I feel like his W is useless a lot of the time...
Think we might ever get changes like that? D:
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I feel like his W is useless a lot of the time...
Think we might ever get changes like that? D:
Lone_Prodigy
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Garen's W is flat and doesn't scale, which doesn't make it that great. He got a buff to his late-game which was his weakness.
I feel like his W is useless a lot of the time...
Think we might ever get changes like that? D:
Maybe. He's not woefully awful, so he's only going to get nudges. His biggest issue is that he's pretty good early in lane, pretty good mid game, then when it's a teamfight game he just does nothing. He's just weird. People agree that his identity is in his spin and his tankiness. Well, you can't be a tank if people can just ignore you. Look at other pure tanks and you can see the issue: he has no CC to keep the enemy on you. No slow, no stun, no taunt, nothing. A silence, but you can just run. I can't think of another pure tank that doesn't have a single once of controlling CC.
Maybe give his Q a .5 second mini stun. But it's targeted, so where's the counter play?
Garen's just funky. He's still one of my top five top laners, though.
Stone Ocean
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Garen's kit is too simple for competitive play. He's fine for most of solo Q but Riot wants him to be the "beginner" character that anyone can just pick and have a good time, so don't expect him to get reworked.
Stone Ocean
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Why? His kit is fine, he works on solo Q, what else do you need?I will cry a river of tears if Garen never gets reworked.
Diprosalic
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I will cry a river of tears if Garen never gets reworked.
if it's your favorite champ, why would you want it reworked?
You guys should play archeage so you can hear my bitching of thieves stealing my trees. Log on this morning to harvest my tree farm, and 2 other assholes are standing there waiting to harvest my trees. This is out in the middle of nowhere in the out of bounds area of the map. Dammit. Swear no matter where I hide this shit someone finds it, hope they get a long jail sentence.
NCR Redslayer
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But you know who is getting reworked? Warwick. And his rework seems to make him better and more fun as "hunter" than is old version. His 2.5 second stun ult will be a death sentence to most squishy champs.
Does Garen really work in solo?
For me he does...
But If I do get to gold, I probably will be blasted for playing him. (Currently in Silver 2)
Stone Ocean
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He's fine until DiamondDoes Garen really work in solo?
If he works for you I would say to just keep playing him and don't worry about it. I like Garen sometimes but I find a lot of the match ups to just be really frustrating. You run into Ryze, Riven, Nidalee, the most popular top laners out there, and the game just feels bad to play, and they all outscale you really hard.
I checked every division and the win rate is low in all of them.
Stone Ocean
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that's not saying much tho
then again winrates are not that good of a measure of a champion's strength as it relates to you. you just gotta play what works for you. that's kind of why i stopped playing ziggs, no matter how broken he was i just couldn't play him and had like a 30% winrate which is not really worth it. also ziggs is really boring
Stone Ocean
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All I'm saying is he's no Urgot.
Lone_Prodigy
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For me he does...
But If I do get to gold, I probably will be blasted for playing him. (Currently in Silver 2)
Hey look, Thornmail Garen!
evil sion is now proper evil and doesn't look like he's out a 90s cartoon anymore sorta
i don't think soda was saying that either
most banned champion in the game tho
You know how sometimes you'll play a game and then afterwards you'll be like "Well, I was Vel'koz mid, and we had Jinx/Sona bot, Mundo top, Yi jungle, and the opponents had this, this, this, this, and...what was that other guy? This, this, this, this, and something. Was it...what the hell was it?"
It's Garen.
It's Garen.
Stone Ocean
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Now that's a nerf
NCR Redslayer
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Riot be like:"You get a nerf! You get a nerf! You get a double nerf!
Stone Ocean
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Seems like Fiora will survive 4.18
evil sion is now proper evil and doesn't look like he's out a 90s cartoon anymore sorta
And that's why it sucks now. Hell, there should be a whole skin line called "Saturday Morning". Saturday Morning Rengar can be Lion-O. Mum-Ra would be who, Karthus maybe? Hell, just rename that one Pantheon skin to "Saturday Morning Pantheon" and you have your He-Man covered. Which leads inevitably to Saturday Morning Leona (or even Diana?) dressed as She-Ra.
Saturday Morning Ez as Jem.
deserved nerfs i think, all three are pretty obnoxious champions
also since you brought her up (was gonna wait for rito costy)
there's still time
also since you brought her up (was gonna wait for rito costy)
Stone Ocean
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Kha is basically becoming the new Lee in solo Q
I wonder if Riot will ever be satisfied with him.
Orochinagis
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Stone Ocean
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Well buckle up then, because I very much doubt that change will be enough to put Yasuo in line.
probably not, much like lee sin and elise they're assassin-y versions of the irelia problem, the shit ton of damage, utility, mobility, waveclear and other stuff bundled in their kits is just too hard to proper balance against the more grounded competition like nautilus or whatever
tho maybe in s5 with like fighter/bruiser/jungle changes the generalist thing about the god tier junglers will end up hurting them, who knows
i feel like s5 will be rough for mages cos fighters and tanks are gonna be back in style lol
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i think they're a pretty reasonable nerfs, the ms nerf brings him to kass-like base ms and the base health nerf gives him assassin-like durability (aka very little)
i feel like at least the health nerf was totally warranted as it fits him as a character to be super frail and compliment it with crazy mobility. the ms nerf also means he'll get his passive less often which again makes him a bit more risky
so more windows of opportunity for his opponents, i'm super for that as his combination of double shields, windwall and insane mobility left you a bit clueless what to do 1v1 against him
i don't think they're being too harsh on him considering how everyone fucking hates yasuo lol
Here's hoping.
i think idea for them is to do for melees what they did for supports
i'm not 100% happy with how supports ended up in s4 but the trinket changes were overall really positive and i feel like the game's now at the most enjoyable point since i started playing
so yea i think there's reason to be excited for s5 if you're into boring champions
i'm not 100% happy with how supports ended up in s4 but the trinket changes were overall really positive and i feel like the game's now at the most enjoyable point since i started playing
so yea i think there's reason to be excited for s5 if you're into boring champions
Stone Ocean
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That MS will barely hit his passive though.
He'll fill his passive like 0.3 seconds later, whoopdeedoo
He'll fill his passive like 0.3 seconds later, whoopdeedoo
Diprosalic
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i get reported for offensive language so often but i rarely if ever say anything in chat lol.
ah that's too bad then
Doesn't have much to do with his passive. The reduced movement speed will make it easier to put on retaliatory damage after he goes in. Add that to the health nerf and whiffing a heavy engage trade with Yasuo while your opponent doesn't is going to hurt quite a bit more than now.
Orochinagis
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Ok I am officially stuck in Bronze II, I win 1 of 5 matches because my jungle/mid or ADC want to kill more than he is capable of and got destroyed.
Stone Ocean
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I know, I'm just talking specifically about his passive. His E speed also depends on his movement speed, right?
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