Crab Milk Mickey
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That's true, I just didn't know her match-ups in bot or mid well enough to really comment on it comparatively speaking.
League of Legends |OT7| She Ezreal To Me, Dammit!
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Guhnmystro
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Man, I love the new text in game in the center of the screen. Looks so nice.
assuming that the 400-3000 ping spikes have stopped in the last week, i'll be back to playing regularly on saturday morning. busy week at work.
i'll play some normals to shake the rust off tho.
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Karma's a good support but to really do work she needs the right duo partner, both in selected champion and playstyle. Pair her with an ADC who can assist in getting the full effect of a mantra'ed Q on a target at level 1 and keep up the pressure.
She's atypical as support (or any lane, IMO) because she has to fight level 1, which doesn't suit most ADC champs or players. Take Jinx for example. Jinx's traps synergize excellently with Mantra-Q. The target will blow a flash 9/10 of the time. That set's up the level 2 kill when Karma gets snare. But how many Jinx players pick up traps at level 1? If the two players aren't on the same page, you may as well play Sona or Lulu instead.
Looks good now, looks fantastic with new SR.
Karma's a good support but to really do work she needs the right duo partner, both in selected champion and playstyle. Pair her with an ADC who can assist in getting the full effect of a mantra'ed Q on a target at level 1 and keep up the pressure.
She's atypical as support (or any lane, IMO) because she has to fight level 1, which doesn't suit most ADC champs or players. Take Jinx for example. Jinx's traps synergize excellently with Mantra-Q. The target will blow a flash 9/10 of the time. That set's up the level 2 kill when Karma gets snare. But how many Jinx players pick up traps at level 1? If the two players aren't on the same page, you may as well play Sona or Lulu instead.
Guhnmystro said:
Looks good now, looks fantastic with new SR.
I honestly don't expect them to release it prior to worlds.
They'll likely do it when the season ends in November and "pre-season" begins.
Likely a few weeks after the season ends. People would cry about the new map messing up their grinds to gold/plat/whatever.
Stone Ocean
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Plus Riot is likely waiting till the Harrowing and Snowdown events are over so they don't have to justify to people why new SR doesn't have a spooky/frozen skin for them.
He's really good but counter jungled very easily, so it's a risk to run him especially with laners that aren't watching your back.
In solo q, number 1. He's really only vulnerable before 6, and he requires very little skill for what he can do. The only way you can really mess up with him is building dumb AP items.
Tizoc
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I'd just Tank him up anyways. Abyssal Sceptre's range works with his Ult and most of his abilities. I'd just YOLO grab, then Ult then they surrender the next minute :V
Cloudius12
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Just brought Leona yesterday. I mainly play support, I didn't even buy her til now. Only decided that after getting dumpstered by 2 in 2 separate ranked games. Seriously, she is so tanky even early game.
Wolf Akela
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Cowsep usually has a habit of doing pretty bad early on and somehow start pulling ahead starting around 15-20mins. Some of it is due to his objective control. He takes dragons and barons earlier than most people expect. Eg, I think his items were usually:
- early dragon = madred + spirit stone / vamp scept
- early baron = ~10-20 stack feral + blade + zerk + brut / spirit stone / ghostblade
He usually solos dragon, and usually has 1-2 people help him with baron. If I remember correctly, he usually goes home immediately after 1 buff + 1 camp to buy Madred.
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I'm starting to have trouble laning with Morgana. Can't poke as hard as I want, and if my Qs land it's usually not favorable for us. Sometimes I'm too slow to shield Blitz grabs. I see so many Blitzes in my MMR right now. I still more than make up for up when I start roaming though.
- early dragon = madred + spirit stone / vamp scept
- early baron = ~10-20 stack feral + blade + zerk + brut / spirit stone / ghostblade
He usually solos dragon, and usually has 1-2 people help him with baron. If I remember correctly, he usually goes home immediately after 1 buff + 1 camp to buy Madred.
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I'm starting to have trouble laning with Morgana. Can't poke as hard as I want, and if my Qs land it's usually not favorable for us. Sometimes I'm too slow to shield Blitz grabs. I see so many Blitzes in my MMR right now. I still more than make up for up when I start roaming though.
I'm still irked about that game against Nasus last night. He's such a BS champion if anything goes wrong. In my case our jungler didn't show up until around level 6, so they just camped their jungle on top and pushed my away from minions so Nasus could get his stacks. There is literally nothing you can do late game if Nasus does what he wants for the first 10 minutes.
I'm starting to hate the whole hyper carry, "a game with this champ needs to end before X minutes or you're dead" concept. If you get a teammate that DCs or goes AFK for anything longer than a couple of minutes, the other team immediately gets that hyper carry to start snowballing and it doesn't matter what happens after that. They're fine under ideal competitive circumstances, but with the stupid rage quitters, the DCs, and the feeders, far too often they just get out of control too easily.
I'm starting to hate the whole hyper carry, "a game with this champ needs to end before X minutes or you're dead" concept. If you get a teammate that DCs or goes AFK for anything longer than a couple of minutes, the other team immediately gets that hyper carry to start snowballing and it doesn't matter what happens after that. They're fine under ideal competitive circumstances, but with the stupid rage quitters, the DCs, and the feeders, far too often they just get out of control too easily.
Lone_Prodigy
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Karma support is great. Positioning in Silver is poor so you can easily hit your Q's (just don't aggro minions beforehand so they block it).
Weakness is that you're vulnerable when your Mantra is on cooldown, mobile ADC's like Lucian and Ezrael can give you trouble, and hard CC will cream you.
Tried Ascension. It's pretty much like Dominion (mobile/AOE champs rule).
