carry junglers from him) but he is pretty far from being the best.

nightblu3 makes good, but VERY selfish decisions in solo queue.

He would rather let his entire team die rather than stay in the fight to tank/die and let his team clean up. Happens at least once in every game I see in his stream.

He would flash away at 75% hp just to conserve his kda when he's playing a tanky DPS champ and let his team die when he was the one who initiated the fight.

This being said, evolving Q first is pretty crappy on KhaZix because you gain nothing but raw damage which isn't really something you really need.

If you compare it to W, you get a massive aoe slow and E, you get to make plays with resets

that didnt what pros plays? always playing secure and that jazz?
 
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