Terbinator
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So what's the Victorious skin then?
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League of Legends |OT7| She Ezreal To Me, Dammit!
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what do you want me to do about it.
if i play at 300ms, we'll lose. surely there are easier ways to lose lp if thats what you want?
That's bragging? I was #62 best Lissandra in the world and #122 Karma when I was in diamond II.
Get on my level.
Stone Ocean
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Morg
Want tips with her? She got me into gold. I just played a ranked with her last night to avoid (even more) decay and went 1/4/24
Syph Medwes
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That magical feeling when you flash, death sentence then flay
I think that graph made me realize that the majority of champions are way too easy to learn. So when a new FoTM comes a long, it doesn't take much to learn them. Instead of saying something like fighting games, where people stick to their mains more often than not because of the amount of work you have to put into them.
NCR Redslayer
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I guess thats because league has 5x as many characters than a fighting game because of the roles so you have to branch out more and it needs to be easy.
Most people in this thread aren't even very good with one champion though.
I think it's kind of the other way around. Most champs require quite some time to learn to play properly, so pros are often put into the position of either trying to learn the new FotM champ, or some off-meta champ. Guess which one is chosen most of the time?
I'm talking about reaching the skill cap btw, the skill floor is indeed low for most champs. But hitting the skill floor is not enough to play on a pro level.
Ferrio's saying pros shouldn't be able to just pick up whatever is FOTM within a week, or else you get stuff like 80-100% pick/ban rates.
On the other hand, the concept of "mains" is really antithetical to a genre like MOBA.
On the other hand, the concept of "mains" is really antithetical to a genre like MOBA.
Kotetsu534
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I think a large part of the problem is the pick/ban phase and the correct meta-game around it. In short, it's very important that your players can play your opponent's best champions properly to have a strong pick/ban phase (and if a specific opponent excels on a weird unusual pick, well, you have three bans before any picks are made to remove it).
I didn't think the game was necessarily balanced around pro gamers though -- and that makes sense considering the extremely vast majority of League players are not pro.
There's no need for you, as a non-pro player, to be able to "learn" a champ quickly or slowly. As long as you're playing games and having fun, what does it matter that you can't play Lucian or whatever FOTM at 90% efficiency? Skill caps only really affect pro players or top-level yolo-queuers.
I think there's ambiguity here. Ferrio isn't talking about "learning" in the sense of being able to preform on a champ at a baseline level, such as knowing their skills or being able to pull off their combos, but "learning" in order to become competitive as them. Because of the amount of commitment it takes to become tournament ready as a character in the FGC, people are reluctant to deviate from what they know. Even if one character comes out as "better" the others, competitive level representation doesn't immediately become lopsided because people can't make the switch within a month.
I think there's ambiguity here. Ferrio isn't talking about "learning" in the sense of being able to preform on a champ at a baseline level, such as knowing their skills or being able to pull off their combos, but "learning" in order to become competitive as them. Because of the amount of commitment it takes to become tournament ready as a character in the FGC, people are reluctant to deviate from what they know. Even if one character comes out as "better" the others, competitive level representation doesn't immediately become lopsided because people can't make the switch within a month.
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
It's the truth. I'm an awful Nami player.
But that will always be a problem, there will always be the "best" choice in any competitive game. Usually the limiting factor is your ability to play the "best" option.
Light fighters will save the meta.
But that's not true, not if there are proper checks and balances put into place. Sideboarding in MTG immediately comes to mind here. Honestly, the fault lies with Riot themselves for adhering so strictly to their "no hard counters" champion design.
You refuse to start E, if you did you could be so much better.
Is Nocturne the hard counter to light fighters?
Stone Ocean
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Yeah, but on the same vein there's not many champions you can say "just don't pick this guy ever or you'll lose every time guaranteed"
No, it's Gnar
MARMESS
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why start e if taking w makes you win every fight in bot lane bazing.
E can let you all in someone who doesn't try to fight back easier while W will be better if someone attempts to trade with you. So, W is better in most cases. E can be good for an E -> Q lvl 2 all in, but it's quite inconsistent and you will be weaker if your opponents actually try to fight back on level 1.
Ghost is Bad
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It's much better in most situations to start with W on Nami instead of E because AA - W - AA does crazy amounts of damage level 1 with Spellthief + Hybrid Pen. Runes. E is good against supports with little trading potential like Leona or Morgana, but generally you want to take W especially in even or difficult level 1s like a Sona or a Thresh since they can easily trade with you and still come out on top.
Also, by starting W with nami, as soon as the other ADC tries to trade with yours, you can W your adc/their adc and immediately they will lose the trade because of the bounce damage/heal.
Also, by starting W with nami, as soon as the other ADC tries to trade with yours, you can W your adc/their adc and immediately they will lose the trade because of the bounce damage/heal.
SliceSabre
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Ever since I got Gnar my brain has trained me to believe that no other champ exists for me to pick.
PhillipCostigan
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I need to get back to playing Gnar
he's so much damn fun. His laugh makes me giggle to myself incessantly when I play him.
he's so much damn fun. His laugh makes me giggle to myself incessantly when I play him.
Orochinagis
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Everyone is using morg and I am still here using Sona and leona
Newt troll confirmed. Who goes E first? It's all about the W or Q if invading.
I just won lane as Nami with a Syndra ADC (but not really, AP) vs Corki/Leona. Jungler didn't even need to come to win lane, so ez. Unfortunately, mid of other team never connected and wasn't able to test it out mid/late game. I guess it can work cuz of broken stun/burst. AD jungler & top mandatory I guess.
Kotetsu534
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E first might be okay if you're with Caitlyn against a lane that's extremely easy to poke at level 1 (say Vayne/Leona), but if there's any trading you need W to win.
Holy shit
If this were really true we wouldn't have pro-players with 'limited' champion pools so often.
Infact, the graph doesn't really support your claim.
I think light is meant to beat dark.
pro players seem to keep a pretty low pool, like luckily for them when something new comes around it tends to push something out at the same time
o shit guys we didn't notice, too much money on our mind.....
I gotchu. Itd be sweet if we carried rango as a team with the khaz head on him.
Then khaz body sits at nexus with his arms crossed.
Plz.
You know sometimes I remember it's bad grammar, and I do it to spite you.
Also I have no idea what to build on nami
End game comes and I'm clueless
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1541633555/38876759
Wolf Akela
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Homeguards brah
I'd go for spellthief instead of coin.
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