Weakness is that you're vulnerable when your Mantra is on cooldown, mobile ADC's like Lucian and Ezrael can give you trouble, and hard CC will cream you.
Tried Ascension. It's pretty much like Dominion (mobile/AOE champs rule).
Debatable, honestly. Sustains terrifically well in the jungle with just a Spirit Stone and his bandage toss is a dependable escape. If you find Amumu in the jungle he's more often that not going to be nearly topped off on hp and mana. If the same isn't true for you, there's a good chance Amumu isn't the one whose going to die. The dueling strength from Amumu's E is underrated.
If he was counter-jungled as easily as people say he wouldn't have made it through the early S4 jungle meta with a ~55% win rate across all ranks.
Wolf Akela
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It's either Q or E. Q makes your ganks more lethal and gives you mobility. E makes you sustain significantly better in the jungle, and is stronger during teamfights.
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im sure karma's great against nami or braum -.-
SS/Quill, whatever. Amumu gains more out of SotSW than SotAG. Now if someone want to go off the deep end and overbuild AP instead of tanky that's a different can of worms.
Tizoc said:
Yeah, pretty much. Can even dip his 4th point in a rank 2 W for jungle sustain and clear before maxing E. Hell, might be able to just do whatever you want on him and do ok.
SotSW may improve his clear, but it makes his mid game absolute shit.
I don't see how you can see it's debatable, he gets stomped early game by most junglers. There's no debate. Only reason it may not be a problem is because in lower elos people don't counter jungle enough and at upper levels there's more people watching your back.
Honestly, Silver is pretty borderlined for playing Yi. You can probably get away with it but I wouldn't get in the habit of it. I've found him to be a pretty terrible jungler and I really like hard carry, non-tank junglers.
Amumu is pretty godly in solo queue, damage or tank.
Ghost is Bad
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build tanky on amumu because u dont need to do ap when u have that retarded impossible to miss ult.
I feel like I need to run someone who can push objectives. When running jungle with lee etc, I'm at the mercy of my teammates actually taking objectives and pounding on a turret as tank lee/eve or maokai doesn't accomplish much.
Not to mention all the teams I've been on seem clueless how to deal with splitpushing, so I hope the same is true with my opponents.
I'm going to get yelled at for suggesting it but Udyr is good at taking objectives like early drag. He can easily solo dragon at 6-8 minutes with spirit stone and madreds as long as you switch stances correctly.
No I'm not touching Udyr.
Lone_Prodigy
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Nami vs. Karma is a skill matchup. Nami has a heal but higher mana costs.
Karma shouldn't have much trouble with Braum. He's melee and his E has a long cooldown. His Q is basically your Q.
Udyr gets a bad reputation because of trick2g afk farming with him, but you can have a lot of success going elder lizard and having a presence early.
Disagree, not because that's not somewhat true, but because SotAG isn't some magic bullet that fixes that. As far as tanks go Amumu isn't particularly inherently tanky. Poor timing on initiations will contribute to whether you get lit up or not more than a bit more health or a bit more AP.
The information I've found so far as far as win rates confirm show that *drumroll*...doesn't matter. SotSW builds have insignificantly higher win rates. Would you rather have stronger clear/sustain/objective potential/ganks or better tankiness/protection/warding? If you want to argue that the match conditions you play in at a high level make SotAG's benefits preferable, that's fine, but it's certainly not a truism across all ranks.
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Opinion time.. others may disagree with me.
A jungler has no place split pushing. Which means at no point will you be looking at taking towers solo and that lowers the effectiveness of someone like Yi. If I see a jungler doing that, that's like a green light to take control of the other half of the map. You're also giving up baron control late game if you do that.
Astrong objective jungler is someone that can gank effectively and potentially solo or duo dragon early. Not surprisingly it's the more popular junglers that can do stuff like this:
Pantheon
Kha'zix
Elise
Pantheon is my favorite. Great map control with the ult, has good AD for helping to push down those towers early when you get a successful gank and he's a strong duelist. With proper lane pressure you can extend your control into the opponent's jungle.
You're going to get tower control by influencing your laners with your ganks and your map control, not by split pushing or taking them yourself.
Again, all of this is just things that I've found success with. I know there are guys that swear by tank junglers and wreak havoc on the enemy with it.
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Bonus jungler time. I've recently been enjoying Fiddlesticks. He has a lot of strengths as a solo queue jungler. Good ganks, great dragon and baron control and good dueling potential.
Stone Ocean
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If you're going to play Elder Lizard Udyr, might as well pick a non-gimmicky early game jungler like Eve or Kha instead.
AP amumu blows up carries. His AP ratios are really really good. You're basically a suicide bomber to nuke the enemy team with your giant ult and AoE E. With 300 AP you're doing around 1400 damage with a single Q->R->E. 900 of that is AoE.
He does have a little bit of a rough midgame though. Farm like a beast if you're going to do that.
He does have a little bit of a rough midgame though. Farm like a beast if you're going to do that.
Ghost is Bad
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not play him.
I don't understand what you mean by gimmicky. Every champion has their gimmicks.
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udyr's gimmick is running at people and getting kited.
I 100% agree with you, but I also have gone the regular route and watched my team do horrible and I'm watching jungle yi's carry the other team through splitpushing.
Even input from people here seem if I wanna climb out I need to do some hard carry type of champion. I don't like Yi I don't want to play Yi. But I've played Lee/Eve/mumu/mao ganked up lanes and watched my teammates do nothing with it. I've played tank junglers to try and win teamfights, and just watch my team recall after a fight, or just stand back doing nothing during the fight.
You just need a signature champion that you're super confident on, not even a hard carry champion.
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like lulu.
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